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  1. NickC

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    Nah Chelsea aren't anywhere near good enough, and even if they added Ronaldo in current form they wouldn't be good enough. With him, Chelsea would realistically have 3 genuinely world-class players in their team. The rest are good, but not THAT good. With teams like Real, Barcelona, Bayern, etc, the whole teams are world-class and are filled top to bottom with players that have a legitimate claim to be top 5 in the world in their position, if not higher.
     
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    watched a couple of matches (maybe replays) tonite. Tot vs Swan and Chels vs Villa. crazy number of goals in the 2nd half. seems like it happens more like that these days.
     
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    Barcelona getting the penalty decisions again, I see!

    They make Man Utd look unlucky, the only thing i'd love to see more than Milan taking them out right here would be the satisfaction of Chelsea doing it in the next round. Although of course, getting a referee who is fair would be a pretty big part of that, which seems to be impossible the last few years when it comes to them in Europe.
     
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    C'mon Fena, you can't really argue with either of them surely! Maybe the first one but the second was a blatant shirt-pull right in front of the referee!

    Milan really should be doing better, they have a rather old midfield (I think) but their front men are young and should get more goals. Maybe they're too much alike - fit and direct. A little guile needed perhaps...
     
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    The first one, the ball was gone and the defender was sliding for quite a while. Messi knew he couldn't get to the ball so made sure he stayed where he was to get the contact.

    The second one, the Milan defender was having his shirt pulled before the incident, so the foul and free kick should of been awarded to Milan there.

    Man Utd are known for getting decisions, but I can't see even them getting those ones.
     
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    Let's not kid ourselves here, Milan were awful (in the first 20 minutes, I don't think they strung more than two consecutive passes together - they practically handed the ball back to Barcelona after winning the ball) and I think they had less than 10 shots on target over the two legs, which simply isn't good enough if you want to beat Barcelona, especially at their ground. Zlatan was invisible, Seedorf is past it (sadly, he's been a great professional these past 20-some years), Mexes made mistake after mistake, the list goes on. I'm no fan of either side, and I had money on Milan, but even with all that I can see the obvious.

    What was Pato's deal, BTW? Was he injured? He only played for 12 minutes, didn't even get a touch, I don't think.

    A majority of their team are too old. They're bound to do something about that sooner rather than later - like Chelsea, the spine of their team is just way too old to compete regularly at such a high level.

    The first one was a clear penalty, regardless if Messi went about looking for a penalty or not. The second one was too, Busquet's shirt was being tugged at well before Puyol decided to tackle Nesta, and here I applaud Busquets, because he simply raised his hand to notify the officials of what was happening, and even then Nesta refused to let go of the shirt. Penalty or not, you've got to be quite stupid when you've got a yellow card, the official tells you to stop doing something and you simply ignore him (and against a team like Barcelona that gets all the calls) that's just stupidity. Nesta's been around long enough (tonight was his 215th appearance for Milan) to know that that's simply unacceptable and dumb. He deserved it.
     
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    I like Pep's attitude. He's a class act. And that stat of 3 Milan direct shots VS Barca's 21 tells a lot of the story IMO.

     
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    I see referees pushing Barça & Messi to artifical greatness again. UEFA = an digrace, an scandal, a outrage, courtesy of cesc gastly!!!
     
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    Unfortunately you're right. If Chelsea do get through tonight, is there even any point in watching the semi-final? Barcelona will keep the ball for 70% of the game, not do alot with it, then wait for the penalties to come when needed.
     
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    Yes, THIS is how Barca have gotten their success, not by being better than everyone else :lol:. There won't be a point because they are on a different planet to where Chelsea are right now, set pieces are Chelsea's only hope of staying in it assuming they get past Benfica which isn't nailed on yet.
     
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    Of course they are far better than everyone else, that's obvious. It's the way they get decisions even Man Utd wouldn't get, consistently, that irks alot of people.

    Chelsea wouln't have to rely on set pieces, they have goals in them from other areas. If Valdes isn't getting Drogba sent off, Busquets getting Motta sent off when they were scared of going out against Inter, the 4 penalties and 2 sending offs they got away with against Chelsea, the way they run after referee's waving their imaginary cards, the likes of Cruyff talking like it's forbidden for anyone to tackle a Barcelona player. Chelsea, Benfica, Madrid or Munich better find a way to put a stop to it.
     
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    2 stonewall penalties and they should have had 2 in the San Siro. Madrid are worst cheats than Barca. (BOTH BAD)
     
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    Don't quite agree with this hypothesis, which undervalues (or ignores) the undoubted brilliance of Barca (and the "70% of the game ball possession - doing nothing with it" line is exactly the same one people trot out about the Spanish national side - and I completely don't agree with that either... they've been the bloody best! :)). That said, I do understand why from a Chelsea POV, you're already feeling slightly embittered or whatever.

    For me Fena, Barca are my "Spanish team" due to the fact I lived out there for a while as a young kid and that experience - the pride and passion and utter devotion that I was soaking up on a daily basis as a nine-year old - and this is well before their "glory years" and the mass marketing and global enterprise that is Barcalona now - well, something of that kind of seeped in, so to speak.

    My slight dilemma is really a simple one, namely squaring the side I love to see and am more accustomed to seeing, i.e., Pep's ludicrously talented, beautifully set up, passing, flowing, unstoppably sublime footballing phenomenon of David Villa, Iniesta, Xabi, and of course Messi etc - with the diving, clutching for imaginary cards, feigning mortal wounds and maiming, amateur theatricals etc side who I've also seen on a few ghastly occasions (especially when Real are the opponents).

    My big hope here is that the latter isn't what this year's Champion's League campaign is what Barca will be remembered for... please god, they manage to avoid Real.:wink:
     
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    Madrid are bigger cheats than Barca mate, they're conduct against Villareal the other week was a disgrace. Pepe is the biggest cheat in football, makes Busquets look like a saint.
     
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    BTW Fena, congrats for going through... bit like hard work at times tonight, but bloody hell - you're in the CL semis!:cool:
     
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    I would love to have you tell me that this is a Stonewall penalty kick in my face in person...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4mUncpN4ak

    and not behind some helpless muppet internet persona...

    dumarse!!!
     
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    Thanks :) Yeah, bit of a flat game really. We did the minimum needed, with the 3 games in 6 days coming up soon the players seemed to move their attention to that at half time.
     
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    Gorecki, not that kind of thread. Unless you were joking..
     
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    It's common for any dominant team to be accused of having bias from refs, other than Overbo I'm not so sure they get any particularly special treatment that other big clubs get, they and Madrid are as bad as each other as Cesc said for that sort of thing and I'm sure non Bayern-supporting Bundesliga followers and non-Benfica Portuguese league followers would have similar to say about those clubs, we all know how United are seen in England for this as well!

    Well if it's any consolation I certainly hope Chelsea do get their revenge against them :), just can't see it happening - though would say the same of any club over two legs against them really.
     
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    Absolutely, we'll do well not to get hammered really. A similar scoreline to what Milan achieved will be respectable.

    I do think they get away with quite a bit though, I know someone who calls them UEFAlona, that made me laugh :)
     
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    Totally agree with this. I'm still pi$$ed about that second yellow they threw on RvP for kicking the ball after being whistled offside last year.

    I much prefer to watch Real as opposed to Barca.
     
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    I think Chelsea could very well win at home, and perhaps put up a fight in Spain should they play their cards right. Not getting my hopes up, though.


    Did anyone see Kaka's goal today? Pure and undoubted class, that one. Ronaldo's free kick, however, was phenomenal. Incredible strike.
     
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    Chelsea will be big underdogs but if they put a quick and physically strong side out they can lean on Barcelona in a way that few other teams can.
     
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    Yeah, I think that would be the way to go. Unfortunately I can't see any European referee letting it play out though, they blow for any kind of tackle it seems, clean or not. It's a shame as there is more than one way to play football, pandering to one teams way of playing isn't right imo. But it is what it is.
     
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    i know that you only have half a brain working, but how does that relate to what i posted?

    Please reply to the point made : DO YOU HAVE THE STRAIGHT FACE TO TELL ME THAT IS A STONEWALL PK


    Dumarse?
     
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    Fena, you're in good company with your assessment of Chelsea's chances. I also agree that I wish they'd let them play. Barca's style as great as it is requires a strict ref who allows allows no physical challenges to go unpunished.

    Mourinho added: "Let me be honest, I don't think the final will be a Real Madrid/Chelsea final. It could be Bayern or Barcelona, I just don't think it will be Real Madrid v Chelsea and we know why."
     
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    Hey Fena, one for you...:)


     
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    I actually think Benfica have done themselves no favours, it's a shame.

    The way they made a huge deal over Drogba's reaction when the draw was made, players like Gaitan criticising Torres and Drogba before the first leg, the way they were convinced they should of won both legs (especially the first one at home). In the end they were 2 goals short, with Chelsea playing the second half on Wednesday in 2nd gear to try and save energy for the hectic schedule coming up.

    I expected alot more from Benfica really, both on the pitch and off it.
     
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    Clearly a penalty. Those shirt pulling incidents in the box should be punished more. What else you got simpleton?
     
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    I too expected a whole lot more from Benfica. As a team that has some genuine talent on their books and in their side, they should have played much, much, much better. This isn't the Benfica that's won the European cup, that's for sure.
     
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    like i said. i would love you to tell me that with a straight face in person...

    dumarse...
     
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    Benfica is a team of idiots who think the referees are out against them. further more, both the coach and the president are perfect ignorant idiots. the coach is the laughing stock of the nation ofr his constant mistakes and misspelling in his won language...

    you should see what "an scandal" they made for this send off - they went for the newspapers, the federation and uefa claiming this send off was unwarranted and exagerated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnoz0KuMEf4


    pretty much they are the kind of team that Cesc the Gastly defends... lying cheating idiots who think the referees are there to allow them to play ballet. not surpringly, given the extreme gayness of ballet... wink wink cesc!!!
     
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    I see what you mean about their manager! He seems pretty strange from the things he's been coming out with over the last few weeks, it doesn't really come as a surprise to hear it's pretty common from him.

    The football Benfica played in the first leg at home was really poor, they just kept going for the long ball. To hear their manager say Chelsea were lucky to win that one and were outplayed was very strange. Do you watch Top Gear at all? Their manager looks like James May!
     
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    Captain Slow :twisted: He's hilarious
     
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    The Benfica manager looks like an ageing rockstar.
     
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    So who's Hazard going to go to? Seems like all the top Prem sides are in for the player who's been described as Cristiano Ronaldo's natural successor. Given his links/the Spurs connection, I'd be gutted if he went elsewhere, but with his recent fawning comments re Man U, I fear the great red-faced one will have him in his clutches come next season. Gutting as that would be, it of course wouldn't be half as bad as him ending up at the Emirates!
     
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    Spurs, Man City or Man Utd. Arsenal would like him, but i'm not sure they can compete financially.

    I'm certain he wants to go to Spain though, if he does come to England he'll only be here for a year or two.

    I'm pleased Chelsea pulled out of the race after seeming like front runners. Why pay £40 million for someone who flirts with every club out there and has his heart set on Spain? We need to build for the future, someone with the wrong attitude and will bolt after a couple of seasons would be a big mistake.
     
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    But what a marvelous couple of seasons it could be!
     
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    Maybe, but i'm guessing there will be alot of younger players coming in over those 2 years. Do we really want one of the biggest players setting the tone of flirting with every club under the sun and using the club as a stepping stone to Spain?

    The next manager will have to create a new identity, but having him would create the wrong atmosphere imo.
     
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    Hazard would fit at United but they already have 3 great wingers who would all want to play as much as possible, think they'll just go for a playmaking centre mid and maybe a backup for Evra and that's it.

    City are dying for wingers but it's not in Mancini's tactics unless it's a 'plan B', which I don't think Hazard would accept as other clubs would make him first choice. Johnson and Milner as two examples hardly even play as true wingers for us anymore and Hazard would probably end up the same, really wouldn't want to see his skill and creativity bottled up a bit with City's tactics.

    Spurs would be a great fit, Bale and Hazard interchanging on the wings would make for a scary attack, would give them 3 top quality wingers as well with Lennon thrown in and maybe Dos Santos getting a game or two eventually.

    Of course this means he'll end up at Newcastle miraculously for 6mil or so when they make top 4 so it doesn't matter anyway.
     
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    only on the looks department. other than that, he is a very ignorant person who struggles to put a correct sentence in Portuguese... :)
     
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    I think there's a chance he will get his dream move to Spain still. They say Madrid want to sell Di Maria, so they will have quite a bit of money to spend on a replacement.
     
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    Who would want Di Maria? He's genuinely one-footed and his only real asset is his speed (and occasionally his shot from distance, I think he scored a 30 yarder a few months ago). He hasn't got many tricks either. I wouldn't want him playing for Chelsea...
     
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    Man. Messi is unreal. Barca are a juggernaut.
     
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    I think somebody would want him. I agree about him not being all that though. Maybe Italy would be an option, Juventus will have money to spend to get their squad up to Champions League level. Inter are looking to rejuvenate their squad, plus they love the Argentinian players.

    There are other options too, Anzi maybe? They love a name, Dalglish likes a wide player aswell. Breaker says Man City need wide players and they have money to burn.

    He's fallen out with the club and the manager over contract issues, so it seems likely they will cut their losses and get rid whilst his stock is still fairly high.
     
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    When I see games like today, I wonder what all the hype about Modric is? Too many times, he's just ordinary.

    Not a bad player but can't see why Chelsea was so hot on him last summer.


    I'd love to see how this Spurs team would look if they were managed by Fergie. It makes you appreciate his aggressive attitude over the years: he's never been one to simply pick up a point.

    Not hammering your boys Ross, just making comments from an entertainment standpoint as a neutral :)
     

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