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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. PureAlph4

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    Great result at Swansea, with the bonus of a couple of nice goals, and Gnabry continuing to flourish.

    Definitely good to be top, and have the points on the board, but the harder fixtures are to come. A 3 week spell from 22 October goes Dortmund (H), Palace (A), Chelsea (H - League Cup), Liverpool (H), Dortmund (A), United (A) :shock:. Definitely need to keep the good form up and get players back from injury before that.

    Pellegrini's disjointed defence got caught out again today. The bigger the opposition, the more dangerous Villa's counter attack seems to be.
     
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    I actually thought it was one of the very best games I've EVER seen Torres play for Chelsea. Terry was also really impressive. Fortunately Mikel and Lampard kind of redressed the balance a bit. :wink: Seriously though, how about Mata? Somewhat predictably, he was brilliant and made a massive difference.

    Re Spurs, it's a long story and 'work in progress' will suffice, however, Dembele shone imo and a number of players gave me cause for some optimism based on the first half especially.

    What about you gunners though? Nice result V Swansea... Ramsay? Where's this form come from?... Flamini? How good is that signing looking now?... A very long way to go but with Utd in disarray, City looking iffy, Chelski so-so and Spurs not fully formed or whatever, though I say this through gritted teeth, you must be feeling pretty damn good about things... :)
     
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    I thought Chelsea were crap in the first half to be honest. Mikel is just painful to watch, it's as if Chelsea play a man down every time he steps on the pitch. Torres was good (shock!) and was very unlucky to be shown red.

    Mata was simply awesome...maybe Jose has to eat some humble pie and realize that Juan needs to start. Oscar is a work in development, and will come good. Until then, he has a 24-year old midfielder (who has won a few European Championships, a World Cup, and a few other titles) that can do the job quite well, thank you.


    The jury is still out on Arsenal seeing as half their team (it seems) is out with injuries. With that said I am very impressed with Ramsey. And Ozil wasn't at his best today but the setup for that first goal was incredible.
     
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    Torres has a habit of getting sent off when he plays well :) think he scored a great goal against Swansea early on his Chelsea career, then got sent off 2 minutes later for a two footed challenge. He has previous!

    Mikel and Lampard were actually pretty good, granted they weren't very good in the wider picture, but for an area that we've neglected more than a ginger kid, it was about as good as we could have hoped for.

    We were probably at our best when Townsend went off. Dembele was given man of the match, but he was Tottenham's best player imo.
     
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    Torres pace seemed to be back a little, very dangerous

    Dembele looked like a man among boys out there, they were bouncing off him like he was Iron Man. So strong on the ball.

    Re Rambo, I'd have been happy to shell out 30 mil for the way he's playing. Really lifted his level.

    Can't wait to get Santi and Theo back, Santi in particular will really click with Ozil.

    Anyone see the Madrid derby. WTF is going on with Real, they looked SO bad. Bale isolated out on the right.

    Ronaldo was a toothless tiger, AM had him totally contained.

    Diego Costa is a nasty piece of work but oh so effective. His attitude would be perfect in the PL :twisted:
     
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    Madrid will need several months to get it working. Madrid is practically rebuilding his team from start. A One commentator said CR7 is playing too much by the middle and needs to open more to the sides. I think that when Marcelo comes back he will find easier to do it with Marcelo support. Anyway, Modric has to start since the beginning in all matches IMO. He can became Real most valuable player.

    Man U match was by far the most entertainment that I saw this weekend
     
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    Agreed. Teams like Madrid, Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd etc.. will all talk a certain length of time to get everything settled. Same for Barcelona, they've not been great either.

    The Man Utd v West Brom game was great, everytime i've seen West Brom over the last year they've been very good. They're always fun to watch too. The best football in the Premier League this weekend was probably in the Tottenham v Chelsea game for me, just a shame both sides couldn't both play at their best at the same time :) instead they had one great half each. Thought Liverpool looked good aswell though, even with Suarez back, Sturridge is doing everything.
     
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    ManYoo :???::???::???:

    Big Trouble in Little Carrington...
     
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    I hope Jose gets his eyes hot-pokered where Mata is concerned and hates his guts enough to sell him to ManU! :twisted:
     
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    For me, it's been blown way out of proportion. Mata said in an interview this week that he came back late from the Confederations Cup, then picked up a quad injury in his first pre season game. He's only really been fit enough to play pain free since the last break for the National side.

    Yesterday Mourinho talked to him on the touchline when there was a break in play, he patted him on the back and that should be that, i'm fully expecting him to start on Tuesday.

    The media always like to make a huge deal out of things. They said Luiz had been dropped last week when he wasn't in the squad. He'd played twice for Brazil, flew back and played against Everton straight off the plane, then again a few days later against Basel. Thats 4 games and two flights in 14 days, Mourinho gave him a rest and the media started up stories about him being dropped, falling out with the manager, wanting to go to Barcelona lol. Since then he played against Swindon and again against Spurs.

    They just make up all these things about Mata and Luiz because they know they're the future of Chelsea and they want a reaction from Mourinho.
     
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    Fena, we are desperate!

    Under Fergie, we were playing badly and gettng away with it, not any more!
     
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    They aren't looking good, no doubt. Things will improve though.

    Mata probably isn't the kind of player you need anyway, he plays where Rooney does and he's carrying you so far this season. Man Utd are known for their flying wingers, Nani, Young, Valencia aren't really good enough imo. They also need to sort the defence out, Jones has been moved from right back to midfield to centre back throughout his career. Why play Ferdinand who is way past it? Just play Jones there this season, put your faith in him and don't move him around. He'll come good.

    Another factor is that Moyes just isn't that scary, with Ferguson teams were beaten mentally before they even went out there. That's gone now and teams like West Brom will come and have a good go.
     
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    There are so many idiots out there.

    Did you see all the questions about De Bruyne yesterday? The media seems obsessed with players who don't play. We have 7 players behind the main striker, De Bruyne is 7th choice. The last week we have had 3 games, he played 90 minutes in one of them.

    Mourinho gave them exactly what they deserved when he walked out. What next? Why isn't Blackman, our 4th choice keeper not in the squad? Pfft.

    They wouldn't ask Moyes why Zaha or Januzaj isn't playing, it's just trivial.

    The game tonight is big for us after the Basel loss, why not ask Mourinho about that? Not why a 7th choice player isn't playing.
     
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    Unfortunatelly didn't saw Chelsea vs Tottenham.

    Also didn't saw Liverpool's match. I have to say I am very surprised with them doing that well, especially without Suarez
     
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    Liverpool have looked good. What do you think of Coutinho? There was a poll here last week where people were asked who was better, Oscar or Coutinho, and Coutinho won by a distance!

    Couldn't believe that, Oscar is twice the player.
     
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    No way Coutinho is better than Oscar. Coutinho indeed played a decent season so far, but he ain't better than Coutinho.

    To be honest, all those British Teams look dull this season. I still think City made a major mistake by firing Roberto Mancini.
    United's lucky to have Rooney in good shape so far, otherwise things would be looking even worse for them. Their midfielders just suck balls.
    Chelsea still needs some time to get their §hit together, I'm sure the team is yet not sure what Mou exactly wants them to do, plus they badly need a decent defensive midfielder. Ramires sure as hell can't do that job.
    Arsenal is on a roll, though I think it's just a matter off time till the hype around Özil crackles, and they run out of puff halfway through the season.

    I don't expect too much from those English teams in this years CL season.
     
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    Totally agree, we're probably all around the quarter final level, at best.

    Chelsea have the best chance, but only if we fix that midfield problem you mention (so glad to hear someone else pick up on it, no other fans or anyone in the media has mentioned it, they actually think it's a strength!). It's unlikey we will fix it in January, but that's the only way we could go far.

    Arsenal's midfield doesn't give the fairly weak defence enough protection, Man Utd won't be winning it anytime soon with Moyes, City could do well with Pellegrini, he has a track record and they seem to be making it a priority.
     
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    I feel sure Jose will get it right with time but he's brought this on himself with his antics over the years in England, Italy and Spain.

    He's a genius and deserves full credit for his success but he's also a supreme jack@$$ and the media would like nothing better than to pick over his carcass.

    It's all fine and well to behave like that when you're on top but his success seems to have peaked a few years back.

    He'll get the job done but I'm sure the knives will be out for him until he turns it around.
     
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    I think so too, but to be fair to Arsenal they haven't had a fair roll of the dice with all those injuries. They may be hot, or for real, but nobody will know until Santi, Ox, Theo, etc... all get back from injury.

    Maybe Ozil could be just another great player, or maybe he could make THE difference. We don't know.

    We're only 6 games into the season...for all we know hell could freeze over next week and our planet as we know it could explode. Certainly knowing what's going to happen at Chelsea, United, Spurs, City, Pool, Arsenal, et. all is impossible.
     
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    His success peaked twice - at Porto and at Inter. He had an opportunity to have a more unlimited bank account than at Chelsea with Real Madrid, and even that didn't work out for him despite having Ronaldo.

    I like the guy but I think he's overrated. I can't see him lifting the UCL trophy with Chelsea anytime soon, as much as that pains me to say. And his football at Chelsea has been incredibly boring. We should adopt an "attacking football or you're fired" policy like they have at Barca, Madrid and Ajax.
     
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    The main issue at Madrid was that Real had and still has a ridiculously weak defense. Sure they got some big names with Ramos, Pepe (who looks like a malfunctioned bolldozer on the pitch) but their positional play in their own half is what I'd call junior level. I'm pretty sure that's what ****ed Mou off while in Madrid, those pigheads probably refused to adopt to Mou's changes, or they are simply incapable to do so, as their defense this season looks just as pathetic as last season. Their attacking game is/was just fine, though i think they should look out for a decent striker in the next transfer period. Benzema is horrible. Oh and I think they should always start with Modrid in their starting squad, they guy brings calmness and security into their game and is capable of opening up the field unlike Khedira who looks just stuporous out there.

    Back with Chelsea, Mou doesn't have that defensive issue, just look at what they did to Bayern in the Super Cup, their defense was INSANE, especially Cahill and Luiz were chasing down everything. As I said, I think they lack a decent defensive midfielder and probably a competitive striker. Torres is too inconsistent, Etoo way past his prime, Demba Ba ain't world class caliber. Cavani or Falcao would have been a great transfer, a pricey but steady striker.
     
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    Couldn't have put it better myself. The thing that amazes me is all these experts and most of our fans don't see the problems. When Van Ginkel got injured against Swindon the commentator said it's no problem as our midfield is so strong that we won't miss him. Sure, against Swindon we wouldn't, but in Europe and the League we're basically screwed with Ramies, Mikel and Lampard.

    The striker that probably best fits us is Lewandowski. That was never going to happen, which is a shame. The thing that amazed me about Torres at the weekend was his pace, he was as quick as he was 5 years ago so he obviously still has the pace in his legs. Must be a mental thing afterall, maybe Jose is starting to get the best out of him, there's nobody better out there at firing players up and giving them a purpose. Maybe it's happening with Torres, hopefully he plays tonight as he won't be playing again for awhile, which is unfair imo. What he did looks 10 times worse when they show it in super slow motion where it looks like he's scratching his face for a minute, in reality it was nowhere near as violent as the way they've manipulated the evidence to make it look.
     
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    As well as Ozil has played at times, Ramsey is carrying the team right now. It's not just the goals or the assists, it's the overall play. The guy does everything and never tires.
     
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    Ozil crackles?

    Not today, he didn't. Poor Napoli, Ozil raped them!
     
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    When I see marquee signings doing the business I'm saddened for ManYoo. Hwvr, we signed RvP last year so I guess you can't sign greats every season, not a good business model and unsustainable IMHO unless you're Real Madrid.

    Or Citeh...

    Or Chelsea..
     
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    When I saw him at Inter, I couldn't have any idea of why they hired him. He was just awful and never saw he doing anything mildly interesting.

    Now I saw him playing for Liverpool just once or twice and he played well but I still don't made an opinion

    Arsenal is not playing well just because of Ozil, everything is clicking for them. Even their defensive system is working very well, no space given, no dumb mistakes, Ramsey on fire, Wilshire back, etc...
     
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    I know this it is a little bit late, but someone saw Napoli vs Dortmund last week?
    I saw Napoli against Milan and they were great defensively, but I still was surprised too see Dortmund incapable of scoring even once.
     
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    I think Ozil plays a major role in the way Arsenal is playing. He is both a first class conductor and solo violinist in that band. The guy is in a class of his own, and he showed it today, scoring that exquisite first goal and manufacturing the second. Signing him was a master move by Arsenal. It’s hard to believe Madrid let this player go for less than half the price they paid for Bale. They are totally insane. Arsenal's rivals should hope he cools off, because as Ozil goes, so will the rest of the squad.
     
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    We looked alot better tonight, basically carrying on from where we left off against Spurs.

    The movement up front was better, the passing seems to be getting there too. You could count the games Mourinho has had since coming back on your hands, not sure why people were expecting us to be Barcelona by now.
     
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    Loved the passion and intense vociferous atmosphere that Celtic fans always create on CL nights. A far cry from some of the PL's more sedate and sanitised grounds... BTW Neymar deserves a proper kick after his hammy acting job... just pathetic.
     
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    Ridiculous. Well he transfered to FC Divealona, I guess they wanted him for a reason. I'm by no means a fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, but that guy got a reputation as a hardcore diver, gets burned by media and fans, while Barca gets away with everything. I swear their whole team consists of diving prima donnas.

    I'm starting to dislike that team more and more. Can't believe I was actually a fan of those actors.
     
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    The thing that annoys me more than anything about Barcelona is their sense of entitlement. They think that because they play this so called pretty football that everyone else is beneath them. You get the likes of Cruyff coming out whenever Chelsea play them slating our style, probably because we always end up beating them.

    Whenever they go to ground they think it's a foul, they think they're playing a non-contact sport.
     
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    Watching the Madrid Derby over the weekend: what a drama fest. They get so amped up over everything.

    Makes me appreciate the PL and the basic idea of get on with it (other than Ashley Cole). Bale will fit in perfect with his diving skills in Spain.


    PS: speaking of diving, how about Ballotelli against Ajax, they got jobbed. Ballo brings the circus wherever he goes.
     
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    Hart for England!

    That's 18 months now he's been poor. Apparently Mancini was going to replace him with Begovic, had he stayed.
     
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    That was a very entertaining match. Despite Bayern being far superior, the score could easily have been a tie if the goalie hadn’t had such a bad day. But the football was fun and lively, a far cry from the Celtic-Barcelona match, which I found deadly dull (aside from the passionate spirit of the fans).

    That goalie, though, seems like a big liablity. Pellegrini should talk to Casillas who isn’t happy at Madrid.
     
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    every player in the squad's been ***** for 18 months except Milner Zabaleta and Kompany, Yaya in particular needs to be moved from the defensive mid role as his workrate defending is non existent and there's no Barry to cover for that anymore..also don't know what Pelle was thinking of playing a midfield 2 that got dominated against Stoke let alone a Guardiola led Bayern with probably the strongest midfield in the world..then wait for 75 minutes and 0-3 down at home (with 24% possession..) to change the tactics finally and bring a midfielder who actually can tackle and track back in Milner and one who can keep possession when pressured in Silva..

    hart let a couple of soft ones in but they must have had 20+ shots and the second goal was the poorest defending I've seen in a long time that one wasn't his fault..could have been 1-6 or so had bayern brought their normal finishing, don't even want to know how bad it could have been if Mandzucic started.
     
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    Yeah Milner and Zabaleta i'd agree with, they've been great. Toure is always great when he's played in the right position. Kompany has been as bad as Hart for awhile imo though, he was incredible in the Manchester derby a few weeks back, but i've not seen him play like that since the title winning season.

    Are you happy with Fernandinho? Everyone seemed to be raving about his performance against Chelsea last year and were saying what a great signing it was. For me it was awful, the price they payed for an average player, who's older than you think was crazy. We then went and did the same with Willian, it's like you see a player is from Brazil and his real value triples :)
     
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    These 2 pieces caught my eye this morning...


    Instead of articles about Eto'o having his highly expensive cars being delivered I'm sure the Chelsea fans would much rather be reading about goals being delivered...


    Oh man... ("Shakes head".)
     
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    He looked distinctly sub par yesterday IMO along with the rest of them.

    At least Arsenal allows the PL to hold its head high in the CL ;)
     
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    He always looks average to me. God knows why they got rid of Barry for him, especially paying £30 Million+ for a 28 year old.

    Arsenal have looked good, they always do well in the group stages though, don't get too excited just yet!
     
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    That was a horrible piece of officiating, the referee needs to be given a suspension...what a disgrace. Can't stand Ballo either, what a pretentious little baby.

    He was beyond poor yesterday, especially for the second (or was it the first?) goal where he came out of his box and got burned. It was like what happened when England played Zlatan (er, Sweden) and made a huge mistake on that 4th goal.

    I thought that's how it is for English players? I'd provide examples but there are just too many cases of overrated Brits going for stupid money when their continental counterparts go for pennies.




    Oh yeah Bre I feel awful for you, City were simply not good enough yesterday. I don't like how Pelli sent out the team and waited so long to bring on Silva.
     
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    The first goal was where he didn't get a strong hand on it from Ribery, the second was where he was in no mans land, the third he got beaten by Robben at his near post. A comedy of errors :)

    Yeah English players do go for way more than they are worth, you can understand that though with the new rules where you have to have a number of homegrown players. Certainly puts a premium on them.

    The 4-4-2 was a crazy decision. They needed Milner in there to try and disrupt things, and Silva to try and get on the ball. 24% possession at one point as it? Ouch.
     
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    These thugs are just cowardly scum. They didn't go down an Arsenal boozer to pick a fight, they went to an artisan pie shop frequented by fathers and sons, women, families etc. Just picked a soft target with no likelihood of retaliation, and smashed up the place and the innocent people in it. Pathetic.

    The perpetrators are clearly back in Naples. Napoli as a club have a very strong responsibility for accounting for the actions of their fans at away games. There are a limited number of them travelling, who all would have passed through an airport from Naples, bought numbered tickets through the club, and been recorded on CCTV, so with the amount of technology around today these thugs should be locked up. I'm sure they'll be shielded though.
     
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    I agree with you. But I think some credit has to be give to Flamini, Ramsey, to their defensive system, etc separetely
     
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    This guy especially, I always thought we went backwards when he left for Milan. All that flair is great but you need a guy like this who plays in plain black boots and takes scalps all across the midfield.

    He's only 5'8" or so but don't tell him that, thinks he's bigger than Viera was :)
     
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    Where was Zabaleta, that guy is one of the linchpins.

    Barry was probably watching the game and laughing his *** off.
     
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    Looked like they were hoping Richards would push up more, hopefully pin Ribery back to some extent through a combination of that and his strength. Guess that was the plan, didn't really work out too well though :)
     

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