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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. crosscourt

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    I see that Tom Ince may move to Liverpool. It is reported as "his father's club". I find that strange. Paul Ince played for West ham, United, Inter Milan and then Liverpool at the end of his career. Saying that Liverpool was Paul Ince's club is like calling Dennis Law "the former Manchester City player".

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  2. Dave M

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    didn't Blackpool buy him from Liverpool?
     
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    Same thing with Sol Campbell in his recent (pretty pointless) interview with the BBC. He referred to Arsenal possessively: 'we,' 'us', 'our' etc. It's funny that you often won't hear that from 'legends' who spent the bulk of their career at a club, but will do from others who spent just a few years. Obviously he cut all ties with Spurs in making the move, so perhaps he feels a tighter bond to the rival club he moved to.

    For me, and probably for many, Paul Ince was a United player, but having said that I came in with the Premier League so I have no awareness of his career before that.

    With Wilshere, Ramsey, The Ox, Gibbs and Jenkinson all signing long-term deals, it'll be interesting to see whether Wenger's belief in the notion that a group of players that have been nurtured by a club will commit to that club is well founded. It obviously didn't work with the foreign youngsters, and now he puts his faith in the British kids. It may help a little, but the key thing is still making the club competitive again if you want to keep and sign players.
     
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    ian ayre let him go for free and now decided to buy him back for a reportely 4-6 mil :evil:

    forget a new striker, john henry needs to take a serious look at our front office, clean house and bring in someone that can evaluate talent and negotiate, our transfers these last few years (with a few exceptions) were just awful
     
  5. Cesc Fabregas

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    12 million for Sturridge is a great deal for Chelsea.
     
  6. NickC

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    This.

    Liverpool have wasted a ton of money on bad players for a very long time now, and I can only hope Mr. Henry is serious about reversing that course. It seems that for every Suarez, Alonso, Masch, or Torres, there's about 40 million pounds spent on players that just suck.
     
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    It really is, considering we got Moses (who brings alot more imo) for around half that price. I just hope the club don't ruin it by signing Walcott as his replacement! :)
     
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    There was only West Ham before Man U, I've actually heard him refer to the hammers fans as "we", in the past something which really suprised me given all that has gone past.He got a bad bit of advice as a young player, a journalist got lazy and didn't check some facts and he ends up being out of favour with the club he grew up with, fans can be unforgiving:shock:.I think a lot when they learnt the facts have let it go but there will always be a few who'll hang on with the abuse!
    Can anyone really argue that Ince or Campbell didn't have a better career by leaving? He was aquality player but I think of him in claret and blue or man u.
     
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    it's strange that a year or so ago Arsenal fans were not that bothered by Walcott, now it's a different story.
    Sturridge to 'pool I guess they really don't want Carrol back then!
     
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    February 12 and March 6
    Celtic v Juventus
    Valencia v Paris Saint-Germain
    February 13 and March 5
    Shakhtar Donetsk v Borussia Dortmund
    Real Madrid v Manchester United
    February 19 and March 13
    FC Porto v Malaga
    Arsenal v Bayern Munich
    February 20 and March 12
    Galatasaray v Schalke 04
    AC Milan v Barcelona


    Wow, some really neat matchups here. I'm particularly interested in seeing how Valencia fare against PSG, they're like Arsenal in the sense that they've been going through troubling times in the past few seasons but always manage to make it far in the Champions League. PSG, for me, haven't shown their true quality, it seems like they've hit several roadblocks this term. Arsenal-Bayern should be cool too.

    All credit to Celtic though, first Barcelona and now Juventus? Brilliant, especially for the fans.
     
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    Ah, Sol Campbell... for Spurs fans he is possibly the most detested player ever to have laced up a pair of boots.

    Re CL games... how do ppl see Man U V Real? Seems to me the pressure's kind of building on Jose?
     
  12. Feña14

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    He's never under pressure :) I think he just manipulates every situation to suit his agenda. I believe he wants to come back to England in the summer, he's making it seem like things aren't going well at Madrid to make it easier. That's how I see it anyway.
     
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    would you want him back?
     
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    This one of the better deals this year, Moses is a terrific player, hard working and has a good sense of where the goal is. Sturridge may be a couple of years away from realizing his potential or he may have stalled, who knows?
    This has been a year of some dreadful deals and it's gonna get worse next year when clubs have even more cash to throw at mediocre players.
    Why all the noise about Walcott, he is fast, but undersized and not a great shooter so why all the fuss? Sell him off for a ton of dough and Arsene will go find some young Spanish kid to take his place
    BTW if you are a Chelsea fan I was on holiday 2 summers ago and went to the Chelsea- Swansea tie (4-1) That was the game where Torres scored a nice goal and then got a straight red for a clumsy challenge LOL. My fondest memory of the game was Drogba making a cameo appearance at the end of the match, he had just recovered from a head injury. He had been on the pitch for about a minute and scored a sublime goal. Magical moment! We may never see another player like him, Torres couldn't hold his jockstrap which may be a clumsy analogy but you get my drift, cheers.
     
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    Yes, I would :)

    Mourinho and Guardiola are the best two managers available, but I don't really want Guardiola. Abramovich and Mourinho's personal relationship is great, i'm not too sure how they would get on working together again though!

    Ahh, I remember that game, you chose a good one to go to :)

    It was the week after Torres scored that great goal against Man Utd at Old Trafford, as you said, he scored early on against Swansea and people were starting to say he was back. The sending off was just another damp squib.

    It looks like Sturridge has already had his Liverpool medical, so that's pretty much done. Apparently the deal nearly didn't happen after he got a pen and put into the contract a line saying he has to be played through the middle :lol: he is certainly sure of himself.
     
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    Looks like Arshavin is leaving in the January window, with notorious fabricators / b*llsh*t merchants Goal.com claiming he's moving to Reading for £4m. While it obviously doesn't heavily affect the 1st team seeing as he couldn't get a game for toffee, it's a sad moment as he was THE player every Arsenal fan wanted it to work out for. He represented perhaps the only time Wenger has gone out and actually bought a finished, world class player at the peak of his career that clubs everywhere wanted. He's also been linked with Fulham, and I think that would be a much better move for him.

    With hindsight, had Arsene known that Fabregas, Nasri and van Persie would force their way out of the club, perhaps he would have built the team around Arshavin and played him in his Zenit role.

    Anyway, if he goes, and with Gervinho off to the African Cup of Nations, there's no way Walcott can leave in January. I doubt he will though, as I'm sure he's already signed a pre-contract with another club for the Bosman in the summer.
     
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    Good points, Arsene has definite ideas about where players should play: surprised that Theo has been able to force his way into playing central TBH.\

    I wonder how Poldi would do in that role?

    I always rated Arshavin's skillz but he always seemed a bit lazy to my taste.

    Yes, we would be better off with RvP but we are higher at this point in the season than we were with him last year-isn't that right?
     
  18. Feña14

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    So, two hours into Christmas, and less than a week to go before the window opens!

    What signings are we hoping for as a late present? :)

    I think Falcao, Capoue and Benat/Pjanic would do for me! Maybe Willian, we're already strong in that area, but this is the time of year where indulgence is common :)

    Happy Christmas everyone.
     
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    I'd like 3 points and for Van Persie to decide football is too dangerous to play any longer and announce his retirement.
     
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    Wouldn't mind that Bale guy though..at this rate Spuds will finish above us though so would be no point.
     
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    It's strange really, City look kind of flat, they have done all season. Whilst finding a way to win is impressive and vital for a top team, they really shouldn't be relying on it. Man Utd haven't looked good either, defensively i've never seen them so bad. Without van Persie, they would be in a bit of trouble.

    I think Chelsea have looked better than both of them if i'm honest. The way we started the season, the football we played then and are doing now, it's been pretty good. Just a shame we had that 6 week period where it all went wrong.

    It will be interesting if Abramovich does go big in the transfer window, getting Falcao or Villa and numbers in midfield could make it an interesting second half to the season. Moses and Mikel are off to the African Cup of Nations for the next month and a half now, whilst Lampard has been told he can find another club in January. 6 weeks with just Ramires as the only midfielder does worry me.
     
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    We are probably second slowest team in the league when attacking (Wigan only one I can think of who build up slower), last week against Reading we won the ball for what would have been a 4 on 5 -- mind you with Silva/Aguero/Tevez/Yaya who should be able to put fear into the worst defence in the league when attacking at pace.

    It took 15 passes to get it out of our half in which time their entire defence was back organised again - and that about sums up how we've played all year, when Micah and Clichy/Kolarov are the fullbacks this can be worked around since they provide actual width but really with the attacking players we have it's annoying to watch sometimes.

    United's defence aren't good and would probably be the worst to win the title in a long while should they do it but I just don't see how they can be stopped offensively if Van Persie stays fit and when Kagawa comes back, just too many ways they can attack.

    As for Chelsea yeah that stumble after Benitez was appointed probably puts you out of contention but at the moment (throughout the year really) have been the most balanced in being good everywhere on the pitch, would have liked to see Luiz at defensive mid against Fellaini this weekend to see if he really is as good as it seems though but he got a bit lucky there! Still Everton away will be one where we see how good Chelsea's form really is, one of the few clubs that can stop your midfield's creativity,
     
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    Everton away is probably the toughest game outside of the top 4, Liverpool and Spurs are up there, but Goodison is a horrible place to go. I think any of the big teams wouldn't be too upset with a point from it. As you say though, we are playing catch up so have to get 3 points from it.

    I see Negredo is the latest to be linked with Chelsea, £15 Million for him or Villa seems to be the options at the moment, with £10 Million for Gomis being the other. That's if Abramovich doesn't trigger Falcao's release clause. Nacho Monreal seems to be the forward thinking at left back with Cole leaving. Benat, Suarez, Paulinho or Camacho in midfield.

    I think we need 3 players, a striker and a couple of midfielders, or visa versa. The left back can wait till the summer.
     
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    Great game at the Emirates. 4-3 after 75 mins and neither team can defend at all.

    I'd be interested to see the average goals per game stats for the PL this season - so many teams just can't prevent the opposition scoring several goals a match.
     
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    Can't help but shake the feeling that Arshavin would have scored 4 goals if he would have played tonight.
     
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    Best performance of the year for me, today. Arsenal and Tottenham away were impressive at the start of the season, but Everton is a totally unique challenge.

    To concede after 60 seconds, lose Cech and battle out a hard win was very satisfying. We look really balanced at the moment, the defence and Cahill especially is great to see. Luiz has added alot in midfield, and there are options off the bench.

    If we can get some help and backup to Torres and a midfielder, we should improve even more.
     
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    Skysports are saying Chelsea and Demba Ba have broken off talks. If I were to take a guess there never was any talks and they're just backtracking.
     
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    Could probably apply that to 90% of transfer stories, though.

    Obviously some outlets are slightly more professional than others (I don't think many believed Goal.com's recent claim that PSG were bidding £250m for Messi, with an £80m annual salary).

    Surely there must be plenty of interest in Ba. Can't think of many proven PL goalscorers that are available, and at this price (though apparently the agent's fees linked to the buy-out clause are very steep).

    Not sure about Ba for Arsenal, but I think Wenger needs to bring in another goalscorer. We've managed some better results of late, but that's not unexpected seeing as we've had easier games. I've been saying we had to be 4th by the Southampton game (1st Jan) in order to put ourselves in a good position to finish 4th. If we win our game in hand, we would be 4th on goal difference over Spurs. After tomorrow's game, it's City (H), Chelsea (A) and Liverpool (H) in the next four. The consensus was we needed another forward when we were 'in crisis' after the last tough run of games; if we struggle again then we'd be in the same position but the January window would have come and gone. It's a tough decision though, in light of Walcott and Giroud both looking better of late, but they haven't proven anything until we get results against the top teams.

    I think it will be really tight between Spurs and ourselves this year; objectively I'd probably rate Spurs as slight favourites. Unfortunately they are playing at home on the last day of the season, so little chance of another bad batch of lasagna in a Docklands hotel!
     
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    Chelsea need a midfielder and a striker.

    They should sign Mario Gotze, Ilkay Gundogan and Falcao for 100 million and ditch the likes of Mikel and co. Maybe throw Sneijder in there too if his contract mess at Inter doesn't get sorted out. Perhaps a more ecnomically friendly option in the back of midfield would be Michael Bradley, who after stuttering at Aston Villa has improved by leaps and bounds at Roma, where he is now learning from De Rossi as to how to be a kickass central midfielder.

    He'd sell a sh*t ton of shirts here in the States as well.
     
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    Gotze, Gundogan and Falcao in January? Can't see that happening! :)

    A striker and a midfielder are very much needed, absolutely. When you think about it, we've done very well to be in the position we are half way through the season, the sheer lack of numbers in those two areas is far too high.

    They seem to be keeping it pretty quiet in terms of targets, Taison seems to be the only one that keeps cropping up. Not really sure why we need another attacking midfielder though if i'm honest.
     
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    Well it is the holiday season, hopefully Roman left a few gifts in his closet that he forgot to place under the tree!

    I'll settle for Falcao, though.
     
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    Oh, I figured I'd mention this here:

    When I graduate Uni in the summer, I've landed a job in Brazil!!! I'll be moving to Sao Paolo for a few years. Consider this an open invitation for all of you lot who plan on making it to 2014.
     
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    Congratulations! What is it you'll be doing there?

    Looks like Negredo could be the striker, the price seems to be about the same as Lewandowski. I know which i'd prefer!
     
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    Sao Paolo, I have visions of the beautiful game, beautiful girls, Guga and surfing, not necessarily in that order lol. :)
     
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    I'll be teaching English at a private school whilst helping my dad's company (an international investment fund focused on educational institutions in developing countries) improve their English curriculum. I'll probably also be tutoring a few Brazilian who do business in the English-speaking world.

    And doing the main thing someone does when they go to Brazil: play and watch football. Oh yeah, and enjoy the nice weather too.

    I'll be this board's unofficial scout of new emerging Brazilian talents, since there seems to be an unlimited supply of them.


    I'd take the Pole, Negredo is older and Lewandowski is more physically suited to the Premier League and has a better shot to boot.

    Bolded for emphasis.
     
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    What do you think of Ba going to Chelsea? He's no Falcao but seems a great signing to me and puts pressure on Torres to start getting goals as Ba has been better than him for the last 2.5 years since he's come to England at West Ham.

    Not sure how good his one touch play is as Newcastle play more long ball but seems a perfect fit and has everything you'd want in a forward as long as his knee problem doesn't act up.
     
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    You said it best - he's no Falcao. I think that sums it up nicely. Cisse would have been better, he gets cooler goals.

    I would prefer Suarez if Chelsea wanted a player who could play 1-touch-football, but Liverpool won't sell him.
     
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    Congrats mang! If only it had been in Rio, I'd be pining for somewhere to stay so I could be a volunteer in 2018 :p
     
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    Rio is only 2 1/2 hours from Sao Paulo by car, faster by train. And I think it's around 30 minutes by air. And while the Olympics are cool, I'd take the World Cup over that any day of the week.

    With that being said I do intend to travel to Rio for the final if it's a good match.
     
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    Better opening ceremonies, less lulls in excitement across the 16 days, more likable personalities, everyone booing Sepp Blatter, it's no wonder I'd take the Games again in a heartbeat. :D
     
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    Congrats on the impending graduation and on the job, Nick.

    Are Chelsea playing David Luiz in midfield now? Seems sensible enough, seeing as he burst forward so much and got caught out of position as a defender.
     
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    He wasn't particularly good against Everton and he's still liable to poor short passes and dodgy tackles which he somehow gets away with. His saving grace is that he isn't Mikel.
     
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    And with Ba gone, Cisse scores on the second minute. I am guessing he will be played in a central role now?
     
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    I thought he was pretty good against Everton. Lampard was the better of the two, but that's not a huge surprise.

    You're never really going to dominate against a good team like Everton, at Goodison, but i think it was a very good performance under the circumstances.
     
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    What the hell? Rafa drops Hazard, Mata and Cole?

    Regardless of opposition, doing that is stupid. Awful tactics.
     
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    Yeah, he should of started with Mata and Hazard. QPR parked the bus, an early goal is vital in those kind of games.

    He could of made changes and taken them off if it was 2-0 with half an hour to go. Especially as it's the FA Cup at the weekend and he's been know to rest players for it.

    I think the fact we don't have many options is a good thing with Benitez as manager. At least he can't change the team too much from game to game! He loved that at Liverpool.
     
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    I can't remember how many games it took Torres to get two goals! Ba held it up well, we've not had that all season since Drogba left.

    I see Man Utd are up to their old tricks :)
     
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    We've got Demba Ba, we've got Demba Baaaaaaa, f*ck off Torres, we've got Demba Ba!

    Amazing. Fena, I think it took Torres 2 seasons or so before he had a brace for Chelsea against a decent opponent.


    And what the hell happened at Upton Park? I watched the match and didn't believe what I was seeing.
     
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    I was thinking more of how long it took him to get two under his belt :) I remember his first against West Ham, it took 903 minutes! Not sure how long after his second came.

    I see some of the papers are saying Chelsea have agreed a fee of £15 Million for Isco, not sure if it's true. He's a great player, but it would be better spending the money on someone who can do something in the engine room. Benat is the same price, but I think he would fit our needs better at the moment.
     
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    Benat is awesome but I don't think Betis will let him go considering how high up in the table they are. After Malaga's shock loss at the Riazor today Betis are joint 4th place, leaving them several points above 6th place Valencia. No club that size would let their best player leave in January when they could possibly qualify for Champions League football with him in their arsenal for the remainder of the season.
     

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