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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Feña14

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    I don't think any team is that good. Man Utd have been ok, nothing more than average really. I think Arsenal, Chelsea and most Man Utd teams of the past 20 years would of walked their way to the title. City are ok, Toure is what makes them work and Aguero is a great player, but apart from that? Meh. Kompany had a good season last year, but has dropped off, Silva had a good first 6 months when he came, but has been a shadow of himself ever since. Arsenal and Spurs have been great, but not consistent enough. Chelsea have played poorly since the closing weeks of the Di Matteo reign. It's been a pretty poor season all around, for me anyway.

    Looks like it's happened yeah, £31 Million is less than I expected him to go for. Why would you prefered them to get Schurrle instead? I can't imagine him being a Guardiola type of player.
     
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    Gotze for only 31 million?!?!?!?!?! And to think that Chelsea, Barcelona, Madrid, United, et. all didn't put in a bid for him? Madness.

    Chelsea should try to tempt Bayern with a bid for Schwienstiger. He would be awesome in England.
     
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    I honestly think Brendan isn't given a fair shake with Liverpool supporters. Gerrard hasn't been at his best, the whole team doesn't play with the passion I've come to expect from Liverpool. The only one who does give a damn it seems is Suarez, and regardless of what happens to him with this latest escapade, he's on the out. He's too good for them unfortunately...the way he scores and beats players on the regular, is just a class above what Liverpool's squad can offer at the moment and that's simply not good enough. Yeah he's a lunatic, but he is too skilled for Liverpool. He'll head off to Madrid or Barcelona or maybe even Milan or Turin. But his skillset is just too technical for English football, he is just too good for Liverpool's current standing.

    Poor Liverpool. And to think that they think they're going to sign Eriksson ahead of United, Valencia, Milan (either), Dortmund (if this nasty rumor about Goetze is true) or even Arsenal?

    Yeah right.
     
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    37 Million Euro's apparently yeah. I'm surprised Dortmund would sell to a rival like that, as you say, most teams in Europe want him. I'd of thought a bidding war over the summer would of got them the most money, and he probably would of ended up in Spain. Doesn't look like they will be getting the Bundesliga back anytime soon, it's always unhealthy for a League to have the second best team as a feeder for the top dog.
     
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    Yeah that's managed to f*ck up a lot of the lower leagues, a "big club" or two of these have managed to suck up practically all the resources and it's harder and harder for the little guys to survive without selling to the big dogs, and when the little guy is the dude who finishes second, then you've got a huge problem on your hands. Fortunately Germany will be able to solve this one, they usually have a good idea.

    That solution might be having Klopp pop up at Real Madrid and then crushing the **** out of Bayern in European matches though. Klopp with an unlimited budget is scarier than Mourinho with an unlimited budget as Klopp likes to play attacking football.
     
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    Booo! Nobody is better than Mourinho :)

    But yeah, it will be a real shame if the deal has gone through. It's almost like Dortmund are resigning themselves to second fiddle. I'd love Schweinsteiger at Chelsea, always have done. There was talk of it in Ballacks earlier years at the club, Schweinsteiger asked alot of questions about what it was like in England etc.. I can't see it ever happening though, especially as he's exactly the type of player Guardiola loves.

    I'll be interested to see what Dortmund do with the money anyway, no doubt they will have to get some kind of replacement in.
     
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    They've probably got a dozen or so youngsters waiting in the wings, some no doubt more talented than Goetze; and probably a few dozen players across Asia, South America and the USA that haven't been heard of that he'll end up signing.
     
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    Well they had a bid for de Bruyne rejected by Chelsea last week, maybe that was a hint that they would be losing Goetze. I think there will be alot of changes with both transfers and managers changing clubs this summer. The two best strikers around in Falcao and Cavani will probably be at new clubs, no doubt Guardiola will bring in a few at Bayern. Mourinho, Moyes, Mancini, Ancelotti, Klopp, Benitez etc... they could all be swapping clubs too.
     
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    Dortmund couldn't reject the offer since the amount offered triggered the minimum fee release clause in Gotze's contract. So they didn't have much say in the sale of him.
     
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    Interesting to see Barca, for once, not being most people's tip to go through. Will be fascinating to see if the Germans can pull off a big win - and I mean big, because 1-nil, even a 2-0 victory is leaving a side like Barca something of a chance most likely.
     
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    I would love to see the Germans smash them. Hell, if Milan can, BM def has a shot.
     
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    I didn't know that. He has always been linked to clubs and the price quoted was £40 Million+.

    It looks like Bayern are favourites to get Lewandowski too. I wonder if that signals the end for Klopp? He's always said he feared the Bundesliga turning into the Scottish league with Celtic making it a one team league. England looks far more competitive, with 5 teams all fairly close together. I could see him at City or Arsenal for sure.
     
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    Consider them smashed. :wink:
     
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    Bayern just had Barca beat Physically today, at times they were a little too brutal but Robben was a boss tonight. Just another efficient performance by Munich. As usual.
     
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    Would love to see an all German final....

    Barcelona were terrible today though. Couldn't tell that Messi was on the pitch
     
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    That third goal though... the guy just bulldozed him :D
     
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    I wonder if this is the start of the Bayern era. They have done very well in Europe over the last few years, now they've beaten Barcelona 4-0, are bringing in Guardiola, Gotze and possibly Lewandowski.

    I can see them being the favourites for the next 4-5 seasons.

    Now I just hope Dortmund can make it through aswell, that would be a great final.
     
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    Not to take anything away from how totally Bayern had the measure of Barca this evening, but that third goal was completely outrageous. Since when are you allowed to full on body-check your opponent?
     
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    Do UEFA intend for Bayern and Madrid to share the trophy?

    I expect Madrid to get three penalties, Dortmund to have two players sent off and Pepe and Arbeloa will trip, stamp and dive their way to 87th minute bookings for time wasting tomorrow night.
     
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    Wow. That was something else.


    However, I think Madrid have the physicality to contend with Bayern.

    It would have been great, though, for Mou to win Madrid their coveted decima against Barcelona of all sides, and then stroll down to Chelsea whilst sticking up two fingers at Madrid's management and the Spanish media.
     
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    I'd take that prediction down the bookie if I were you - you'd probably get some wicked odds on all that happening. If all goes to plan you'd be able to retire tomorrow evening I reckon.
     
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    It looks like PSG have reached an agreement for Cavani. It's strange how the season isn't over but alot of top players are already on the move.
     
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    I don't know but I enjoyed the hell out of it :twisted:

    They are so Messi centric now. I always wondered how barca would fare against a physical side and a ref that allowed physical play.

    I guess I have the answer. Real and BM would be an epic final.

    And to think BM had to start without Manzukic.

    Alexis Sanchez is so overrated
     
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    Mandzukic isn't even that good but has been fit all season whereas Gomez hasn't.
     
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    From an article in tomorrows paper:

    "Chelsea are so committed to signing Falcao, 27, this summer that they have spurned the chance to negotiate a deal for Cavani, 26. The Uruguayan has long been a favourite of owner Abramovich and technical director Michael Emenalo.

    The Napoli forward’s representatives recently approached Chelsea officials about a potential summer switch, indicating Stamford Bridge would be Cavani’s preferred destination should he move to England. But Chelsea waived the option given their commitment to the Falcao deal"
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    Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket, I hope they know what they're doing.
     
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    I wonder if Cavani bites as well.
     
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    Haha, I think there's only room for one biter up front for Uruguay :)

    I wonder where he'll end up, he's scored alot of goals this year, but he hasn't played as well as he did the last few seasons. £60 Million is a risk of sorts I think.
     
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    Outrageous timing for this Gotze's announcement. Someone should lost his head for that.
    Anyone saw Valencia vs Malaga this weekend? Hilarious stuff
     
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    I thought Falcao was going to Utd?
     
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    I agree fully. It was classless and awful for both teams involved.

    And to hear that Bayern tapped him up (i.e had approached him with regards to paying his buy-out fee) before they had made any kind of official contact with Dortmund. Horrible.
     
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    suarez been banned for 10games.

    psg have denied attempting to buy cavani - most likely true - as how would ibrah and cavani play together. both really same player
     
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    Bayern München, they sign who they like. Javi Martinez's move there last summer was pretty ugly too iirc.
     
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    Did you see the Hoeness interview last month? He basically put down every other club, saying nobody has the class that Bayern have. I had to laugh when I read it, now a few weeks later he anounces the signing of their biggest rivals best player two days before their Champions League semi final. Yeah, really classy Bayern.

    He always gets linked with City, Chelsea and Madrid. It's only in the last few weeks Man Utd have been mentioned, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense I don't think. They have van Persie, Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck.. i'd of thought Ferguson would look to strengthen the midfield instead of bringing in a 5th striker.
     
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    #SpainFail

    La Liga looks pretty weak after the last two days.

    An finishing clinic being put on today. You can have Goetze, I'll take Lewandowski he's been on fire since the Euro's last summer.
     
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    **** mine.
     
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    Pretty inevitable after tonights hammering, but Bild and Marca both have the story..

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    Mourinho and Falcao, yeah that will work for me :)
     
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    The special one... or should that be the quite not so special one?

    Well, whatever happens hence with Chelsea or whoever, as it certainly appears RM are out (barring a miracle), I find it interesting that arguably Mourinho's spell at Real, with all the funding in the world and a few years to achieve his aims, will likely be considered a failure.

    BTW, with rumours of Zidane and others in the running for the Madrid head post, and with Jose's and others before him failing to win the one that perhaps counts most - the Champions League, why don't they go in for DiMatteo?! I'm still non-plussed by the decision to jettison him so early considering he actually won the CL, and it's not as if CFC were spiralling down the league table either.
     
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    I'm with you on Di Matteo, we were 4 points off the lead at the time I think. To get rid of him was a bad decision, Abramovich gets a bad rap for getting rid of managers but i've agreed with alot of his decisions.

    As for Mourinho's achievements at Real, personally I don't think they're all that great of a team. They're very good, but not as good as the likes of Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Being knocked out of the Champions League by those two, whilst losing the La Liga to Barcelona aren't huge disgraces.

    Either way, it will be interesting to see who replaces him in the summer and how well they do. Whoever their manager is, it's hard to see them topping Barcelona and Bayern.
     
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    Klopp will replace him, especially after yesterday. MARCA were going nuts about how awesome he is in the past week leading up to the match, and after yesterday it's hard to see Madrid not giving him a huge offer and a matching massive transfer budget. Plus, this current Dortmund side will be sold off relatively soon, Hummels to Barcelona is practically a done deal, Gundogan is off within a season or two, Reus will move to a bigger club, Shain returns to Madrid, Lewandowski will head to United if Falcao doesn't sign (or Chelsea?), Kuba is getting up there in years, Subotic will probably go to Arsenal sooner or later, etc...

    Yeah there's tons of quality in their reserves and youth ranks and they're getting Son from Hamburg this summer, but little by little the club is going towards a transitional period.
     
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    Congrats to the Chelski fans around these parts. Thought the blues did a superb job and made an under par Basel looked a pale imitation of the team who not that long ago were beating the likes of Bayern, Man U, Spurs, etc.

    Oh, and that penalty? Three words will suffice... Oh... my... god... :shock:

    BTW, funny seeing Federer there eh?
     
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    I'm not sure about Klopp leaving, I can't see him going to a club like Chelsea or Madrid, he just doesn't seem the type to work under the conditions. I really hope they get to hold on to their big players, with the exception of Gundogan of course! It's pretty gutting to think i've been wanting him for 3 years, back when he was at Nurenberg. Now the likes of Barcelona and Madrid are after him and his price is £20 Million+, bad times.

    I see the tradition of shocking decisions is showing no signs of stopping. In the Quarters there were 2 poor penalties go against us, another one again today, Aguero stamping on Luiz, Suarez biting Ivanovic, Sturridge escaping a red card at the weekend before setting up the equaliser. Our luck has to change soon, surely!
     
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    I thought it was a poor game overall, but as an away team in Europe, it was a decent performance I think.

    Yeah that penalty, Basel players and fans appealed for everything all game, as you would expect. It was funny the only one they didn't appeal for as it was so clearly not a penalty, they got :)

    I was worried for Federer, did you see him finding his seat for the second half? He had to hop over some seats to get there, I thought he was going to put his back out again :)
     
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    That was an odd one to be sure. Bad refereeing, terrible penalty given, Federer in the stands, strange.
     
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    He's been a Basel fan all his life, I know if I was as famous as he is i'd be making the most of it by going to every Chelsea game! :) all 80 of them this season haha.

    Funny to wake up and see the PM having a say on the Suarez situation, calling him an "appalling example", nice one Dave!
     
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    RE the upcoming Arsenal-Man U game, I'm hearing alarming things about Fergie maybe giving a run-out to 18-year old kids, peripheral squad players, and probably the kit man, physio, and Sir Bobby Charlton himself.

    And as for the so called 'guard of honour'? Do me a favour, please!

    All I can say is I hope the Arsenal faithful give Van Persie absolute hell for the whole match, something akin to how we used to greet Sol Cambell on his return visits to the Lane.

    However it comes, a little extra help may be needed to get Man U fully firing, I fear.
     
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    Probably one of the most universally agreeable statements any MP has ever made!
    Oh come now, you lot like Sol just as much as we love Ince!
    Getting a little paranoid about Fergie and his rotation Ross, I was wondering what Rooney had done to not be allowed to play up front anymore? Has he offended someone and I missed it in the news?
     
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    Hard to argue with that! I wonder if he's played his last game for Liverpool.

    I don't see why he would play the kids, it's not like they still have the Champions League or FA Cup, so totally changing the team doesn't make alot of sense.

    I don't think it will matter much anyway, I think Arsenal will get 3rd regardless. Spurs will get 4th, you don't have to worry too much about that. Our remaining games are tough, Swansea on Sunday for example, and that's one of the easier ones! Ahh well, 5th is still an improvement on last years 6th.
     
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    Speaking of Gundogan, de Bruyne wants Chelsea to accept the Dortmund offer. I'm thinking we see how much they really want him and offer a swap :)

    It's tough seeing Matic at Benfica, he's favourite to be player of the year in Portugal this season. We sent him there as part of the Luiz deal, now he's wanted by Man Utd and Juventus with a £45 Million release clause. He reminds me of Toure in midfield, how we could use someone like that. We can't keep giving up our best young players as part of deals, the only way i'd accept de Bruyne going would be if an equally talented midfielder came in return. With all the talent we have behind the striker and out wide, losing one to strengthen the base of midfield, which is our weakest area, is the only way it makes sense.
     
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    Funny, earlier on during the game I was fuming with disbelief. But nearing the end, a nirvanic moment of pure truth passed over me. :)

    Yes, the realisation suddenly dawned that we probably aren't actually quite good enough for a top 4 finish in the PL. We certainly aren't good enough to beat Wigan - either home or away this season (and BTW, we didn't deserve to draw today, we lucked out against a team fighting for their lives.)

    The complicating factor is that victories over Man U and City etc indicate that at playing at our very best, or beyond that, then, yes, we're top 4. But over a season, we may fall a little short. I don't know why, but for some reason this home truth, with a certain zen like acceptance, only registered this afternoon. Anyhow, what will be, will be, and all of that...

    Talking of which, what a trouncing, what a total annihilation and capitulation from Pardew's magpies, who are now looking nervously around and just below them in the table. :eek:
     

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