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  1. Feña14

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    Ferdinand would still be trying to get to the ball now, it's like he has velcro on the bottom of his boots when he tries to run. Torres would of got there first.

    As for the minimal contact, Young went down under minimal contact too. At least Ivanovic jumped and was trying not to make contact, Evans was the one who initiated it with Torres.

    Rooney should of been sent off also, Ferguson had to take him off because he had already pushed his luck.
     
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    Should of could of would of

    Ferdinand might be slower than he used to be but he's not at John Terry levels of sluggishness.
     
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    And should the roles had been reversed, you wouldn't do the same? Come on dude, that's the nature of following sport in general.

    I agree that Mikel is sh*t, Luiz had the misfortune of being in the proverbial wrong place at the wrong time.
     
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    Just on the second Torres incident - and I only saw this on TV - my first impression was that Clattenburg must have thought he had made a mistake with the first incident - in other words that he only gave Torres a yellow card where it should have been red - and decided to rectify the error. But looking at the second incident again he did seem to hesitate when he saw that it was Torres. So it may be that he had mixed feelings about the red card. Highly controversial in any event.
     
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    This was a game I was at. I didn't think it was ruined by the refereeing or even determined by the refereeing save in a very narrow way with the Arteta goal. I agree that it was football as a non-contact sport but that seemed to me down to the players who had evidently signed a non-aggression pact.
     
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    Probably, but then I'm not keen on jumping on referees for being 'corrupt' because they've messed up a few decisions. In the film The Referees, Howard Webb's assistant Mike Mullarkey looks absolutely devastated during post-match analysis when he sees that he got an offside call wrong. I'm sure Andre Marriner might feel the same when he sees Suarez's hatchet job on Distin's achilles tendon.

    I prefer to measure it in terms of luck, hence why it was so funny to see it desert Di Matteo and David Luiz last night.
     
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    Spot on. It's a bit of an unholy mess.
     
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    I know what you mean but I can't remember a time when it hasn't seemed like a pantomime. There have always been larger than life villains, Peter Pans, ugly sisters, and any number of evil looking characters who make you shout "he's behind you". And that's just the managers. In recent years we have added a costume drama element because so often, as in Inspector Alleyn, when the dust settles it will be the foreigner from Viera to Torres who is the villain of the piece. As PureAlph4 says it is all escapism.
     
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    But then there's also elements of football culture which I don't feel sit well in a social context these days. Diving and playacting players often get likened to 'playing like girls', which is a load of rubbish considering there's virtually none of that in the women's game.
     
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    "anticipating contact" is a phrase I really hate, every so often I start to think I could put up with Neville on tv then he starts up on that after the game yesterday.
    I saw the super slow motion close up and Evans did catch Torres, so it was a fould, however what it looked like at full speed was before contact torres jumped at/over evans flailed a leg in the air and rolled around like a gymnast afterwards, it's not hard to see how the contact was missed. The yellow card was for simulation, which it's hard to argue he didn't do, shame it was his second card but (and i missed it on tv) but many seem to think he shouldn't of been on the pitch anyway by then..

    Maybe the refs should wear a small camera on them so we see what they see.REF CAM, we could watch it on the red button. What i would like to have is what they do i think it's the bbc for rugby, you can choose your audio and the refs' microphone is one of the options, it's great as you can hear what is going on with decisions etc.
     
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    We're going to get hammered at OT on Saturday.
     
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    I think the FA and people investigating what he said will find a way to stop it coming out. Can you imagine the controversy it would cause? To have a referee using abusive language towards two player, based on both nationality and race would be an even bigger story than the Terry case.

    I've heard people today play devils advocate over the possibility of the game replayed if he is found to of said what he has been accused of. It's certainly an interesting theory, having a referee being shown to not be impartial, i.e controversially sending off a Spaniard after allegedly using derogatory remarks towards their Nationality in the game is as serious as it gets.

    That's why I think it is unlikely we will ever know what he said, there are just too many problems to come out of it if he is found guilty.
     
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    If he said what he is supposed to have said I don't think the FA has any choice but to act against him. It would be interesting to know how many Premiership referees insult players.
     
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    Probably. Arsenal sometimes show up to United and pass them off the park but somehow loose. My only hope is that RVP gets routinely booed every time he touches the ball.

    Agree 200%.

    That's telling it like it is. If he's guilty, then the FA will have a lot of explaining to do, followed by a lot of soul-searching. Too bad that kind of thing won't come to light.
     
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    Indeed it won't, although the police are now involved so maybe they will find him guilty. If they do then that would put the FA in a difficult position. I said when Terry was cleared in court that the FA would still find a way to find him guilty, this time they will find a way to let their man off.

    Apparently Mikel confronted Clattenburg over what he said after the match and it got a bit heated, Terry was apparently the one who stopped it getting out of hand, funny!
     
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    I shiver to think how United are going to bomb down our left flank and whip the ball in. Cole got shown up on Sunday, and we've got Andre Santos!

    As I mentioned earlier in the season, I fear this is the game where we will be found out by the quick counter (the way United have punished us time and again). Vermaelen and Mertesacker quite often hold the line very high up the field when we have possession, and United will look to exploit that. It could be a match for Koscielny, for the extra recovery pace.

    Probably another frustrating match where we look fairly impressive, have plenty of possession and a few good chances, but nevertheless lose by a couple of goals.
     
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    You are too pessimistic. United are good at their best but don't grip a game well enough. Arsenal have more strengths than their game suggests. They don't look like scoring many goals but that isnt the end of the world away at United.
     
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    Steven Gerrard on Everton: "Long-ball team who play like Stoke"

    Yes! I completely agree, and furthermore, they've played like Stoke for years and years. Ever since Joe Royles 'Dogs of War' Everton side I've got to be honest, I've always really disliked them. I'm not a huge fan of Moyes either, who everyones seems to rate so highly, or certainly the style his sides adopt. Glad he didn't come to Spurs.
     
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    Agreed, we do better when teams "come at us". We don't have to worry about Utd sitting back at OT.
     
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    'fro-llaini's better than any of their midfield.
     
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    Stevie Me's entire game consists of long balls, questionable 'hard' tackles, and hit and hope volleys from outside the box. Would be perfect for Stoke.

    Would agree with him in years past but Everton play some decent stuff now, Baines/Mirallas/Pienaar/Fellaini/Coleman all look to play it on the floor first and do a pretty good job of it. When they can't do that they have the option of long balling to Fellaini who is brilliant in winning them, and really any team would love to have an option like that.
     
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    Joe Allen, Sahin and Lucas are quality tbf.
     
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    The FA already got their man, so they're going to let Clattenburg off without a slap on the wrist, let alone an actual punishment. They wouldn't want to **** off Fergie, to come down on his newest signing like that.

    Everton are a much better outfit than Liverpool and have been for a while. Fellaini could walk into any starting XI in the league, and practically any team in the world save for Barca and Real. Can't say the same for Liverpool.

    Sahin is quality. Lucas is s*it. The jury is still out on Joe Allen although I haven't seen anything special in him in the times I've watched Liverpool.
     
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    What's more worrying is Arsenal losing 4-1 to Reading. At Half Time!?
     
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    I think it's really damaging for the League. Players will go back home on International duty and talk to their team mates, maybe even give interviews. The things they have to say about what happened could stop talented players coming here to play, if it's true, that's not good!

    As for Lucas, yeah he wasn't good for a long time. He was great last year before his injury though. Will be interesting to see if he gets back to that level when he gets his fitness back. As for Allen, I think he's one of those players who never really catches the eye, but does alot of good things. He just plays the simple pass, makes a few tackles etc.. He's kind of like glue I suppose, every team needs one.
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20141078
    I see the police (rightly) are getting involved and they mention racist comments in that report, if it's true, punishment like Saurez & Terry face recently is i feel necessary but what's that a week or two wages and 4 -8 matches off? Is that enough, can he come back from that?
     
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    No, if it's true I think he will be gone for good. Players saying things is bad enough, but at the end of the day, referee's are there to be impartial. Alot of players have pasts, violent conduct, things away from the game, even prejudices they have. To have a referee hold a grudge against players from certain Countries or different races is a whole different thing.

    As I mentioned, he said derogatory things about Spain, then wrongly sent off a Spaniard. That's alot worse than a tweet, or players going head to head and saying something in the heat of the moment.
     
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    Like a cat toying with a mouse, we were just trying to make it interesting. Koscielny is going for the OG record so we wanted to take care of that first ;)

    AW has been holding Chamakh in reserve for this very moment for the last two years....lol
     
  31. Cesc Fabregas

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    That United banner is class.
     
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    Penalties all over the place!

    Also, lol Liverpool. Remember when Rodgers left Swansea to win trophies with that lot?
     
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    BBC 'site today is saying he wanted a full case if CFC didn't make an official complaint, that's a pretty ballsy move to make if you did do it, I see that the 4 officials are mic'd up to each other, i wonder if it's recorded anywhere?They are saying Mikel went to their room after, I as you say can't see how he'd come back to any sort of level of ref'ing.I know there is little respect shown but it'd be even worse after this, if it's not true, there'll be a field day with Chelsea won't there. (I'm not saying they've made it up, I can't see what they would have to gain by doing so either)
    Theatrics should be a yellow card, even if there is contact making it look more than it was is simulation we can't moan about the refs not booking dives then when someone does (even if he was wrong) jump on him for it.
    Video reviews for all theatrical dives after the match with 3 game bans handed down for guilty parties. Love Phill Nevilles' dive, brilliant!
     
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    Yeah, they seem to be confident. The club have taken alot of time to make sure there is enough evidence to prove it and are going ahead, so they must be sure. I'm hearing they may drop the insult towards Mata though, although they have witnesses, there isn't any footage of that conversation, there is of the one involving Mikel, that's what they're saying.
     
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    David Gill association assured slur its ok to lose a mickey mouse cup game in exchange for howard webb to be at OT saturday.

    What will be the controversy saturday? RVP trip over his own shoe lace and gets a pk awarded? :mrgreen:

    Knee jerk time....9 games into the season and a mickey mouse cup defeat
     
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    Whinge whinge whinge whinge.

    Was it a mickey mouse cup last season?

    (He could transform the club given the right backing, mind.)
     
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    Yup. Just imagine Liverpool chief executive sits on that FA board. You will be belly aching too.

    Yes, it was. We received 100K for that dinky cup, enough to pay one week's salary to enrique and borini. BR was given a frugal budget this summer, called spade a spade, its a rebuilding year for Liverpool.
     
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    I was wondering what people thought about Bertrand tonight? Every game he seems to get better and better. Chelsea fans have been spoilt really with probably the best left back of the last decade in Cole, but to see the things Bertrand is doing defensively, and going forward is great.

    3 or 4 years ago I thought it would be van Aanholt who would be the big thing coming out of the academy, but Bertrand's rise over the last year has been a pleasant surprise.

    I never really understand why a player approaching 30, who has pulled out of tournament squads before because he can't handle being away from home gets the nod for England over him. Baines is a great player, but when the rest of the squad is looking to bring in exciting young players, it doesn't make alot of sense.
     
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    What happened to Van Aanholt? I sort of remember him being built up (possibly along with Nouble), I suppose irrespective of raw talent some just need more time (or don't make it).(Ravel Morrisson)
    Personally i'd be playing Bertrand at left back now, I know Cole is probably still slightly better but I think the former will get better with experiance. (Reumours indicate Cole isn't getting the contract offer he wants so maybe this season is it for him at CFC anyway?)
    Did you read the bbc report today about the clattenberg saga? It's being implied that his accent is to blame for someone who doesn't speak English telling one of the other players he called them something?Sounds like it's getting wooly and if that's how it pans out one big mess.Which if he is cleared, would CFC face a charge?
     
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    He's a Robert Napier troglodyte, doesn't know the difference between your and you're.

    (now that we've got virtually all the money we can get from him, he's dead to me)
     
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    So Messi's got a son now, but Arsene, who was on hand during the birth, has decided against signing him, saying he doesn't have the physical build for the premier league.

    Funny enough, the exact number of days between Ronaldo and Messi's respective dates of birth is the same number of days between the births of their sons. Rather odd, no?
     
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    Arsene: Play Arshavin tomorrow!
     
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    Wow, Arsenal were truly sh*t today.
     
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    Yes, they were but it was worth it to see the rooney fail on the pelanty.

    Rvp is pure class. If I was theo I would be gone come January. Poldi is way off the pace but hopefully he get used to the pl.
     
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    Linesmen seem to be mega twitchy with offside calls this week. West Ham and City have both had goals chalked off by questionable calls.
     
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    Not as sh*t as Spurs though... :evil:
     
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    It depends partly on what happens in the Clattenburg matter. If it goes against him this will be his last season. If it doesn't then he has a chance of staying put.
     
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    If Chelsea get rid of him, they would make (yet another) big mistake
     
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    I like him too. I think he did well at WBA and has done well with Chelsea so far. I am not sure that Guardiola's skills necessarily transfer to Chelsea. The concern that I think Chelsea's management must have about dI Matteo is whether he is sufficiently pragmatic and/or flexible to succeed consistently in the way they want.
     

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