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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Feña14

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    The Mother's side of the family will be avoiding us I think :) 3-0 already, great performance so far.

    Bertrand looks better with every game, first chance to see Azpilicueta and Moses starting. Romeu getting his first game in forever, fingers crossed he can convince Di Matteo he should be playing instead of Mikel in future.
     
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    Figures, Villa have been awful this year just needed a nice game against City to score 4..not a great start so far, Fulham away is always a difficult fixture as well so could end up being huge for the confidence of the squad, no wins in 5 would start a bit of panic.
     
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    Ahh well, i'm sure the Falcao to Chelsea rumours heating up again will be just what you want to hear! ;)

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...line-up-45m-bid-for-Atletico-Madrid-star.html

    Fulham away is difficult to predict, they seem to be a team that is a bit inconsistent. If they decide to have one of their good days then absolutely, they can get something from the game.

    I think all 4 title challengers have tough games this weekend, should be entertaining.
     
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    JT decision appears to of been made public, more than I originally thought it would be, but then there is no need to prove it was intentional like in a court case.BBC 'site asks a good question though, why so different to the Saurez case? What about the rest of you?
     
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    They were always going to find him guilty, everybody knew that. Just like they were always going to find Suarez guilty.

    Why even go through an inquiry and stretch it all out for 4 days this week? They wanted to nail him for it, they did.
     
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    Dave, if I understand correctly, I think the Suarez situation differs in that there was 'multiple use' , whereas Terry only said it on the one occasion.

    My issue isn't that they found him guilty but that it all took so long. I also think the deterrent against such completely unacceptable language should be greater, ie, the FA punishments should be more severe.
     
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    So does this mean he did it now? I mean, a court of law had plenty of doubt, but the people the FA wanted to deal with it thought he did.

    The ban they gave him is nothing, 4 games is just a bit of a break really. The kind you get for a red card.

    The FA are crap. They wanted to find him guilty, everyone knew that from the start. They kept it going after the court case, which should of been the end to it all.

    If they're going to chase someone who's been cleared already, they could of at least had the balls to do it right. For a year now they have been waiting to nail him, only to give him a ban of a few games? Pointless.
     
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    I'll be honest and admit that news of Liverpool/man u games offer little interest and as I didn't see the original Saurez comments (live during the game i mean) all the commentators going on about it seemed little use to form a decent opinion.I hadn't realised it was repeated usewhich would make a difference.
    I understand they couldn't hold a case untill after the CPS one had finished, it's just a shame that it took them so long, should of been very much wrapped up before the end of the summer let alone the start of the season, does make them look a bit cumbersom doesn't it?
    Answers to this sort of unacceptable behaviour, what about a fixed length ban maybe per comment? 4 games, make multiple comments in one match it doubles?Happens in multiple matches, up to 12 games and so forth?
    Seperate subject, Tony Pulis has come out with some comments and I think Ivanovic (sorry if it's spelt wrong but the CHelsea no.2 who appeared to be playing up front last weekend,- is that normal or are they really that short up front Fena?) "situation" has highlighted it again about simulation (why isn't it called diving or cheating anymore?)NOw i'm not singling him out but there was some rubbish stuff last week, players are now coming out in interviews saying "well i felt contact..........It's up to the ref......" of course they felt contact they ran at a guys standing leg!
    So post match video referal leading to a fixed 3 game ban with matching fine (given to local charity to the players club) per incident? I don't just mean this for falling without contact I would like to see the players who hang a trailing leg as they run past someone then fall too. I can not see how it can be stamped out through the game without something so drastic.It takes away some of the pressure from the ref in case it isn't clear to them at hte time.Maybe an extra couple of games ban if the win a penalty through cheating or get an opponent wrongly sent off.
    Oh and why was the ruling about refs power never acted upon? Anyone other than the captain follows the ref around to talk to him then book them, move the freekick closer and keep doing so untill they have conceded a penalty or/and learn not to chase him about.
    there thats football cleaned up a bit!
     
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    I think it's a matter of the FA just wanting to get their boogeyman, a.k.a Terry. They made a show out of it because it seems to me that they wanted to go out and shout in the streets "hey, look at us! we got our man! look at how effective we are!" instead of actually making real progress on the issue. If the FA really wanted to send a message, they would have sentenced him on day 1 and let that be the end of it. This is a purely political move and JT just happened to be in the middle of it. Here in America we call these kinds of actions "Grand-Standing", which means that an entity, group, or person does or says something purely to win political brownie points or to make a hollow point which makes them look good and the other guy bad.
     
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    I think that's a good way of putting it. It's no secret that the FA aren't big Terry fans. They were going to find him guilty whichever way they could.

    Ivanovic or Torres? Yeah, i'd probably take Ivanovic if i'm honest :)
    I remember his winner against Napoli last year, he smashed it in from 12 yards. He's a beast in the air too, he'd probably get more than Torres!

    As for him diving, hard to say. There was a little bit of contact but it wasn't a penalty. Gerrard against Sheffield Utd a few years ago, opening game of the season, he went down because he saw a defender coming at him and he anticipated contact. Nobody thought it was a penalty and called him a diver, but ex referee's afterwards said something along the lines of anticipating contact will be made is enough for a foul. I don't think it's a good rule at all, but there you go.

    He also said Oscar dived and went into stupid comments about him being from Brazil, which he should of got in trouble for really. The defender actually got his arm across Oscar and it probably was a penalty, although hard for the referee to see.
     
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    Whilst I agree with you largely, nothing takes away from the fact that what Terry said was totally unacceptable in 2012, and action has to be taken against such repellent, offensive, moronic, repugnant behaviour.
     
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    Does anyone know EXACTLY what Terry said, or are we just going off Ferdinand's testimony?

    And I agree, racism and racist behavior shouldn't be accepted in any circumstance, but it does happen and more often than not (atleast in my country) it's often blacks abusing whites, but because they're black they get a free pass to act and speak as they please.

    Which all begs the question, why is he even considered black? I've seen many a person with MUCH darker skin who isn't considered black. Obama has darker skin than he does and he's only half black. I'm not trying to bring race into this, but it's like when one of my black friends calls me the N word, I choose to not be offended because I'm not black, even though I have family who are African and family who are African-American.

    And when people insult me and resort to low-blow tactics, I choose to be the bigger person by not stooping to their level, and I choose to not be a snitch either.
     
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    And that's where there is a problem. You're making out that what Ferdinand said is fact, even though after the game he was shaking hands and laughing with Terry because he hadn't heard anything. It was only when he heard that others might of read Terry's lips that he started to feel hard done by.

    It's not right that someone can be cleared by a court of law, but found guilty by someone like the FA who are known to have it in for Terry and were always going to find im guilty, whatever the evidence. An independent court of law didn't convict him, but a pannel appointed by a somewhat corrupt organisation finding him guilty means he is? :) Yeah, not quite.
     
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    I remember the Gerrard one, don't care much for him after that FA cup final in '06, they should probably ban him for 10 games actually, to make a statement as it were.
    Ivanovic didn't look bad up front, just for a decent sized bloke seems a bit wiling to go to ground, I am struggling to think of another way to get it out of the game TBH, can't expect the ref to get them all right so maybe video (after the game, an in match review would prob btake too long) is the only way. Did he really say that about Oscar?The anti diving thing is the first thing i think i've agreed with him on, though he is above Ken bates, Neil Warnock and Dave Whealan on my fave footy people list!
     
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    To the bold bits, the FA charge it seems only requires you to say the things, which Terry said he did (I think I read somewhere). The video footage of Terry that they lip read, I think Ashley cole walked infront of him (across the camera vision i mean) when was that , after Ferdinand had been told what he'd said?IF so who is supposed to of told him and why was he repeating it?
     
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    On a totally unrelated note it seems that Steve Keane has resigned at Blackburn. Can't say I'm not surprised.
     
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    Haha, ban Gerrard for life I say :)

    He did talk about Oscar being from Brazil when he talked about him diving. With how sensitive everyone is at the moment and people being on their best behaviour, generalisations and stereotyping a kid starting his first game in the League isn't a good move. Using derogatory remarks about someones race or Nationality are equally bad in my eyes.

    Oh right, so the context means nothing when it comes to the FA? Not really sure how that works! I know it was a fan at the game who reported it to the police, not sure if one of them asked Ferdinand if he heard anything.
     
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    Re Terry I think it boils down to his explanation or his defence of calling Ferdinand a "black ****" as being a sarcastic comment. It has since been argued that this is maybe a form of "unconscious" racism. Any way you want to put it though, it's racism, and can't be tolerated in this day and age... or can it?

    I honestly don't have sympathy for JT, because aside from this, which just totally puts the icing on the cake, there's the shagging off his team mate's missus; the way he commandeered that England press conference in the World Cup in S. Africa and decided to install himself as de facto England spokesman/leader, etc; that ridiculous needless kick he handed out in the CL semi against Barca; and so many dumb-arse incidents you lose count.

    As a player he is absolutely great, no doubts there whatsoever, but character-wise he does seem to be a little, er... flawed.
     
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    I think Meags might disagree with the first bit but, yeah if we can get away with it!
    I don't think context does matter to the FA charge, but it is their game and their rules. As Ross says good player but as with many who enter this profession and we expect them to be role models, they've spent so long becoming pro footballers their "personal skills" never develop and they are often little more than big children.Sadly plenty of examples litter the game over the last few years JT aside, Woodgate, Richardson, Bowyer, Marlon King have all done things which should of earned them very long bans.
     
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    Well done Chelsea today. They bossed the middle of the park.

    I think we suffered with Diaby being pulled off but Torres was fantastic today and he totally pwned Koscielny for that first goal.

    Wished Per had been playing instead of him since he was at fault for both goals.

    Interesting that both Carzorla and Hazard were not at their best today but Mata took up the slack and dominated.

    Ramsey was poor and I'm counting the days til Wilshire returns. The Ox is up to it at the moment to play in the middle.
     
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    LOL Mata killed Arsenal. I thought Torres had a good game as well.
     
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    Unconcious racism? His defence in court was that he used them in a denial. As i've said, if you're in a noisy bar and someone thinks you said something, asks you if you did, you deny it.. but that doesn't matter, you're still a racist? Not sure how that one works.

    As for the other things, Bridge is the only one who says Terry slept with his partner. Both of them still deny it to this day, nobody knows for sure. The World Cup, England had looked like they lacked leadership in a horrible 0-0 draw with Algeria. Gerrard was so poor as captain in the World Cup. Terry knew something had to be done to try and get the team to spark something, he did what was needed.

    We saw today with Arsenal how lack of leadership on the pitch cost them, nobody had the pressence or balls to organise the defence from set pieces and they lost the game. I think it's hilarious he get's stick for standing up and challenging his team to join him in salvaging a World Cup. If he had of sat back and watched it all fall apart he would of got destroyed too.

    People don't like him, fair enough. Some of the things they see as facts about him are a little bit strange though really.

    We were actually excellent! I was surprised.

    The pressing from the front 4 was like watching Barcelona, the way they kept winning the ball back time and time again. To be able to disrupt one of the best passing teams in the world the way we did was great. I think Oscar was very good again, the way he's stopped Pirlo and Cazorla in only his first few games is a great sign.

    Mata was incredible again, I said earlier in the thread how Hazard has been getting all the attention, but Mata has been head and shoulders above him.

    Mikel decided to have one of his great games too, if only he could do that 75% of the time, not just the 25% he does at the moment.
     
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    Fena,

    I'm sorry but your state of denial over the grotesque manifest personality defects re a certain J. Terry leaves me no option other than to post the following. Please take your Chelsea glasses off just for once and take stock of this gobsmacking inventory... Posted in jest Fena but... come on!:)

    The John Terry controversies – a complete list

    By gareth mcknight on February 6th, 2012

    John Terry on his day is one of the best central defenders in the Premier League, and certainly an important player for Chelsea and England.

    However, the 31-year-old is in danger of missing out on Euro 2012, after being stripped of his nation’s captaincy due to the ongoing allegations of racism against the Barking-born man. This, for sure, is not the first controversy to blight Terry’s career, as the following rap sheet shows.

    Fined two weeks wages for drunkenly mocking American tourists in Heathrow Airport in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of 9/11.
    Charged with assault and affray after a confrontation with a nightclub bouncer in January 2002, Terry was suspended from England duty and subsequently missed out on the 2002 World Cup. He was later cleared of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, unlawful wounding, possessing a bottle as an offensive weapon and affray.
    In February 2002 Terry was caught on CCTV urinating into a beer glass and dropping it on the floor of an Essex nightclub.
    Fined £60 for parking his Bentley in a disabled bay.
    In 2004, Terry was reported to have gambled up to £40,000 a week on horse and dog racing with Wayne Bridge and Scott Parker.
    Sent off against Tottenham in November 2006 at White Hart Lane, and accused of racially abusing Ledley King. Questioned the integrity of referee Graham Poll, and was later fined £10,000 for inappropriate conduct.
    Before marrying Toni Poole in 2007, admitted to cheating on his partner up to eight times. Jenny Barker, 17, claims that Terry cheated on Poole with her in a public car park.
    Investigated by Chelsea and the FA for reportedly accepting a £10,000 bribe to show a reporter around the London club’s training ground without permission in 2009.
    In 2009 the centre back’s father Ted Terry was filmed allegedly selling cocaine to an undercover reporter, months after his mother, Sue, and mother-in-law had been cautioned for shoplifting.
    In January 2010 Terry was alleged to have had a four-month affair with Wayne Bridge’s girlfriend Vanessa Perroncel. Bridge was deemed as one of Terry’s best friends, and Perroncel was the mother of the left back’s child. Fabio Capello stripped Terry of the England captaincy due to the scandal, handing it to Rio Ferdinand.
    Accused of racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand in a 1-0 defeat for Chelsea at Loftus Road in October 2011. Investigated by the FA and police, Terry will stand trial in July 2012. Stripped of his country’s captaincy for the second time.
    Terry may well look back at the above list with shame and regret once his playing days are over, as the constant controversies in his life have taken away from his ability on the pitch.


     
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    ^^ also he spit on Tevez in Champions League final though wasn't caught.

    Anyway brilliant win over Fulham, Barry really made the difference in midfield and kept the ball moving in a way we haven't been doing so far this season. Dortmund apparently had a big win today as well so will be a battle.
     
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    Three-two win away at Utd... oooooooooooh yes! :)
     
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    First time Spuds have won at OT in my lifetime. Someone check the temperature in hell! :shock:
     
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    All three parties - Venkys, Kean and the Blackburn supporters - were at fault for what was going on there. Venkys for being clueless about football, Kean stabbing Big Sam in the back and the Blackburn fans for being utter morons. One of them called his resignation 'liberating'. How small minded can you get? It's not like Colonel Gaddafi was in charge.
     
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    great win mate, very happy last night.......watched Liverpool run riot and tbh we got the rub of the green for a change, hopefully thats a springboard now for an unbeaten run for the rest of the season :shock:

    Still making silly mistakes at the back which has cost us in every game this season so far......skyrtel was great last season, he's been a bit dodgy so far, as has Reina.......Sahin tho yesterday was quality!
     
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    That's the truth. I have no idea why Venkeys bought the club if they don't intend to actually run it efficiently. Kean was in over his head and played awful football, and had them relegated. I don't blame the supporters as much simply because they probably felt like their club was being dragged through the mud and rightly so.
     
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    It is a bit curious isn't it? ^^ One presumes they knew what it costs to run a club when they bought it.

    As for the JT saga, hopefully it's now over, can't see Chelsea doing anything more, sadly being on tele and being a solid defender doesn't make them a good person to be looked up to. The case should never have gone on this long and should of carrried more of a fine than what I would imagine must be about a one week pay cheque for JT. Hopefully from now on he'll only appear on the back pages.
     
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    Simon Barnes has quite a good short piece on Terry in today's Times.
     
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    So last week Mourinho gave an interview where he talked of his love of Chelsea, him always being a "London Blue" and wanting to be back in England.

    Today he said how he wants to face Ferguson again in the Premier League, sooner rather than later. Now he talks about his friend Abramovich and how it was their great relationship that got him Essien on loan

    http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/mourinho-friend-abramovich-helped-me-steal-essien

    Should Di Matteo be worried?
     
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    NO i imagie he has a huge clause for being sacked or removed for no reason in his contract!
     
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    That just means Mourinho still plays Pro Evolution Soccer.
     
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    Lucky, lucky City! Dortmund deserved all 3 points!
     
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    Second best all night and then gifted a penalty for a handball that Subotic could do nothing about.
     
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    Ahhh! Those horrible blue kits and the crappy badges, not good.

    As for City, they've not looked good all season so far. They always seem to steal it in the end like all good teams do, but yeah, their general play hasn't been very impressive. When Man Utd grab a late goal, it's usually as a result of wave after wave of pressure and it always looks like they will score, City just get them from nowhere it seems.
     
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    I just watched the extended highlights of City tonight. Breaker has been a bit critical of Kompany this year, i'm starting to see what he means. Last year he was incredible, but he's not looked right this year for some reason.

    I thought Gundogan was amazing for Dortmund, he's a player i've mentioned here for the last couple of years, before he went to Dortmund. They got him to replace Sahin in the deeper playmaking role, he's still learning after being converted from an attacking midfielder, but he's got it all I think.
     
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    I'd take Ilkay Gundogan to Chelsea in a heartbeat. The fact that he can play almost anywhere in the spine of the midfield says a ton about him. He kicked ass left and right today. Great player. Am I the only one who saw a bit of Ballack in him?
     
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    I think he's more mobile than Ballack, he's 5'11 whilst Ballack is almost 6'3. They do have the same kind of style though, I agree.

    I miss Ballack. My Dad always used to point out how Chelsea used to play back then, we got alot of stick for being physical and ugly, but to those who payed alot of attention, there were so many passing options and we did used to keep the ball better. Obviously having Ballack and Makelele helped there, Mikel and Ramires or Lampard doesn't have the same effect.
     
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    Back then? That was only a few years ago surely?
     
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    5 years is a long time in football! :) back when we were the best team in England, the team was totally different, Mourinho was at the club still etc..

    If someone had the ball, there was always a pass available for them. It's a basic thing really, something you are taught as a kid. I don't think we do it as well as we could do now.
     
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    Five years ago Mourinho was gone.
     
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    He left 5 years ago, yes. He was still there for the majority of 2007 though, which I consider to be 5 years ago :)

    The game against Barcelona away in that season, where Lampard chipped Valdes from level with the corner flag always sticks in my mind. Whoever had the ball in midfield always had someone to pass to, Ballack, Lampard, Makelele etc.. in that game. Compare that to how few options our players had against Barcelona last year, it's quite a big difference.
     
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    I think you're forgetting that the Barcelona of 5 years ago is vastly different to the Barcelona of today.
     
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    Xavi, Ronaldinho at his best, Messi, Deco and Iniesta? Oh and they were defending Champions League winners at the time.
     
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    And Arsenal were defending CL finalists. Yes, five years is a long time! :)
     
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    I contest the best team in England bit as well. 6/7 years ago, then yes, but five years ago Ronaldo entered the demi-god mode which he hasn't come out of yet.
     
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    5 years ago we were the two time defending league champions, it might of been the latter stages of it, but still the team to beat at the time.
     
  50. SempreSami

    SempreSami Hall of Fame

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    Five years ago around now you'd lost the league, had sacked your most successful manager evar and got bummed at Old Trafford.
     

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