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  1. NickC

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    I'd rather have Jogi Low than Pep. Give him some cash and maybe have Pep as director of the youth academy or the reserves, and bring in Hiddink as director of football.
     
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    Haha, the Dream Team! I'm sure they'd do a great Boyz II Men at the office Christmas party ;)
     
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    Pipedream Team more like ;)
     
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    It would probably cost around £30 Million a year in wages, but I think even Platini would give us a pass on the FFP for a tape of their "End of the Road" rendition ;)
     
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    So the Community Shield at Villa Park for the first trophy of the season, then Wigan away for the best pies in the league and 3 points to set us off to getting the title back :)

    Hopefully the League is as entertaining next year as it was last season. Would be great to be in the mix at the end this time round!
     
  6. Ross K

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    Transfer speculation is mounting (and what a great fit this would be)... Pullis and Stoke are apparently putting in a bid for David Nalbandian... :lol:
     
  7. Ross K

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    Blanc or AVB?... hmm...
     
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    I'd prolly take Blanc. AVB maybe needs to go learn a few more years.

    Not sure how well Blanc understands the style of play over here. Granted he was a bit past it when he played for Utd and a good deal slower than he was in his prime.
     
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    TBH I personally don't have a clear preference, I'd possibly just edge it towards AVB. Not sure...
     
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    Glad to see the boys get Italy in the next round!

    Looked very shaky in the first half but Wazza came good fairly quickly and should look even better at the weekend.

    I understand the importance of keeping your shape and whatnot but England are boring as hell to watch now.

    I realize Roy's job is to not provide entertainment for me but by the 2nd half I decided to go back to working on my Excel spreadsheet and relegated the game to the background.

    Either way, I like the results he's getting.
     
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    I think he's doing an amazing job with what he has to work with. There was one moment in the first half where Johnson was in a good position down the right and had a tough ball to deal with, he controlled it and it went 2 yards behind him. He then tried to play it in to Welbeck short and put too much pace on the pass.

    We don't quite have the extra quality technically to hurt teams in that way. The players are very talented, but I don't think they've had the technical coaching they needed as youngsters. Players from other Countries have it ingrained in them as kids and it just comes naturally to them now.

    Hodgson knows this and instead concentrates on being organised and trusting the defence, which was fantastic tonight (Terry and Lescott have formed a nice little partnership).

    I agree about it not being too good to watch, as a Chelsea fan i'm used to it though :) I can understand Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs fans might find it tough to take though!
     
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    Hulk quote: 'Chelsea are the current European champions and would please any player and i'm no exception. I'd be happy if the transfer happened."

    On the day PSG bid £43 Million, it's not going to happen. Chelsea weren't happy at £38 Million, so they won't match that.

    I wonder if that means they might go back in for Falcao?
     
  14. Ross K

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    "Wazza came good fairly quickly "... REALLY??!!... I thought he was shockingly lacking in match sharpness. The ball wouldn't stick to him. He seemed very slow and immobile. His touch was dire. And as for that chance he missed?!...

    I thought it was hands down their worst, ugliest display of the Euros. Your prioritizing of the Excel spreadsheet says it all - LOL!
     
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    Loads of people making comparisons with greece and denmark yet fail to realise that those two teams could actually play football.
     
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    Greece could defend and score from corners. That was about it iirc.
     
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    Had a tennis match last night, it was a long one and didnt make it back for the second half as Id hoped. Heard the score at the end and the usual moaners at the club which I took as oath after watching the first two horror performances.

    This morning, cuppa tea in hand and the computer on ITV player I watched it all in the safety of objectivism knowing quite well we had won the group.

    Well, I actually thought it was our most cohesive performance, I thought we played very well. Even in the first half we had a few chances to have made it look very easy, just a few loose killer passes and a lack of composure at times in the last third.

    Ok the goal was over the line but the linesman had missed two offsides one a header that Ukraine should of scored and the other leading up to their non goal.

    The downside to me was Milner and Welbeck, dont get me wrong they had decent enough games I just think we have better options in Oxy/Walcott for Milner and Carroll for Welbeck, they just bring more options going forward. Dont agree with the Milner 'protection' for Johnson scenario, he's a filler infront anyone can do it.

    Rooney didnt have a great game but there were signs of the link up that we need and the fact that he should probably hae had a hatrick of headers.

    On a plus note (sorry Fena) Stevie G was immense, controlled the game and anything that was good for England generally came thro him. We do however need him to let loose now and again and really make things happen in the last third. Thats why I initially plumped for Jones alongside as he's quite adept at picking the ball off the back four, a very talented player imo, it just means Gerrard cant be in two places at the same time, picking the ball off the defenders and recieving it from the player picking the ball off the defenders :confused:
    On the plus side of that tho, Parker played really well.

    Same team but with Walcott and Carroll and we'll beat the Italians.

    After a lengthy bout of apathy, Im suddenly feeling hopeful which usually results in defeat.

    STAY APATHETIC ENGLAND ALL THE WAY TO LIFTING THE CUP !!!! :lol:
     
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    I'm seriously wondering if my view on matches is completely altered from being in noisy pubs?!... I seem to have watched a different match to others - LOL!
     
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    I agree with all of that but the key is that he scored :)

    Would love to see Ashley Young, & Milner not starting next game.

    Thought Gerrard is great but Parker had big problems in the first half.
     
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    I thought we were complete turd in the first two games, looking like they were told what to do and it was running thro the player's brains continually, getting body in position but not really doing anything with the ball. Its easy to get swayed in pubs by the overwhelming feeling of uuuuuuuuuhhhh when something doesnt come off and the negativity. What I liked about yesterday was there was a plan, we stuck at it and the was a certain cohesion in our play. If it wasnt for the rooney miss and a couple of good opportunities other teams would have scored from we could have run out easy 4-0 winners, playing defensively yet decisive infront of goal. I didnt see that in the first two matches, players looked nervous. Thats what gives me some hope.
     
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    I agree with you. I thought they were terrible last night. That is because, i think, they arent very good. At the same time they have succeeded ahead of each of France, Sweden and Ukraine. They must be doing something right. So who are we measuring them against? Teams that may win the tournament - something that could never be said of Ukraine or Sweden - or the also rans.

    If you measure them against Spain, England are technically less adept and don't defend as well I.e they don't keep control of the ball. But we seem to score at least as many goals and our goals look as if they will come from clearly established approaches whereas with Spain it all seems a bit hopeful - although of course they seem to get there in the end. Mentally I think both teams are strong. Spain becaus of their confidence in their technique. England for different reasons.

    What happens if Spain play England? My guess is Spain win 3-1 or so. A little like Germany's win in the World Cup. So which is the really important factor. Winning your group in qualifying or not getting close to winning the tournament? I honestly don't know.
     
  22. Ross K

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    Interesting observations CC. I'd also add that thus far, England, for once, seem to have benefited a bit from that great intangible that every team needs to win a trophy - luck. I wonder if this can even extend further?

    With the proviso that he may still improve radically on Sunday, it's frustrating about Rooney though because he is world class; he is our Ronaldo, our Iniesta, our acknowledged main man; the player the others all look to for inspiration. And though I'm not wanting to directly compare him to them, I would suggest that an in form Rooney is capable of having a similarly galvanizing effect on his team just like Cristiano R did the other night in maybe the most impressive performance of anyone I've seen in this whole tournament. Unfortunately Rooney's showing last night reminded me his off-key performances during the World Cup in South Africa.
     
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    This made me smile. It's off one of my Spurs fan sites and it's about the drawn out new managerial appointment saga...

    I just need closure at this point. Even if we were to bring in Mick McCarthy I'm ready to move on.

    :)
     
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    It's interesting how everyone seems to see the game differently! :)

    Ross and crosscourt seem to see it through the same eyes. Personally I disagree that Gerrard controlled the game. His crosses for goals have been outstanding, balls into the box is one of the few ways we have the ability to score from and he's been great in that regard.

    His all round play and the bread and butter you expect from a central midfielder hasn't been good enough though unfortunately. He hasn't been able to get hold of the ball, disrupt the opposition or protect the defence. Terry, Lescott and Hart were really exposed to it all yesterday and the midfield for Ukraine had a free run at things.

    People are saying we are ugly to watch and are soaking up too much pressure, but if the midfield can't get the ball and retain it, that's always going to happen. Chelsea had to do that when they played Barcelona and Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Fabregas.. and then again with Schweinsteiger and Kroos in the final. You can understand that, but to not be able to do it against Kallstrom and Svensson.. and then again against the best Ukraine had to offer? That's not so good.
     
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    I'm sure things aren't that bad! :)

    I'm liking how things are going with the management at Chelsea. Di Matteo getting the job permanently is fantastic, Eddie Newton has done a great job assisting, now World Cup winner and Chelsea Legend Marcel Desailly is being lined up to coach the defence. If only we could get Zola in to coach the forwards, we'd be sorted :)
     
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    Mcarthy, yes, it's not Roeder but i think i could get behind an appointment like that for Spurs! ;)

    Zola, i wasn't convinced by his manegerial skills but he got Carlton Cole playing well and he scored soem for us the 2 years he was at WHU. However his ability to spot a player and tactics seem a bit short. According to one of our owners, the only transfer he specifically requested from the board (we had one of those director of football types) was Benni Mcarthy. a year, 7 appearances, no goals and a stone overweight was the best fitness he could manage over £7 million in fees and wages for that and they wonder why the club looses money....
     
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    You're right about Zola, he didn't really do too well at West Ham. He played some nice football though, he also commands alot of respect from his playing days so he has something to offer. Maybe a number 2 position would be good for him, where he isn't relied upon tactically or in signings, but he's someone I can imagine would inspire the players.

    Di Matteo has actually been very sound tactically, his tactics against Benfica away and the team he selected (he picked Ferreira who had hardly played all season and Kalou who hadn't since he gave away the penalty against Valencia away) were perfect. The team were sent out knowing what Benfica would do before even they did, it was a bit of a masterclass. I'm delighted to of got him, it's great to have a manager who has the club in his heart and it's more than just a job to him.
     
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    England won't score.
     
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    I wish the pundits with their longwinded previews could put it that simply! :)

    You could be right, my Dad is certainly hoping that's the case. I think it will be 0-0 at the end of the 90 minutes.

    Whatever happens I think it will be close, I wouldn't rule out penalties.
     
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    One of the reasons why the midfield can't retain the ball is because we aren't particuarly compact. That is for the same reason that we have to absorb too much pressure - we defend too deep. We have to defend too deep because our defenders can't play higher up the pitch without a real risk of being exposed. How big a problem this is depends on the quality of the opposition. Much the same could be said of Sweden in their match with France. They defended very deep but France couldn't capitalise. Nasri faffed around to no effect and Benzema looked lost. They both took far too many touches. Riberry fizzed about but there were always Swedish defenders to get in his way. Sweden encouraged France to play in front of them, which is what they did. Then they hit them on the break, benefiting from having an outstanding player in Ibrahimovic to hold the ball up and then play it intelligently when his support came up. We don't have a player like Ibrahimovic which is a shame.

    I tend to agree that Gerrard doesn't control a game. But he does provide drive and purpose. We are a little porous in midfield but probably better than in South Africa. We haven't had a midfielder who could really control a game since Beckham in his prime.

    Big test for Portugal tonight. They have the ability and balance to come through well against the Czechs. Whether they have the mind for it, or whether they think they have done what they set out to achieve in making the quarter finals is another matter.
     
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    I agree about having to defend deep, Terry and Lescott are playing very well so it's playing to one of our strengths. I think we could push up more if there was more cover in midfield and players who can drop back and fill in. Parker can do it to an extent, but Gerrard as you say is more of a driver who looks to attack. The centre backs can't really afford to come up when they know Parker is the only thing standing between the midfield and defence, with a big gap in behind them.

    It is a shame we don't have anyone who can control the game, Pirlo has been amazing this year for Juventus and I fear he will have the middle of the pitch to himself. Give him time and he will destroy you, that's a worry.

    I'm hoping for a Portugal win, it would be nice to see the second tier of teams have a good run in the tournament. Germany and Spain are clearly the best (Holland were up there too before their breakdown). Hopefully France, England, Italy and Portugal can bridge the gap a bit and give the big 2 a test of sorts.
     
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    I think Italy is a winnable match.

    They're good but certainly not great and def not in the category of Germany or Spain.
     
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    Certainly is, in fact having watched some this year i havn't been scared by anyone except our own players!
     
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    The French commentators have decided that the Portugese defender formerly known as Pepe should henceforward be called Pep. It makes me think that their two best players might be the prosaically named Ronald and Nan.
     
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    Fena, others,

    Anyone know the situation on Moutinho?

    Would be into the idea of replacing Modric with him. Okay, unlikley, but perhaps a thought not so entirely fantastical if AVB becomes Spurs boss.
     
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    The problem you face there is that his price is the same as that of Modric. So you're losing a player who is proven in the League and at the club, and gaining one that has no experience of the Premier League. Maybe that would be easier to take if he was half the price, but Porto drive a hard bargain. He's also getting to that age where he really does need to be playing Champions League football if he's to kick on to the next level.

    Is AVB still on then? Last I heard he was about to pull out because of Levy's preference towards Blanc, that and the players coming out and saying how they're not too keen on the idea of his management style.
     
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    Who has the bigger ego, AVB or Eden Hazard ;)

    I thought maybe AVB might have toned it down after his epic fail at Chelsea but apparently not, maybe he should go back to coaching in a small pond with the biggest fish (Porto) and winning on Thursday nights on ITV (Europa)

    He's going to need to take a few more beatings until the lesson sinks in methinks.
     
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    Fena,

    No-one seems to know really. Certainly not the "ITK" sources I check out. An educated guess is we're waiting on France being knocked out before any announcement on Blanc can be made. Could be a wrong though, and AVB has definitely been interviewed and very seriously considered.


    PED,

    Agree. AVB needs to acquire some class and try and change that reputation for petulance... could be a long wait though.
     
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    Blanc is quite impressive. For obvious reasons he is on TV here in France all the time at the moment. He has a measured and realistic approach to things that makes sense to the third party observer such as me. Whether it appeals to the diehard is another thing. I don't think he is popular here. His team doesn't seem to have much unity but that may just be a problem for an international manager with only a temporary command of the players. If it was me I wouldn't want M'Vila, Mexes, or several others in my team at any cost.

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    Who does he play for at the moment? And who does Veloso, the defender, play for? If they are not already in Italy I guess they will be before too long. They look like Serie A players to me.
     
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    Well, this is the French we're talking about.....lol :)

    Could you expand on M'Villa-is he an attitude problem?

    To me, the big jack@$$ is Nasri; he's good but not as good as he thinks.
     
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    Moutinho is at Porto and Veloso at Genoa, so he's already in Italy.

    I've never been too keen on Veloso. Moutinho is a tidy player in midfield though, i'm not sure how he would handle the pace and strength needed to excel at the heart of a game in the Premier League.
     
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    The best thing about the Germany v Greece match at the moment (3-1) is that Germany look defensively vulnerable.
     
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    They weren't at their best tonight, you'd of thought they would of wanted to keep it tight knowing Greece could possibly of been tough to get goals against. Luckily for them it didn't turn out that way.

    On paper they do have a good defence I think, Badstuber is very good, Boateng was excellent against Drogba in the Champions League final, Hummels is highly rated, Lahm needs no explanation, whilst Neuer is a great keeper.

    Did anyone see the Chelsea plans for what they were going to do with Battersea Power Station?

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    Looks a bit strange to me, almost like we're playing in some kind of warehouse, or on a ship with those funnels!
     
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    I think Germany just got caught out a few times tonight. They were so busy going forward that they didn't think Greece could hurt them.

    If mueller and Gomez had started, I doubt they would have missed those early chances that Reus and others missed.

    I like the way they're playing, I'm sick and tired of defensive football from most of the rest.
     
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    I liked that we got to see Reus and Schurrle. Reus has a really stong reputation and it was good to see him play well. Schurrle has had a difficult season where he's trying to find his best position, he did well though and caused problems.
     
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    The Germans did seem more fluid with the speed and movement of those two.

    It won't happen but Ozil would be great in the pl, he's got the size to go along with the vision, would be a nice fit at Utd.
     
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    Much more fluid. But I think the coaches of Portugal, Spain and France will all look at the German defence and think they have a chance. The German defence looks a bit like ours. The individuals can get isolated and may have to defend deep to survive.

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    I think they will get more protection against the better teams, where the midfield will be more balanced. Khedira and Schweinsteiger can shield the defence quite well when they have to.

    Yesterday could be an anomaly, Greece are quite unique in their ultra defensive style so i'm willing to give Germany a pass for that one. Do it again and they will have problems though, against Portugal and then probably Spain, they're both more than good enough to punish any defensive lapses.
     
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    Re the Battersea Power Station site, I always thought that an unconventional stadium design, similar to the Indianapolis Colts' Lucas Oil Stadium, would fit well in that setting.

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    It is on the river, and seen by thousands travelling into Victoria on commutes, out of town, or abroad (from Gatwick), so the site really deserves something more attractive than another identikit bowl.

    A warehouse design, incorporating the four smoke stacks in the corners, and with a much more open roof area (to allow for a natural grass pitch), would make it the most iconic stadium in the country, while also being in keeping with London's heritage.

    Looks like it will be flats instead though!
     

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