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  1. Feña14

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    I think Cavani will probably cost the same as Falcao. I heard about the Arsenal link too and I had to laugh, they think they can get him for £30 Million :)

    The price was £35 Million in the summer, he signed a new contract with a bigger buyout clause since then. Not sure why Arsenal think they can get him for so cheap.
     
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    Oh come the hell off it Ross, Dempsey scored the winner at United away. When was the last time Spurs won at Old Trafford before that?

    Arsenal think they can get Cavani for 30 million? How about we give Napoli Torres, Mikel and 5 million for Cavani? Seems like a fair trade, Torres is probably worth 20-25 million, Mikel isn't worth anything on his own, and 5 million is the sweetner.
     
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    Well that would leave us possibly even worse off :) Ramires would be the only midfielder in the squad, and Cavani the only out and out striker. He'd certainly be better than Torres, and it might be easier than trying to offload him through selling, but yeah, I don't think it would be good for either side.
     
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    He did do that, and that was great. From what I've seen though, and from what I know the general feeling from the fans is, that (some would say flukey) victory aside, he hasn't really impressed at all. Moreover, the view is the top quality Van DerVaart and Modric have not been adequately replaced. All that said, him, AVB, etc do need more time, absolutely.
     
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    Dempsey is a slightly better version of Kevin Nolan, contributes little to overall play but good at poaching goals.

    Both he and Sigurdsson would benefit from Ade playing rather than Defoe because Ade actually gets other players involved unlike Defoe who's always looking to shoot first.
     
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    Sir i demand you wash your mouth out with soap........:shock:
    Dempsey better than Kevin Nolan???
    I'm off to make a cup of tea to calm myself down.
     
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    Dempsey doesn't poach, or atleast when he plays for the U.S, he sits behind the strikers and creates space for our wingers. And when all else fails, he shoots (as you guys would know ;)).

    No doubt that VdV was and is better than Dempsey. He's also younger; and came from Real Madrid. Dempsey came from Fulham. He's more creative, faster, much more technically proficient, and has a better shot. Regarding Modric, he hasn't impressed much at Madrid, but he too is better than Dempsey. If you have a problem with the fact that your club signed Dempsey over someone else, it's not his fault. Blame it on the manager and his tactics or the club's president.

    I hope it happens!
     
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    It's 6 weeks today till Christmas, so 7 weeks before January. Not long to go!
     
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    Will we send Torres the other way as a "Thank you" Christmas gift?

    Or perhaps with a "DO NOT RETURN TO SENDER" sign when we send the cash over to them for Falcao?
     
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    Is something getting a bit lost in translation here?

    Yes, it is of course down to Levy and AVB. I don't have a major issue with Dempsey. I just think it's fair to say Dempsey hasn't excelled yet - like the vast majority.

    Spurs are desperately crying out for a playmaker of course. Having got shot of Modric, the notoriously 'tight' Levy needed to move heaven and earth to get one in the summer, but obviously, that never happened.


    Dave,

    Shocking as that statement was, I trust you've done the British thing and gathered your senses and calmed down after the imbibing a strong cuppa. :)

    On a serious note, how are you feeling about Allardyce and what he's doing with the hammers? Seems like he's doing well, no? A West Ham fan has told me he's slowly but surely become a convert.


    Fena,

    Who - surely at a massive loss for the blues - are the contenders to buy Torres? Which teams would have him? Where would he want to go?
     
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    It's a tough one! The two obvious ones would be Juventus (who are always linked with strikers, and have been with Torres in the past, even last summer). Going back to Atletico is an option, as it would probably be the only club he would settle for smaller wages at.

    I think Italy in general would make sense, it would complete the set of Spain, England and Italy for him.

    AC Milan have been known to go for big name players who have had issues, Robinho and Ronaldinho for instance. Maybe Russia if he fancies getting £300,000 a week, no doubt Anzhi would probably be interested.

    I think there are options out there for him. I wonder if someone as big as Falcao comes in, would Torres leave in January. It would be interesting to see how he handles the new signing and competition, he didn't like Drogba being the main man so I can't imagine he would be happy having a younger, clearly better man take his place.
     
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    What a player Zlatan Ibrahimovic is. That 4th goal was truly special. You see a performance like that and realize that the ludicrously over-hyped Rooney isn't fit to tie up his hairband. Such a class performance tonight.
     
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    I didn't watch it. I thought it would be two hours of ITV worshipping Gerrard, but that's usually what happens anyway :)

    I look forward to seeing Zlatan's goals though.
     
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    Sick goal from Zlatan.
     
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    Wow, made rooneys bicycle (off his shin) look elementary
     
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    holy ****. that's amazing.

    wonder why he never made the move to England, he could have been great for a club like United.
     
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    Should of given it to Luiz! There's something about carefree players and penalties, Balotelli being another.
     
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    I can't get my head around how much he got under the ball! Was it on a rugby kicking tee?
     
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    It looked like it! I don't really know how it was possible to get it that high from 12 yards out. It's impressive, in it's own way.

    You up late/early for the cricket? :)
     
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    Tottenham's Mousa Dembélé ruled out of Arsenal match with hip injury

    Best news I've had all week ;)
     
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    Thanks my friend for adding a further significant dent in my already rapidly going down hill day. :( :)
     
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    Yes i'm ok now thank you Ross!!
    As for SA, it's been a very long time since we've played any good traditional "west ham style" football.We're winning more than they are loosing at the moment so that feels better as a fan!FRankly I have to say having watched quit a lof of it on tv this year the old Big Sam cliches' are for the most past nonsense, we have played some great passing stuff but frankly don't look like we'll fold as soon as someone runs at us with the ball.They cleared a lof of players out after relegation the only one i'd of kept would of been Demba Ba, however once he went off in a huff as with his prev club i was happy enough to se ehim go.
    You liking the way TH are going?
     
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    Yes, but unfortunately for me, Bale will still play. Not really sure who is going to stop him. I still have nightmares of him running at the Utd defense last month and causing havoc.

    Good move on the part of Mancini to want to buy Suarez. City are pretty light on strikers ATM with only Balo, Dezko, Tevez, etc ;)

    Maybe Mancini should put in a 150 million # bid for Chelsea's middle three.
     
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    Yeah I've heard City have offered 55 million for him. Liverpool should counter offer Suarez and Carroll for 65 million and a striker, maybe Balotelli or Dzeko; Tevez would never play for Liverpool. Hell, maybe with that money they could buy back Torres. He's been sh*t for Chelsea in all honesty.

    In all seriousness though, if Suarez does go, Liverpool need to re-invest the whole transfer fee into fixing their midfield and getting a striker. I'd say Soldado, Banega and maybe Traore from Ahnzi would fit, maybe even Honda from CSKA. He is awesome.
     
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    Haha... indeed. :wink:
     
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    RE Spurs/Gooners earlier, I believe the phrase is: 'Deja vu'... yep, we've been here before recently, haven't we? :evil: ... someone pass me the bottle of single malt rather quickly, if you don't mind. :(
     
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    I thought you'd be pleased by the result! ;)

    Was an interesting one for sure.


    And I'm pissed Chelsea lost, that was a tough one.
     
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    Don't worry :) the title was always going to end up in Manchester this year. There isn't much difference between finishing second a third, third would be good.

    We don't really have the depth that they both have, i'll say it again, our midfield isn't good enough or deep enough. You literally have just two men in Mikel and Ramires, with Lampard going in a few weeks by the sounds of things. We have a big game midweek but couldn't get either of the 2 much rest.
     
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    Frankie is leaving so soon? I though he'd be off in the summer. Are we going to get a fee for him or is he leaving on a free?
     
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    I'm not entirely sure, they say he will go to Australia, America or maybe PSG with Ancelotti. The fee would be minimum if there is one.

    It's tough really, we had West Brom today, Juventus on Tuesday, Man City next weekend, Fulham the middle of next week, then West Ham on Saturday lunch time and Nordsjaelland a couple of days after that. Before going off to the Club World Cup, Leeds in the Carling Cup as soon as we get back and then the 4 games in 9 days you get over Christmas.

    Ramires, Mikel and Torres are going to be running on fumes only half way into the season it seems.
     
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    Shame ade got sent off but that was a stupid challenge.

    I saw enough from spurs in the first twenty mins to scare the $h1t out of me.

    That ruined the game from a neutral standpoint but I was glad for the points. Giroud is really starting to find his way now and theo is taking it up a notch.

    Ramsey just doesn't seem good enough, he would perfect at someplace like Stoke or Norwich.

    Wish Wenger would play Santos in that position more often, his defending is crap but his passing and distribution are first rate. Reminds me of Eboue.
     
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    City are in crisis sack the board.
     
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    Agreed, they should play the youth team next weekend aswell I think. Anything less than that will be seen as not taking a stand! ;)
     
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    Not sure I'd want that if I were a Chelsea supporter, watching John Guidetti bully your back 4 for 90 minutes whilst Torres has another poor game might up the depression rate a bit.

    Seeing what world class strikers in Tevez and Aguero can do by getting a hat trick each as well as a brace from Dzeko off the bench should be nice for those having a day out at Stamford Bridge, wouldn't want to deprive them of that :)
     
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    It wouldn't be such a bad thing I wouldn't of thought, in the long run. Surely another blank from Torres, with the City forwards getting amongst the goals would be the final straw for Abramovich.

    Maybe he is debating on waiting for the summer to get Falcao, it might be what's needed to go for it in January. It could be the difference between going deeper in the Champions League, cementing 3rd, winning a cup competition etc..

    Hopefully we still get the 3 points next week, it would be good to go into the Christmas period with 3 teams all pretty close.
     
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    Do you CFC fans think Torres has gotten a lot worse since his move or was he in decline (with hindsight) at Liverpool before he moved? He seems to lack confidence (understandable) but looks quite average on the ball.Movement off of it seems ok from what i've seen on tele or is ti just that Hazard etc have decided it's better not to pass to him?
     
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    Had not realised you'd managed to amass a pile up already, I can't help having images of Frank jnr scoring 3 against us then leaving happily for LA though.
     
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    If i'm honest, i've never really thought he was as good as people made him out to be. No doubt he has got worse (the last year at Liverpool was when it started I think), but he was never as good as Villa or Drogba, whilst many people thought he was as good, or even better.

    Haha, wouldn't mind that happening :)

    The fixture pile up is fine, it happens every year and is a sign you're successful I think. It's an issue because we are so short in parts of the squad, 3 midfielders to last an entire season? Torres to play 70 odd games and get a goal every other game? Yeah, it was never going to happen.
     
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    I was at the Emirates yesterday. I have never seen a game that turned so completely on a sending off. Tottenham were in complete control and comfortably ahead, and they looked likely to score again. Arsenal had nothing to show. Then Ad****or was sent off and everything changed. With Defoe alone up front for Spurs Arsenal were able to crowd the midfield and overwhelm Huddlestone and the others. Then Arsenal got on top of the Spurs full backs and it was all over. The first Arsenal goal was a beautiful header.

    Tottenham probably have better players. Loris is a very good keeper, Ad****or still looks likely to score goals and Bale is very good indeed. His goal was stunning. It isn't that he is very quick in a straight line - Lennon and Walcott are both quicker. But his control of the ball at high speed is amazing. For his goal he ran past the Arsenal defence easily but going sideways. Such was his control though that the ball might as well have been stationary for the shot. His balance is also terrific. He was by far the best payer on the pitch. Huddlestone is a strange player. He gets into the right places and reads the game well but doesn't do enough once he has the ball. Some of his free kicks and corners were very weak, though neither team did much with the dead ball.

    In the end Arsenal just played well as a unit. They were up for the game -- once Ad****or had gone -- and nothing was going to stop them. They are the opposite of Tottenham who seemed to lack resilience yesterday.

    Lennon, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Walcott all looked to be struggling. Walcott played well at times and got in behind the Spurs full backs very effectively. But even so he looked strangely lacking in the ability to impose himself in the game. The other two looked lost.
     
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    Torres is sh*t. Worse signing than Scheva, and one with a **** poor attitude too. His best was at Liverpool as you say because I think in his final half season there he just "lost it" and acted like he didn't want to play football anymore. I don't understand why Chelsea signed him, if they hadn't, they could have had a number of better strikers in their first team at the moment. My, that 50 million sure could be better used today, I think.
     
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    Cheers S, very interesting to hear your pitch-side observations.

    On a side-note: God knows what AVB was going on about in the press with his assertion Spurs controlled the entire game, etc. As the likes of the Sun have been completely out to get him from day 1, seems to me he's contributing - and it's utterly unnecessary - to the mounting pressure himself.
     
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    I was interested to see how he would do at Spurs, he said he learnt from his mistakes at Chelsea and he would change. From the outside it doesn't seem like he has.
     
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    I don't think that's a fair assertion - at Chelsea his biggest problem was his inability to get through to the team and to really motivate them. There was a huge discord between him and the senior players in the team and when such a thing exists your days will always be numbered. Chelsea were a winning side under him but he wasn't able to effectively communicate with the team.

    At Spurs, I haven't heard of any such discord, the only big thing I've noticed about Spurs every time I've watched them under AvB is that they always seem ill-prepared. As well, he's proved that his tactics suck when he doesn't have a plethora of world-class players to call upon.

    What happened to him at Chelsea and the reasons for it are completely different from what's happening to him now. With Chelsea, it was down to his lack of communication. With Spurs, he's getting found out tactically.
     
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    I thought his tactics against Arsenal were pretty good, going with 2 strikers was bold and what the Tottenham fans I know had been wanting to see. They were brilliant before the sending off.

    I noticed he still crouches down on the touchline and someone commented how the players pay no attention to him on the side, which is a problem. I've no idea how his relationship is with the players, it seems to be good enough for now.
     
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    Interesting thoughts. Yeah Spurs were good for the first 20 minutes or so, but I think that had more to do with being a goal to the good against their rivals. Sometimes you don't need to be motivated to have a good start in a derby, you're fired up as is and you want to go out and impress. The 2 striker thing is down to AvB, as you say, but I think most managers these days would play a similar system against a team that lets you have time on the ball to play some nice football, and also because the squad is loaded with good strikers and attacking players. I certainly wouldn't play 1 striker in a derby match when 4th place is potentially at stake. Not doing so would be cowardly.
     

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