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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. PSNELKE

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    You just keep going on about "the beginning of the season". As I said, the hype's crackling, Ozil's playing bad, gets called out on his lacking efforts and Arsenal is slowly but surely going to make it a City-Chelsea title race. In the meantime you can keep drooling about Ozil's performances in the first two, three months.
     
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    Ok, your opinion (although I really rate Ozil), you watching Utd? Even Carrick is losing the ball. Where the hell is Januzaj????





    BTW Guardiola was quite vocal on Ozil. It wasn't just a rumor.
     
  3. PSNELKE

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    I rate him too, but obviously not as much as you. I don't like players with such an attitude like Ozil. But let's settle that.

    I can't even laugh at Utd anymore. The first few months of Moyes in Manchester was quite good comedy, but this is turning into a Drama. I'm not into forcing young guys into the squad but I definately would've given Januzaj a shot in this match or at least after halftime. They can't even pass the ball properly for gods sake. I would've fired Moyes a long time ago, any chance of Ferguson making a comeback on the Utd bench??
     
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    Ozil needs to get it together if he wants to play in Brazil this year.
    Kroos is outplaying him currently.

    Ozil has always been like this, I have watched him dissapear in Big games for years.....

    He is magical when on, but he is a quitter, not a fighter.

    No way Fergie comes back, even though it must itch.
    And that after Rooney proclaimed United can go deep this year.

    No way are they on the level of Barca, Madrid, PSG, Bayern etc.

    Not anymore.
     
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    The season is almost over.....
     
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    Well, definitely following United this year is better than Chelsea at last year.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. There's no disputing Ozil made a great start to the season but it's now that Wenger and Arsenal need him. Players who cost that sort of money are supposed to step up and make the difference in big games, not disappear. As for his teammates, earlier in the season when things were going well they were not aware of his lack of fight and heart in tough situations.
    Love whats happening at Old Trafford and as for Fergie coming back there's not a snowball in hells chance. He knew this was coming. They over achieved last season taking advantage of the uncertainty at City and Chelsea. That combined with the madness of Wenger letting RVP join Utd won them the title. Moyes must take some but not all of the blame. Long may it continue!
     
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    Ready for Mancini's Galatasaray boys against The One's lads?
     
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    Nice to see Bale do well, pretty impressive:

    In 21 starts for Real Madrid, Bale has now scored 14 goals and assisted on 10
     
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    We should of really killed it off in the first half, we were all over them and had more than enough chances to get the second and third that would surely of killed the tie off. As it is, being wasteful yet again leaves us in a tricky position.

    Matic not being able to play also had a big impact, it's amazing to think he's only been here a matter of weeks but how influential he has become already.
     
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    I agree with this, really surprised at the impact he's made. Almost the last piece of the puzzle (other than a striker). His work and presence lets everything else click into place.
     
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    Totally agree, he's like an extra centre back at times, who can cover every blade of grass in midfield and never fails in winning the ball back. Personally i'd like some kind of creative player in there alongside him as he is the perfect foil for one of those, someone like Gundogan, Fabregas, Cabaye, Pirol etc.. Maybe not one of those, but that kind of player.

    As you say, the striker is the position that needs the most attention. A left back so Azpilicueta can go back on the right, get a partner for Matic and then Courtois back from Madrid and we're sorted for the next 5+ years.
     
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    That is what I would consider a slip that might impact (against us) upon return to Stamford Bridge, hopefully not. However, I thought Azpillicueta did just right.
     
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    No doubt it's going to cost us at some point, both in Europe and the League. Lately it's been Terry, Ivanovic and Hazard who have been getting all the goals. A couple of defenders and Hazard aren't going to be enough to win big this year imo.

    Agree on Azpilicueta though, he is class in every area. He has the typical neat passing and ability to be comfortable on the ball like all Spanish players, he's dangerous going forward and under Mourinho his positioning and all round defensive game has improved out of sight. To think he's playing on his weaker side too, get him to right back next year with Luke Shaw at left back and we're golden.
     
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    Agree on Matic. He's certainly had a great impact on the game, but he's still not as creative as I'd like it. I'm still all for Gündogan (if he ever comes back) or Rakitic (Chelsea could get him cheap, considering the financial troubles Sevilla's in). Then add another world class striker to that squad and another Champions League title should be in sight.
     
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    Forgot about Rakitic, good call. Having Matic allows for a creative player alongside him, a destroyer and a creator, a tricky player and a big brute etc.. it just works.

    Cavani, Falcao or Costa seem like the only options for the striker, whilst Shaw has to be the left back. He's been a Chelsea fan all his life, even playing for Southampton he talks about Chelsea, tweets about our results etc..

    There are players who can leave, older ones on big wages who are coming up to the end of contracts so the money should be there to make the team younger, quicker and better.
     
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    Exactly. That's the combination that lead us to success last year. Martinez was like a tank when he settled in and Schweinsteiger when healthy was the creative distributor. That's what Chelsea needs. Matic plays his role perfectly so far. Gündogan would be my first choice but I'm kind of uncertain regarding his future. He has yet to play a game this season and his supposed comebacks got cancelled every time. That injury seems chronic which could be a career killer. Rakitic's playing in a mediocre team and he's basically carrying the squad on his back. If he performs well, the whole team does as well. They're almost useless without him. His performances against the big teams (Real, Barca) have been exctremely impressive thiss season. The prospect of landing a cheap deal with Rakitic is certainly seductive.

    According to Whoscored he's the third best LaLiga player this seaosn, right behind Messi and Ronaldo which is quite a feat considering that he's on a medicore team unlike Ronaldo and Messi.

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    That's interesting, when England had that thing with Croatia a few years back and seemed to be playing them all the time, he was a player that always caught my eye. Whenever i'd see Schalke in the Champions League too he was impressive, so if he's matured more since then he sounds well worth a look. Sad to hear about Gundogan's injuries, although i'm sure someone will take a punt on him. Dortmund, as good as they are, seem to sell a player every year so with his injury problems he could be the one to go.
     
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    Swansea, once again playing well in an important match , and also losing as usual.
    Crap performance from Napoli.
     
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    They can forget about Falcao once this Fifa fair play comes into things.......
     
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    I believe that Chelsea want to save some money instead of spending big, Wilfried Bony would be a perfect option. He's not up there with the big names yet, but he's got all the qualities to get there. Physically very strong, great in the air, technically gifted and a clinical finisher. Also dangeous outside the box and good link up play upfront. He could do very well playing the Drogba role in the current team.
     
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    You're both right, money is starting to come into it and will do even more in the coming years. We have alot of older players on huge wages though, Eto'o is on crazy money, Lampard, Cech, Cole, Torres etc.. Should we move a few of those on (Cech for Courtois for instance) then it's more than possible to get a big money striker.

    Another thing is potential earnings from the Champions League and Premier League. We got Hazard with the money from the Champions League win for instance. So there are a few ways we can do it.

    As for todays games, it's March, we're 4 points clear with just 10 games and 1/4 of the season left. Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool still to play though, squeaky bum time!
     
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    I'd love to see Sunderland sneak this. Howay the lads.
     
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    All fell apart for Sunderland after the 2 goals in 90 seconds. They did show character though and tried but the Navas goal sealed it.

    Lol Alan Pardew getting £100,000 fine for the headbutt. He needs to sort his temper out when the heat is on his team.
     
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    I'd love to see the first manager bite a player, or another manager.
    Well, I hope Hannibal the Cannibal is still available for a coaching job.

    Otherwise, I guess we'll just have to wait until Luis Suarez is ready for it.
     
  26. Feña14

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    Love how this thread goes quiet during international games! They're so pointless.

    Anyway, big game tomorrow against Spurs. Willian has shaved his head apparently, whilst Inter Milan want Torres for £20 Million. Hope only one of these is true!
     
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    Pointless indeed and Wilshere gets himself another injury....
     
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    I disagree, how else is a national team supposed to get ready for a World Cup?

    It's like saying tennis players shouldn't practise with each other....
     
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    National football is dying imo. The rise of the big clubs, the glory of the Champions League, the big wages, the disconnect between lower league fans etc..

    Many times it's been said how players and fans would all prefer club success, even fans of teams in League One around where i'm from would prefer promotion over England winning the World Cup. Offer me Chelsea winning the League this year or England winning the World Cup? Chelsea everytime. Harry Redknapp said in his book how players at Tottenham would come to him and ask him to make up an injury to get them out of international duty so they could be ready for the weekend.

    Do Man Utd fans care about England with the position they're in at the moment? They have bigger things to worry about, the team they watch week in, week out, the one that is in their soul and part of who they are are struggling. This summer i'm more interested in finding out how Mourinho will improve our squad for another rollercoaster year starting in August than what happens in Brazil.

    That's my opinion and one that's shared by alot, not all, but alot. Maybe it's different in other Countries, but internationals are just an inconvenience before the real stuff at the weekend for many.
     
  30. PSNELKE

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    I rarely disagree with you, but so not on board with that statement.
    I'm pretty sure this phenomenon applies only for you Brits. Taking a Bayern Champions League victory over Germany winning the World Cup is a complete absurdity. The only ones who'd take a club tournament victory over the national teams WC victory are probably the ones without German background. And I'm pretty sure that applies for the rest of Europe as well. I honestly don't see how national football is dying.
     
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    Other internationals they can do without (to an extent) but not the World Cup or in a WC year. Other than that, Chelsea would always want the premiership, at least for me. But I suppose Jose is too prideful not to amass every trophy there is to collect!
     
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    That's ridiculous. Those fckers love to play the World Cup and the European Championships, but not the qualifications and friendlies. They got NO duty. You don't wanna play for your countries national team? Then get the hell out, there are more then enough players who love to play for their country. Duty? LoL just retire from the national team and stuffs done. If someone came up to me being the coach, I'd kick his butt out of my team as well, for such an obnoxious question.
     
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    Yeah that's fair enough, it's probably more of an English thing. There are alot of Wolves, West Brom, Villa and Birmingham fans around me. Also alot of Liverpool and Man Utd fans (same for everyone probably :)) and all of them have their own dreams and issues going on with their club, the one they look forward to seeing all week, the one they read about online, pay money to go and see, who their father and grandfather loved and tell them about stories from the old days etc.. English football is very tribal, the loyalty to your team is greater than everything. As i've said before, in my life i've only ever seen my Dad cry twice. His mothers funeral and the day Chelsea won the Champions League. That's the level of passion everybody has here for their club.

    The English national team? Yeah, it just doesn't come close for alot of people.
     
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    Back to the important stuff :) 7 points clear.

    Never in 21 seasons of the Premier League has a team outside the top 2 on the 1st of March won the title, even those who were behind with games in hand.

    All points to Chelsea or Liverpool then. Liverpool have Chelsea and City still to play, both at home. Should be good.
     
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    I agree, I prefer to watch the PL over int'l play.

    To me, the PL race is so much more exciting and close than some of the other leagues. BM is so far ahead that it's ridiculous; well done but not thrilling to watch on a weekly basis.

    Given the one sided nature of those leagues, I'd probably watch int'l football as well.

    At this point, I don't think we'll be in for the league but a win on the 22nd could tighten things up (Wenger's 1000th game in charge). I'd take the FA cup at this point. The script has been followed closely as ever this year: great start and a dip in Feb.

    I do like the hammering we put on Everton yesterday. Ozil seems to be playing well again and Rambo is back this week.
     
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    Yeah, i'm struggling to see Arsenal winning the title. With the way Chelsea and Liverpool are playing, with Man City now out of the cup and probably Europe they will go hard for the title and probably take it.

    As for the FA Cup, is City losing a good thing? All the talk over the last however many years has been how Arsenal have not won a trophy and choked when they had the chance in the League and League Cup. Anything less than a win now the other teams left are average will be a disaster. Pressure!
     
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    c´mon guys.it´s about time to recognize no english club has been so well constructed and loaded as the unique Forest team of the 80´s.

    With no f.ucking continental in it

    With the best british coach for clubs: sir Brian Clough

    Shilton,Anderson,LLoyd,Burns,Mills,Gray,Mc Govern,Birtles,Francis,Woodcook and Robertson.

    Bowyer and O Hara at the bench

    because this team rolled over the other full stars english club team that one can remember: Liverpool.

    Well, maybe the late 60´s ManUted was at that level...

    Notts story is a short lived one but like a fairy tale absolutely marvelous.
     
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    I agree but I think that we're mentally tougher than in the past. Having the BFG and Flammini around def keeps people in line.

    Other than the Stoke result, we've been able to easily boss the lower ranked teams, it's the top 4 that provide the trouble.

    I was relieved to see City go out :)

    The next few months are going to be a great time to be a fan.
     
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    LOL Chelski fans getting over their arses about winning the cup. You lot are the little horse in the race my friend. Watch you lot choke soon, absolutely pathetic :lol:
     
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    Well we're 7 points clear with 9 games to go? lol. Still think City will win it, despite Chelsea being the odds on favourites.

    As for the FA Cup, the pressure really is on Arsenal after choking the Premier League away a few years back, then the disaster against Birmingham in the League Cup. To have it happen again would be a huge blow, considering the level of opposition left. They have had alot of stick over their drought, rightly or wrongly, should a golden opportunity slip by? You can guarentee fans and the media will have a field day.

    There's a huge reward for them if they do it and the tag is gone, but that goes both ways. That's the nature of sport.
     
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    I'm only kidding, I know Chelsea are the favorites. After Arsenal lost against stoke, I lost all hope (although I did have some hope of winning but now now, at least there wont be pressure on CL spot for next season). Now we got Bayern Munich, never had a chance in the first place. I think Chelsea will win it realistically, Mou is too smart for this crap.
     
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    Tons of credit has to go to Mourinho.

    Him starting off the season saying Chelsea aren't going to win it, and that City were the favorites was a masterstroke.

    Now look where that's gotten both parties. City, for all their excellent signings over the summer and their play early on in the season, have capitualted spectacularly. Wigan were great today but City were just poor.

    Poor Pelligrini, I really like the sob after what happened to him at Real Madrid, but chances are he'll be sacked by May.
     
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    Now seriously.When I talked about Forrest legendary team ( and with the best ever Liverpool as opposition¡¡¡) I meant a team that played with no continentals and still produced the best played, best constructed and best plotted football of the islands and the continent for two years.

    Straight men not the current bunch of metrosexuals or even worse...
     
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    Pellegrini will be fine imo, they gave Mancini longer than most clubs would so they will probably do the same. Just got to sort that defence out.

    Chelsea will win the League? At the moment it does look likely, 7 of the last 9 games are against teams in the bottom half (Liverpool and Arsenal are the other two). Still got to like City for it, the fixtures are harder but they do have goal difference on their side and nothing else to play for. Whoever wins the title is always the one who deserves it, that's Chelsea for the time being anyway.
     
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    I'm confused, can someone tell me how this reply relates to my post? :shock:

    Anyway...to others:

    1. Pellegrini won't get sacked. He has a monster of a team right now

    2. Jose is a smart guy, he likes to play mind games with everyone. City are overwhelming favourites or were because they had a period where they were unbeatable, scoring 4+ goals a game and r@ping every teams until Chelsea won at their ground and knocked of their stride a bit.

    La Liga is close too. Seen the top 3 teams of that table? It's ust Bundesliga which is a total cakewalk for Bayern.
     
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    Sorry I mistook the poster....
     
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    Begs the question, if the Godfather (Fergie) remained for this season, would Chelsea and other teams be where they are right now?
     
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    No. United have been dreadful and no doubt would be in a different position. This would affect the standings drastically. The landscape of the premier league would be different.
     
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    That's an interesting question. Ferguson knows the club inside and out, so for him to get out when he did suggests he knew that what he achieved last year was going to be tough to do again this time round.

    Chelsea and City are both better than last year imo, same for Liverpool and Arsenal. Personally, Man Utd would be up there in the top 4 now, but i'm not sure even with Ferguson they would of had enough to beat this Chelsea team with Mourinho, and City with their incredible squad.

    Another thing that's interesting is Rooney. Wasn't it at the end of last season his relationship with Ferguson seemed to be at an end and that's when he requested the transfer? He's been United's best player by a mile this year, if Fergie had of stayed then maybe Rooney would of gone.
     
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    The title's Chelsea's, no doubt there. No need for meekness.

    Germany, Italy, England are done for me. Spain's still somewhat close, but with Barcelona struggling and Athletico as expected running out of gas, the title should be Reals.

    The CL's gonna be interesting. But for god's sake Guardiola should stop playing without a proper striker. Whenever he played the "false 9" we struggled to score. Screw 80% ball possession if you got nobody in the box to finish things off. As soon as he played Mandzukic, they killed Wolfsburg with 5 goals in 18 minutes. The man's the league's leading goal scorer with far less minutes than Lewandowski and Adrian Ramos (pretty decent striker, he should consider a transfer to a bigger club). I've noticed the lack coolness a lot since Guardiola's move to Bayern. If we happen to play Chelsea, they'd kill us for the million squandered chances.
     

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