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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. NickC

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    Yeah I was not happy about what happened.

    I wonder when retroactive punishment and post-match review will be implemented. It is used for some sport here in the US and it works well.
     
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    Speaking of nasty challenges-what about the challenge where Torres raked his spikes across Agurero's achilles, are we going to ignore that.

    How about the elbow that sideshow Bob aimed at Aguero shortly before he retaliated.

    I agree it was a nasty challenge and he probably should have been sent off but Torres likely should have as well, he shredded his leg.

    Maybe a pen to Toure as well, if he had gone down easier and was smaller in stature, he probably would have gotten one. Chris Foy let them play today and I like that.

    Chelsea have made it hard on themselves today and against Utd in leg one by waiting until they're well behind to start playing.


    You guys have a great side but it's tough to win after giving City a cushion like that, if City had finished better, it would have been 4 nil in the first half.

    Chelsea's fight back in the last 20 minutes was great to watch.
     
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    Torres' tackle is something that happens, Barry hacked down Ramires when he had alot of space behind him. Both were yellow cards, they were just fairly bad tackles that you see every week.

    Luiz didn't really throw an elbow, it comes under the category of a shoulder barge or "using your body". Not exactly legal and something that shouldn't be part of the game imo, but you see it half a dozen times a game. Nothing is ever done about it. You see it when the ball is going out and defenders shield it and put their arms out to stop opponents getting to it. It's not pretty, but it's not something that gets penalised.

    As for Chelsea not starting well, is that really a surprise? It was our 6th game in 15 days, we were in Russia with a 3 hour time difference a couple of days ago, the flight is the longest you can get in Europe too. We've been to Prague, Romania, Russia, had that week in Japan at the start of the year etc.. We've played more games than anyone, with a fairly small squad. You'd forgive the players for not even knowing what City they are in with the sheer number of games and travelling they have done. As much as i'd like the team to come out firing for every one of the 75 games we will probably play this year, it just isn't going to happen.
     
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    I'm not trying to get rowdy with you :)

    But with 20 players out on loan, you think they might have planned better.

    What are your thoughts on Terry? Is he past it now or does he still have something to offer. With a stiff defense, you guys would be tough to beat for the title.
     
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    No, I know you aren't :) i'm with you on it, the slow starts are very frustrating. It's just something we've had to accept, even last week we went behind against Sunderland. It actually amazes me how well we've come back into games when the players must just be running on fumes and adrenalin to push themselves on.

    Personally, i'd of liked to of seen Terry play today. I think he would of prevented the Aguero goal, you can't see a little player like him getting a free header with Terry in the middle. I can understand not playing Lampard, he did get over run in midfield in the February game by Toure (who was the difference today, he always seems to be against us). But yes, Terry should really of played today. It might of been good to get Luiz in midfield to make room for it, I think Luiz would of had a better chance of matching Toure.
     
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    Why wasn't Luiz in the midfield today? Rafa had executed a masterstroke tactically earlier on in the season when he moved Luiz to a defensive midfield position and had him play the Kherida role. And then he moved him right back to center half. He is the best we've got when it comes to containing powerful midfielders who use brute force and speed to come into the attack, like Toure.

    What the hell is he thinking?
     
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    I think Benitez only saw it as an option in January, when Mikel was away in Africa. We did only have Lampard and Ramires, so he had to find someone from somewhere. I agree it would of been the best game to play him there, Toure always destroys us (he does the same to everyone to be fair :)). Ramires and Luiz is a combination who could of potentially blunted him slightly. If his effectiveness could of been limited, it may of been different.

    With all the talk about Mourinho returning, you can't help thinking it would of been the kind of move he would of pulled off. Even if he didn't, I can't imagine him waiting so long to make changes. It's not unheard of for him to make all his substitutions in the first 20 minutes if it's going badly wrong :) Rafa waited for the last 20 or so minutes, Ba scored straight away, but it was a bit too late in the end.
     
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    Further to this, spanking Newcastle 3-0 - what a fantastic result and way to impress your fans. I do like a manager who wears his heart on his sleeve...

    Re the crowd trouble/hooliganism of late, hmm, so it's back to that eh? Millwall certainly just never seems to change. I actually went there once many many moons ago. It was like reentering the dark ages, awful place and atmosphere.

    With that in mind, following on in the footsteps of I.D., Green Street (deary me) or Football factory, I wonder if we're now going to see a resurgence of that great British film sub-genre - the football hooligan flick!
     
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    Probably a good job Chelsea didn't make it through to the final, Millwall fans managed to fight with each other.. imagine having Chelsea fans in the other end? It's not really what you'd want to see at a final.
     
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    Very funny! Is City v Wigan a grudge match? They are just about near enough to each other, but maybe Wigan is still far enough from Liverpool for the antagonisms to be contained.
     
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    I was too busy running a marathon at the weekend, what's the deal with Aguero's two footed stamp not being punished?
     
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    Not entirely sure what result I want tonight re Everton - Arsenal. Don't want the gooners racking up the points. Don't want Everton making a serious CL place challenge. Is a draw the best thing for us? Whatever, a lot of intense matches still to be played for Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, etc.
     
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    Unless you're a Manchester fan (either flavor), it's a new world. Now I have to worry about Spurs and Everton and Newcastle (last year) taking "our" spot lol.

    The battle for 4th over the last few years has been a tough one as so many teams are competitive in that area of the table.

    I always want a draw when other contenders are playing.

    I see the Utd team sheets and other than RvP, I don't see how they have such a big gap but it is what it is, they win when they need to.

    I do think if City had been in the mood for the rest of the year, it would have been much tighter.
     
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    The referee saw it and gave the foul, so the FA say they can't go back and punish him. If the referee hadn't seen the incident, then they could of.

    I'm not really sure why a free kick around the half way line is considered an adequate punishment, but there you go.

    If you do what Aguero did in a Sunday league game, you'd be arrested. It's disgusting.
     
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    It was pretty bad.

    Now I know how you guys felt last Sunday. Gibson should have been tossed for a 2nd yellow yesterday but the ref decided to let Everton play rugby instead.

    Not a pretty game by any means but a good result for you & Ross.
     
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    Just caught a replay of the Arsenal - Everton game. Missed it live as I'm currently on holiday in Viet Nam (8pm BST kick off = 3am), and it's disappointing to find that what the PL official feed dishes up to the rest of the world is Ian Dowie on a sofa droning on about how football nowadays is "too sanitised" and that Gibson's fouls were just "good, strong tackles."

    Definitely think we needed to win that one though, if we were to have the luxury of losing to United. Now we have to get at least a draw against them, and quite possibly a win. With Giroud less than clinical up front, I'm just hoping Spurs and Bale don't enter another hot streak to end the season.
     
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    It was indeed. In Sunday league football the player would of been sent off, for the challenge itself and for the safety of the player. If he stayed on the pitch, you can guarentee the other team would be trying to snap his leg.

    To think a top level referee didn't see it is crazy! Especially as he gave the foul anyway.

    As for Chelsea tonight, we looked pretty good. Back in 3rd, Mourinho has told people in Spain he won't be there next year, Schurrle is signing in the next couple of weeks. For now, things are going ok :)
     
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    Schurrle is awesome but why would Chelsea sign him? We've got enough players in his position already, even if we decide to use De Brunye as a makeweight, which would be bad because De Brunye is one of the few wingers on our books. Should we not be looking to sign a defensive midfielder who Essien can help teach, perhaps a proper replacement (finally) for Makelele, who simply keeps things under control in midfield and makes the interception and the simple pass.


    Did you see Luiz's goal? Holy crap!
     
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    Agreed, he's not really needed (Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Moses, de Bruyne, Marin, Piazon, Schurrle etc.. with only 3 of them being able to start is a bit much). All I can think of is that the club feel they can't get Cavani or Falcao, maybe they see alot of potential in Schurrle as a striker and hope he can be the answer long term. Until then getting it done by committee with him, Torres and Ba is the way they want to go.

    Schurrle always seems to get stuck out wide on the left, he manages to stand out there, but I think his versatility is costing him. He can run all day, he's hugely disciplined and helps out defensively so managers put him out on the wing. Given the chance as a striker, he could do very well.

    Alternatively they can stick him on the wing to offer more balance alongside Mata and Hazard, when he plays for Germany he gets that role whilst the likes of Gotze, Reus and Ozil do their own thing. I think if we get Shaw in the summer he would be useful too, the left back is still raw so a bit of extra help defensively will hopefully make his transition easier.

    I think he's a player that teams aren't going to be scared about us getting, but will make us stronger in a few areas.

    Luiz's goal, incredible :) i'm still trying to work out how he got so much movement on the ball. Schwarzer is a great keeper but he couldn't get close.
     
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    to be fair Torres did recognise this and gave Aguero a nice kick to the achilles which seems to have carried over aggravating his injuries to the Wigan game and possibly Spuds, can't say it's undeserved but you seem to have gotten your wish :)
     
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    Haha maybe! Torres the enforcer, protecting his centre backs. At least we've finally found something he's good at :)
     
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    Simple answer: he's Brazilian. Being from Brazil automatically means you can do outworldly things with the ball when the situation calls for it. We had a dude last week come out for our weekly indoor game and he claimed that despite being Brazilian (he's an exchange student), he wasn't very good and was probably worse than all of us. Turns out his definition of "not very good" was much different than what we define as "not very good". We have a number of guys that come out who played for the local community college (the #1 community college program in the country) as well as a good deal of guys who played at Real Salt Lake's residential academy which is an hour up the road from here.


    He made them all look like they'd never played the game before. Tricks, skills, no-look passes, shots from half-court, etc.... It was absurd.
     
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    Roma kicked Inter's but once more. Now do the final against Lazio. Who are beyond horrible without Klose. They need him and need him to yesterday
     
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    I've never actually played with anyone from Brazil. It doesn't surprise me to hear his "not very good", is pretty amazing by the rest of the World's standards! :)

    So alot going on with Chelsea today.

    [​IMG]


    It looks like Mourinho has been offered the contract he wants and his exit plan for Real Madrid is coming together.

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    Next seasons kit is better than I was expecting. David Luiz is a legend, What's with the face!?

    Finally, the deal for Schurrle should be done before the start of next week.
     
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    That's hysterical. Looks like Luiz is doing his Derek Zoolander 'blue steel' look here - LOL! :)

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    Haha! It actually is, maybe he's saving Magnum for the away kit launch :)
     
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    LEDGENDARY. Best post I've read in a while.
     
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    Sneak preview pic from the Luiz/away kit launch photo shoot just out! :)

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    When he's not smashing them in from 30 yards, he's pulling off magnum! There really is no end to his talents haha. I'm liking how he's gone with the makeup for the away kit, it could catch on.
     
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    Feels a bit like all or nothing tomorrow against City...

    The likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, City all playing so well right now and have the momentum. Lots for all of us to play for of course, but a loss will surely deal Spurs a killer blow. I don't think a draw even is too great. Terrible result against Fulham truly set us back.

    Anyhow, what will be, will be, and all of that. TBH I don't have quite the same wretched feeling as during last year's capitulation under Harry, which IMO was far harder to forgive.
     
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    If it makes you feel better, I don't think we will get 3 points away to Liverpool. I'm just hoping we at least match what Spurs do.
     
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    Arsenal lack a killer instinct. While it looks cool sometimes, the passing game gets old if nobody has the balls to shoot (either in the box or out of it) and the passing patterns are very predictable as was the case this afternoon, it seemed quite obvious that they wanted to push the ball out through the wing.

    Arsene needs new blood and a few changes to his tactics and philosophy.
     
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    What a coincidence, my two new favorite teams are playing tomorrow and i'm hoping for a win each from City and Pool :twisted:

    We were fortunate to get 3 today from Fulham, wished they'd played that tough against you guys on Wednesday.
     
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    What is it with JT's? Terry puts Fulham away midweek, then Tavares gets the shootout winner to effectively put the Islanders back in the playoffs for the first time in 6 years :)

    Fingers crossed Terry gets a couple at Anfield tomorrow to keep the run going!
     
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    Great to see my lot are still at the races. A bonus too that Liverpool equalised so late on against Chelski.

    And you can't help but shake your head re Suarez... what is it with the likes of him and John Terry? Seems like you can always count on them to tarnish their impeccable footballing credentials and let their teams down with some bit of lunacy.
     
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    He handles the ball, he bites people and he also scores, what a nutter.

    Good, entertaining game,impressed with Hazard as always and like the fact that he stays on his feet now. Scary to think how good he will become.

    Ross, your boys looked good in the second half today, Defoe picked a good time to end a four month drought. Funny that two of the four goals were by ex gunners.
     
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    Hear what you're saying... scary to think how good Arsenal could be now if they'd held on to a few of their A list talent... a situation that of course we are facing re Bale and all the ludicrous sums being spoken of... talking of which, I'd understand Levy succumbing to 50 mill + offers or whatever, but IMO Bale is simply irreplaceable.
     
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    Just what is going on with football today? I counted 5 bookable offences for Carragher, not including the pull back when Torres was through and he was the last man. Sturridge should of been off for a horrific studs up challenge on Bertrands shin.

    Then we move on to Suarez, you can apparently bite an opponent, not get sent off and score in the 7th minute of injury time, oh yeah, it was set up by Sturridge too, so 2 of the 3 players who should of been off combined for the equaliser.

    You can bite Chelsea players, you can stamp on us with two feet and get away with it. We missed out on an FA Cup final last week, we could of missed out on Champions League football after today. There are just no words for it.
     
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    So that's just how it goes these days I guess.

    Imagine if he did that bite away to United?
     
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    If i'm honest, I don't think it would of made much of a difference.

    The bite was just so bad that there is no coming back from it, whoever he did it to. I think there's a high probability that was his last game in England, I hope for Liverpool's sake that it is. I'm not particularly keen on the club, but they deserve alot better than him. He's done so many shocking things, both in Holland, England and for his National side, you sense he's pretty messed up and any game that goes by without incident, you almost have to breath a sigh of relief.

    I hope they get rid of him in the summer, the length of his ban will mean he probably won't be playing any time soon anyway. I'm sure they could get around £45 Million for him from Bayern or Madrid, get rid of the trash and bring in a Falcao, Lewandowski or Cavani, all of them are upgrades on him as a person and a player.

    To think of the way he's acted around this time, with the moments of silence and the way the club are reflecting on what happened 24 years ago. For him to go and do that and totally show the club up, to lower them to his standards at this of all times. He needs to be gone.
     
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    Yes, Suarez is surely going to be sold on now. Think he wants out anyway, and Liverpool bound to get big bucks. Win-win situation all around.

    Have to say a word or two of praise re AVB yesterday. Such an outstanding decision to totally change up the CM with his subs and go for it full on. Hudd (could be such a great player if it wasn't for injuries and his comatose elephant-like pace) can actually thread passes and find people. Holtby made a difference with his energy and spirit. Defoe did exactly what he tries to do every match - and it worked this time. (You can give me him over Emmanuel A any day of the week.) Anyhow, same time last season you certainly never saw Redknapp making such sweeping tactical changes.
     
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    AVB did well yesterday, a stark contrast to what Benitez pulled off. Starting Torres instead of Ba, even though we have Europa League on Thursday? Wrong decision, especially seeing how lethargic he looked (apart from when he was through on goal and pulled back by Carragher). Also bringing on Benayoun was about the worst decision he could of made at the time, the fans were singing "you don't know what you're doing", only for Liverpool to get the equaliser from his area of the pitch. Why didn't he bring Terry on when he knew they were going to be putting everything into the box? Terry gets his head on everything.

    I also didn't like how he represented the club after the game, he was determined not to say a bad word about Liverpool or Suarez. He said this week he wants to go back and manage Liverpool, but to have a manager who isn't fighting for justice for my club is very poor.

    As for Suarez, I still don't know why he was so obvious about it. He's the toothiest git around, a set of gnashers like he has are rare. All he had to do was bury his face in Ivanovic's arm to get the desired effect, going for an all out open jawed chomp wasn't necessary :)
     
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    I could see Real, Barca or Bayern shelling out that cash for him, but I can't see how on earth any of those players you mention would wind up at Liverpool...the money is there yes but for any one of those three Liverpool is a major step down from their current club in terms of being able to offer European football or to challenge for a league title.
     
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    You're probably right. Even so, selling Suarez and Carroll should get them more than enough for a couple of strikers. They got Suarez and Torres for around £20 Million each, i'm sure they could do it again.
     
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    Well, it can't be said Utd didn't deserve the title. They've been head and shoulders above everyone else. I do wish they could have delayed things until after the Arsenal game though. Can just see Utd fielding a few players who might not have got the nod had the title been still there to play for. And you know Wenger/AFC will be going for it full on.
     
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    LOL, I didn't want to see the guard of honor at the Emirates. He will probably field the scrubs now and we'll win 3-1....ha ha
     
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    Yeah but Liverpool were top 4 when they signed Torres and were in the Champions League when Suarez signed in his first season.

    They were a much better club back then than when Suarez signed.

    They have regressed a bit, and it's certainly likely they'll rise up one of these days, but big players have to be convinced that it's the right club to join. And Liverpool doesn't give off the credentials that would make a top player likely to join. No European football, no stability, etc...
     
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    Nasty rumour going round that Bayern are signing Mario Goetze! Why couldn't they have gone for Schurrle instead? : (
     
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    You could be right. You have to wonder how much respect Rodgers gets at Liverpool, the way Suarez acts is ingrained in him and he's pretty disturbed, but would he really act on his impulses as much as he does with a manager he really respects? It was strange seeing Benitez sitting there whilst the Liverpool fans sang his name and he waved to them, with Rodgers sitting a few feet away with his hands in his pockets.
     
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    City actually have tons more quality than United, thing with United is that they know how to consistently grind out results. A deserved title, but for some reason don't think they'll win too many from now on.

    As a gunner,
    I'm inclined to say next year is our year, but have so little faith in the Arsenal squad I don't really know what to expect anymore.

    Bayern/Barca will be good. Bayern will I think win
     

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