Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Got to be honest, re Everton and Spurs game later today, I'm fearing the 'fro... Fellaini's been storming the PL and it surely can't be long before a mega-offer has him heading towards La Liga, or Utd, City or Chelsea.
I'm not sure where he'll go, maybe Man Utd? I can't see Madrid or Barcelona going for him. He would improve Chelsea, but the price it would take to get him doesn't make much sense.
I'd prefer to get a cheaper player who would fit into the team. Capoue, Benat etc.. A destroyer or a classy ball player, ideally both. Fellaini isn't really either.
Talk about frustrating... just a few minutes really away from winning and then get sucker punched - twice. :cry: Ah well, I can't say Everton didn't deserve it actually.
Didn't see the City Utd game. A deserved win for the reds was it?
Any price would be worth it to improve Chelsea, because it would also mean that Mikel wouldn't play anymore, which is a prospect worth infinite sums of money. Just think of how much better off we'd be without such a liability wandering around aimlessly on the pitch, just waiting to get carded or concede a penalty or free kick.
Maybe! I just think we could get two players for the price it would take to bring Fellaini in. Capoue is around £9 Million, Benat or even Banega (who I know you're a fan of) are around £16 Million. If it's a choice out of two of those, or Fellaini.. I know which option sounds better to me
Diame has a 3.5 million buy out clause and Ba 7.5, they'd be good January transfers.
They would, neither of them would pass a medical though I wouldn't of thought. They're a risk of sorts, but would be great for Arsenal. Steel and strength in midfield, a striker who can replace van Persie's goals better than anyone they have at the moment.
I think i feel your pain!
Man u were prob a bit better but I was sitting next to a utd fan who was very animated today!
Can't believe all 3 of their goals were scored by hammers academy players.:shock:
Wasn't Chelsea linked with Ba as well? He'd provide depth upfront and competition for Torres.
Glad to see Wenger having a say in the outcome of the Manchester derby.
RvP (ex Arsenal)'s free kick takes a wicked deflection off the boot of Samir Nasri, another Emirates product.
I'd rather have City stumble instead of Utd. With Mancini, they're much more fragile mentally down the stretch and that's better for ars, spurs and chelsea fans.
Fergie's boys rarely choke at the end.
And with the free kick resulting from Clichy needlessly giving the ball away on the edge of the City area.
Re City being more likely to slip up down the stretch - I don't think what either of the Manchester clubs are doing is anything to do with us unfortunately. :cry:
In spite of our terrible results / form / play, the fact that we're only two points behind Everton / Spurs in 4th / 5th is really a positive. To have been as atrocious as we have been and not have been made to pay for it by the pretenders for 4th place leaves Arsenal with a bit of optimism.
Yeah, this morning it was in the papers again. If Sturridge goes then absolutely, someone with Ba's record would be a huge upgrade.
I also think the red half of Merseyside might come into things... call me insane but I just have a sneaking suspicion Liverpool are starting to get going under Rodgers.
I do too, top 4 this year might be a bit of a stretch though. The way things are going with everyone dropping points regularly, it could be possible.
Just a bit of fun...
Who might be your top foreign PL players of all time?
I'll kick it off... Cantona, Bergkamp and Zola.
Good choices! I'd add Henry, Drogba, Hasselbaink, Pires, Viera, Makelele, van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo and Schmeichel.
I see Romeu is out for the season after a nasty knee injury, Mikel and Ramires are going to be pretty busy for the next 7 months!
Does that mean we're going to ship him back to the Nou Camp now, becuse that two-year option is up?
I don't think that's how it works with this one, we signed him outright for €5 Million, so he's a Chelsea player. Barcelona had the option to buy him back last year for €10 Million, or €15 Million next summer. I don't think he has shown enough for them to do that, now he won't kick a ball again before the summer, it seems even more unlikely.
Yes, Henry was just sensational. Also have to say the same for Viera. Of 'the Invincibles' though, my personal fav is Dennis Berkamp... stunning touch, highly skillful, consistent, could always find the back of the net, and hard and niggly without quite entering into Roy Keane mode...what a player!8)
Oh I agree, Bergkamp and Zola are my favourites. I don't think they scored a bad goal between them!
I remember Bergkamp scored a hat-trick against Leicester, you couldn't wish to see 3 better goals. Zola's flick between the legs, direct from a corner was probably my favourite of his, although he made Schmeichel look silly only a few months into his first season.. I remember Ferguson calling him a "clever little so-and-so", pretty sweet to rub it in to the school full of Man Utd fans the day after, most of which hadn't even heard of Chelsea at the time!
Great choices, Ruud was superb on his day and was a regular in my fantasy side back then.
Henry is the one for me though, I am biased though.
Fena, your new avatar keeps throwing me off
Nani to Arsenal? Not sure how I feel about that.
Bergkamp was just as capable of putting in dirty tackles as he was trapping a ball exquisitely.
Whereas Gervinho, Walcott, Arshavin et al hardly have a b*ll*ck between them, and they certainly aren't rock 'ard!
Someone in our team needs to step up and 'do a Keown' on a contemporary van Nistelrooy (van Persie at the Emirates springs to mind) and teach the younger players that beyond their years of one touch passing training you need to play on the edge physically to win this league.
I don't off all time, but from 2000 onwards I would say Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Ljugnberg, Van Nistelrooy, Giggs, Drogba, Cech and Aguero. I'm probably forgeting someone important though.
How about Essien? Makalele? And yeah Alonso at Liverpool was dynamite, and when he had Masch alongside him they were awesome.
And someone should mention Liverpool Torres before Aguero. Aguero is great but at Liverpool Torres was amazing.
Yes, that's a good pick.
Roy Keane too.
I see the Falcao rumours are starting up again, same with Walcott. Why are all the top teams chasing him? He wants to play central, I can't see him getting into the team at any of his prefered destinations.
Will be interesting to see Paulinho in the finals on Sunday, with Mikel going off for the African Cup of Nations and Romeu out for the season, he could be a great option.
anyway choosing the best that's no fun, what about the worst, not just in terms of cost but attitude, ability to play a full game etc.
Marco Boogers, Florin Radiciou, Paolo Futre (fantastic ability but so past it it was untrue) Dumitrescu,(they were all from one Redknapp spending spree-i feel or QPR) Ali Dia (southampton lad said he was Weahs; cousin IIRC)
The best thing to come out of today? Listening to Piazon express his disappointment in his team mates. We just didn't want to be there, it was dire, going through the motions would of been a step up from that crap.
If they all had the attitude of Luiz, Ramires and Piazon today, it's hard to imagine not getting the win.
Yeah the Brazilian contingent took it quite seriously. The rest of the team? Not so much. Torres in particular was dogshit.
A step up from his usual form then.
Tell you what we can do a straight swap Torres for Balotelli, at least your games will be entertaining then
Haha, great 'worst ever PL foreign players' ... yes, West Ham/Redknapp have a pretty dire record.
I don't get why Mancini goes down the tough love route with him. Some players you have to make them feel loved and let them do their own thing, Di Canio, Cantona etc..
Prandelli did it in the Euro's and we saw it was good for him. Mancini seems to be looking for things to lay into him over. With characters like Balotelli, that's like a red rag to a bull.
Yeah - I don't understand why the European team doesn't put more effort into winning the Club World Cup, especially if you are a team who has just won the European Cup for the first time in your history and thus have never won this title. Surely most clubs would want the title of 'World Club Champion' in their history, and most players to have it on their resume, even if most of the competition within the tournament is not considered to be the most prestigious.
Tim Vickery is always talking about how it is considered a huge deal in Brazil and South America, being a focal point of the entire club season, as it is seen as an opportunity to confound expectations and beat the moneyed European giant.
Obviously it's a distraction from the toil of a domestic season, but how many of the Chelsea squad have that title to their name, which can only be obtained by the best-of-the-best in a given year?
Also, it would have provided the Chelsea fans with a new twist on their "we know what we are..." chant now that they've been knocked out of the CL.
I think Rafa sent the team out to loose, last time he was at that stage he was with Inter, he won the match, he called for money to spend in his post-match presser and was sacked a day later. He didn't want history to repeat itself.
Very good choices. Tevez has saved one side from relegation and won the PL with two others.
Ross, here we come, only two points back
Everton should def drop points with the Fro out for 3 games: Christmas comes early.
Chelsea TV are showing the 1970 FA Cup final against Leeds, both games. If I didn't have work, watching those again would make for a good 4 hours
Hopefully the players take tomorrow's game more seriously than they did on Sunday, putting in a poor performance against one of our most hated rivals won't go down well.
Yes, you're definitely still in the hunt and it's all to play for with a number of sides. Anyhow, I've learnt through bitter experience (last season being maybe the worst example of this I can remember :evil, to never underestimate Wenger and Arsenal.
On a wider note about my lot, if only...
IF ONLY Levy could make a very good signing or two this upcoming transfer window, it could make all the difference. Last season we were in a similar boat and he went to bolster our attack with the goal scoring demon and fit as a fiddle five-times World Player of the Year nominee that is... Louis Saha... (Okay, the nominee stuff is not quite true LOL)... Plus, who can forget Levy's other massive winter transfer window signing - the defensive colossus and titan that is... Ryan Nelson? :grin:
If Levy is truly ambitious, the money need to spent on the likes of a Moutinho, Ericson, Willian, etc, and not these cut-price aging PL players whose time has been and gone.
That is such paper made up nonsense, he got 7 goals at the end of a season that he just didnt do much in the previous 26 games of.The Tevez saved them was only started because A) he scored at the end of the season (If he'd of gotten them in Aug and SEpt then not scored again would anyone of claimed he saved them?) and B) SEan BEan and Mccabe the Sheff Utd chairman who claimed it was our fualt they went down.
If we hadn't of had them (Tevez and mascharano) plonled into the side into an attempt to appease another shady buyer from joining the owners then we'd of had a side that played well togther like the year before not one that got all jealous divided and didn't talk to each other at all.
I still don't mind Tevez but that agent Jorabcahin there is something about his dealings.........
Oh and Messi has signed a new contract, guess there goes my hopes of him turning out for us then
Not sure that I follow all this but I think Tevez was the difference between West Ham staying up and going down that season. It wasn't the goals alone that I was thinking of, more his all round play. My feeling is that Tevez is an underrated player. Not as flashy as Ronaldo at United, nor as flashy as Aguero at City, but what an influence he has on the game. He would be one of the first names in my PL XI -- current or past.
^ Agree. City seem a different proposition when he's in the side.
I fully agree he does add something different and aids the city side no end.I (and any hammers fans i know) would welcome him back any time as he is a class player who likes to have the ball and looks like something will happen when he has it. However, we had a Tevez and mascherano who spoke no English, had a manager who was ordered to play them both as soon as they arrived when neither had done a pre season because of Masch' strike t get a move and Tevez being on holiday. The formation the hammers had done so well with previously and in pre season was ditched to accomodate two unfit players, it is said that the others resented this so wouldn't pass the ball to them etc.(childish)
I meant, we would of been better off without them from the start, we wouldn't of needed the wins in the last few matches without all the upheaval.
Ignoring the fact that Masch asked for a move not long after arriving then when their agent didn't buy the club for his people (a very good thing) they were both being touted everywher.Masch went to 'pool in Jan and Tevez only really started playing well when it was apparant that the big 4 in England were not convinced they wanted to offer him a contract as he'd done nothing by Feb.
Arsenal to go on a spending spree in January? Would be fun to see Ba there.
I'm sure Arsenal will spend, i've been hearing about Ba and El Shaarawy. Newcastle are supposed to be close to getting Remy, which suggests Ba is on his way.
I don't think Sturridge will play for Chelsea again, he should move to Liverpool for £12 Million in the opening days of the window, i'd of thought.
Ramires and Lampard the only two midfielders in the squad, until Mikel gets back from Africa and his ban, with Torres the only striker. The cupboard really is bare.
So I saw Twitter was blowing up earlier, some Spanish TV station had said Falcao was talking to Chelsea all day and it was pretty much a done deal.
I didn't really think much of it at the time, these crazy stories come out all the time before transfer windows open. Sky Bet now have him at 1/1 to join Chelsea before the end of January though. AS, one of the big papers in Spain have talked about it too, saying he will be in London to look around the facilities and the city next week.
No wonder we're trying to get Sturridge sold to Liverpool as soon as possible!
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