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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    The one who knocked out Bayern in the last two seasons won the title. Would be nice if that tradition continues.
     
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    Out of 4 conceded goals, 2 were to Benfica this season, the only team that managed to beat Simeone's Atletico at the Calderon.
     
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    After seeing how good he's got Felipe Luis and Torres playing, part of me would love for him to get Costa back this summer too. He'd be nailed on to bag 60 next season!
     
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    ^ If Torres scored it would have been huge. So, so close.

    But yeah, he's playing a lot better and he definitely looks happier.
     
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    He's probably saving his goal for injury time in the second leg. One on one with the keeper, takes it round him and finishes to send them to the final (Gary Neville commentary optional) ;)
     
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    Torres is a new man. He must be drinking the Manny endorsed salt water. Yeah, hard to argue against Simeone being the GOAT manager at the minute.

    Red Nev needs to return to pundit/commentary duty next season. Jamie will have some fresh insults to leave Gary speechless. Impossible!
     
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    If it's true that the grass was dry and long, the contrast at the Allianz Arena could be shocking.
     
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    Captain of Borussia Dortmund Mats Hummels asked for a transfer to Bayern Munich.

    Looks like Bundesliga title celebration will lose its point for Bayern in the next few years. It's getting too easy...
     
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    No, it doesn't. Numbers good but far from excellence.



    Yes, it is.





    Irrelevant.



    Champions League, europe league are irrelevant in this context, even if you don't have enough intelligence to understand why.

     
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    They are worst than english (and itallian) league. Less teams with good defenses, more teams with clown defenses. That's what matter in the context (too easy for a single striker score many goals against the clown defenses).
     
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    LOL what did I just read? Far from excellence, dribbling secondary, European competitions irrelevant, just a good player, Barcelona a bad managed club... Are you always high like this?
     
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    Because the onus of the proof it is over who did the assessment, genius.

    Three teams only, very unimportant.

    That's what I suggested you to show

    I can show you worst in La liga.

    That's seems to be quality stuff. Unfortunately I don't have time now to see all that. Will have to wait.

    It might be true, but it is the same problem of my second quote.

    Slightly better yes. Don't make it seems like far better.

    Laughing at woeful. Even if they got worst, wasn't much by any stretch of imagination, so that implies that they were always woeful or close to it, if they were woeful during this period.

    Prove that I don't watch it much. Prove that I don't have a clue about what I am talking about. Outside the links, all your arguments were weak, so keep laughing, it won't make you win the discussion.[/quote]
     
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    Yes, and I can prove or show evidence of everything I said, unlike you that doesn't have much perception of how bad it is your understanding of the sport.
     
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    So Neymar, the two seasons not that wonderful, playing at Barcelona, Messi's team? You are unbelievable!

    I will say to you what I say to everyone in that circunstances. Proof that he is not on the same league, that isn't close, or show evidences of that and wada wada wada.
     
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    No you can't, and that "me against the whole world" philosophy of yours will only make you worse as time goes on.
     
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    Do you understand how an argument works? Clearly not. You ask me to prove my view point, but you cannot provide proof yourself to support to own viewpoint. So basically your posts are useless and nothing more than visual pollution.

    So go on then, if you want to engage in an argument full of proof, prove that Premier League defences haven't got worse, if you can, which I still doubt.

    It's very important. The Premier League used to have the 3 defences in Europe at the same time, but hasn't had anything close to that since then. It's a major reason why the top English teams have performed so much worse in the Champions League over the past few years.

    And Everton under Moyes with Jagielka in his prime were far better and stronger defensively back then, and Fulham under Hodgson were strong defensively, as were Blackburn under Hughes, and Aston Villa under O'Neill, Bolton when Allardyce was in charge, even Arsenal were stronger defensively (an overall) than they are now.

    See above. Please refute that if you can.

    Well show me then. Break a habit and post something remotely analytical for once. I don't think any team in La Liga has been worse defensively than Aston Villa have been this season or QPR were last season. The bottom rung teams in both leagues have comparably bad defences. If La Liga has clown defences, then so does the Premier League.

    And no La Liga club outside Barcelona and Real Madrid has made over £180 million in television revenue over the past 3 years like Sunderland has, or has a US billionaire owner like Ellis Short. So with significantly smaller budgets and huge financial disadvantages compared Premier League teams, smaller La Liga clubs are not doing too badly at all.

    And smaller La Liga clubs have to face Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, who are have all been better than every single team in England over the past few years, especially Barcelona and Real Madrid from an attacking point of view. And a team like Arsenal this season have been no better attacking wise than Atletico Madrid have been. I doubt teams like Norwich and Bournemouth with weak defences would be faring any better against the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid than Espanyol and Sporting Gijon for instance. They simply don't have to face opponents that strong in the Premier League.

    I look forward to reading a list of articles and sources which talk about how Premier League defences are strong as they ever were and have got no worse, if many of them even exist.

    That point completely invalidates any argument you were trying to make. You talked about Man Utd no longer being super any more, but the bottom line is that for rest of Ferguson's reign they were scoring more goals with a less star studded attack. Why did that happen if standard of defending wasn't getting worse. The team certainly wasn't getting better. They didn't even have a strong midfield during that time but were still dominating the Premier League.

    No his finishing has become significantly better, not just slightly better.

    More facts which blow your 'argument' out of the water. He scored 15 champions league goals during his entire Man Utd career, and Man Utd were semi-finalists in 2007, winners in 2008 and finalists in 2009. He already bettered than in his first 2 and a half years at Real Madrid. In fact he scored more Champions League goals than that in 2013/2014 alone and also so far in 2015/2016 alone.

    So if a less deadly, less predatory Ronaldo who hadn't reached his peak yet could score 31 Premier League goals in 2007/2008, it's safe to say the improved and more lethal Ronaldo at the height of his powers would be able to better than in the future had he stayed in England beyond 2009. No problem whatsoever for him to get to 40 goals. Suarez scored 31 Premier League goals in 2013/2014, despite not taking any penalties and being suspended for the first 5 games of the season.

    The Ronaldo of 2011/2012 for instance was far better than any version that we saw in the Premier League.

    No saying that Premier League defences are woeful over the past few years is not the same as saying that they were always woeful. Another point you've made that makes no sense whatsoever.

    As I've said before, during Ronaldo's time in England, especially the last few years, Premier League defences were at their best, and all 4 Premier League representatives were reaping the benefits and reaching Champions League quarter-finals during that period, and we had 3 out of 4 semi-finalists 3 years in a row.

    LOL here you are talking about proving things again. That's your default position when you know you cannot construct an argument. I've provided links, facts and names, and you have provided absolutely a whole lot of nothing apart from comedy relief. You really are the air guitarist of football discussion, coming up with a lot of nothing, trying to make it sound analytical but failing miserably to make any serious points.

    Who knows, one day you'll post something on here that makes sense. Judging by the terrible quality of your posts up to this point, that it a still long way away. Keeping trying though, you'll get there one day hopefully. In the meantime we can continue to laugh at and mock your posts.

    And a big LOL at you talking about 'winning' an online discussion as if it's actually important.
     
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    Yes it would be interesting to see ! Torres's career has been resurrected under Simeone and Felipe Luis has been the best left back in Europe this season following his return there.

    Both on the pitch and the lifestyle point of view, Costa has never been happier than when he was Atletico, and after the signing of Jackson Martinez didn't work out, they are looking for more firepower up front.

    That is a pretty bitter pill to swallow. 3 years ago I think Hummels publicly criticised Gotze for leaving Dortmund for Bayern, and now he'll do the same thing.

    Yes Hummels is a product of Bayern's youth academy, so in a sense he is returning ' home'. However when he left them back in 2009, it was on pretty bad terms (also between the club and his father). They thought that he was too injury prone, and also thought that Breno was a better a defender than him (look how wrong that turned out). He has frequently attacked Bayern in public over the past few years as well, including Rummenigge and Sammer.

    I rate Tuchel very highly, and while their Europa League implosion against Liverpool was disappointing, I think that they have looked very impressive this season. Bayern's next manager Ancelotti doesn't have a particularly outstanding league record (3 titles in 15 years with Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid). So I thought that if Dortmund held on to their best players and did smart business over the summer, they could finally topple Bayern in the Bundesliga next season. But now that task has gotten a whole lot tougher.

    From Bayern's point of view this is a fantastic signing though. He is just the player they need to fill their glaring defensive weakness. Plus Javi Martinez can finally move back into midfield alongside Vidal and Thiago.
     
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    Yep, he did criticize Gotze. Now he said that when a player is 27 yo, the chances of winning titles don't seem infinite as when he is 23. The deal isn't complete however. It was only Hummels who showed interest in joining Bayern, Bayern didn't ask for him. Dortmund will want a lot of money or keep Hummels until the end of his contract and let him for free, just like they did with Lewandowski.

    It's sad that Bayern is taking players from league rivals. It would make less difference if they searched for players from the other leagues, like Alonso. This way when buying from Dortmund or other German teams, it has a double effect. In one move they get stronger while others get weaker. Some of the Bayern fans say "at least they keep the talent within the league", but really what's the point of that if all the best talents are in the same group? I am sure majority would like to see a tight battle for the 1st spot, not for the 2nd spot while the winner is pretty much guaranteed.
     
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    I completely agree.

    Gotze was a completely unnecessary signing as well, as they were already stacked in that area. Yes it will be interesting to see what Dortmund do now.

    When Bayer Leverkusen were major rivals in the early 00s, they bought Ballack, Ze Roberto and Lucio from them in quick succession as well. And they were heavily linked with Reus last season and were close to activating his release clause. Hummels publicly criticised Bayern for their interest in him as well. It's all a big shame.

    I do have a lot of respect for Bayern. From a financial point of view they are streets ahead of every other club in Europe, as they generate profits every year without fail (23 years in a row and counting I think), have no debt (they paid off their stadium 15 years early) , do not benefit from an unfair TV deal and charge their fans much cheaper ticket prices than any of the top clubs from England, Spain, Italy or France. Their financial model is pretty much perfect and they are incredibly well run. They build that up through a lot of hard work (they weren't even the biggest club in Munich before the 70s), and of course the good fortune of being located in the wealthy Bavaria which is the home of Allianz, Adidas and Audi. Still it's a shame that no other team in Germany can even come close to competing with them financially, and that can sign so many players from direct competitors. It would be like Man Utd signing Vieira and Pires from Arsenal in the early 00s.

    Outside of Bayern and the title race, the race for the last few Champions league spots, Europa League spots and to avoid relegation has often been incredibly exciting in the Bundesliga over the years, with a lot of drama, tension and attacking football (but weak defending). I do think overall it is a strong and entertaining league, as proven by teams like Schalke, Leverkusen and Wolfsburg reaching the knockout stages of the Champions League in recent years. But you're right, it really needs a more interesting title race. Dortmund have done very well just to keep the title race reasonably alive this season.

    From 2004-2011, 5 different clubs won the Bundesliga title in 8 seasons. Every 2 years on average Bayern seemed to get complacent and suffer an off season, and other teams could capitalise. And even when they won 3 titles in a row under Hitzfeld from 1999-2001, they had to snatch the title on the last day of the season from Leverkusen in 2000 and Schalke in 2001. But now they are like a well-oiled, unstoppable juggernaut.
     
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    It's certainly a possibility. He seems to want to go back anyway, ideally Chelsea would use their interest as a way to get Griezmann going in the other direction. Maybe do the same with Hazard and Cavani (or something similar). It's going to be hard to attract the very best players, that's probably the only way.
     
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    Good result for Villareal last night - hopefully they can complete the job next week
     
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    Mauricio Pochettino has verbally agreed a new five year deal with Spurs.

    United haven't made an offer for Mourinho. Hush hush.
     
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    Sevilla with the away goal advantage, chances of a 3rd consecutive Europa League still very much alive.

    Funny thing, in La Liga this season Sevilla haven't recorded a single away win. All 14 wins were achieved at Sanchez Pizjuan, Barca and Real both falling there.
     
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    There is a good chance that all 4 European final places will be occupied by Spanish club this season. All 4 La Liga representatives are in good, or at worst reasonably good positions, going into their 2nd leg matches next week. That would be a remarkable achievement if it happened, although I like diversity and teams from different countries playing each other in European finals, so I hope it doesn't.

    In 2014, they had 3 out of the 4 places, with Real beating Atletico in the Champions League final, and Sevilla beating Benfica to win the Europa League (after knocking out Betis and Valencia along the way).

    I am a self-confessed Klopp fanboy so I hope Liverpool win the Europa League. If they don't, then I want Villarreal to win it, as they never won a major trophy in their history so it would be a nice story, and they are very well run financially with minimal debt (especially for La Liga standards) these days. I really don't want Sevilla to win the competition yet again, especially with them being Champions League drop-outs.
     
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    Looking at how much the current EPL clubs spent over the last 5 years, Leicester City stand on 17th position, with 73 million pounds.

    Chelsea top the list with 427,29 million, closely followed by Manchester City with 420,75 million and Manchester United with 418,7 million. Van Gaal hugely contributed to this huge number in his short time here.

     
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    Neymar the man who in his career at Barcelona has 83 goals in 137 games. Not really a striker either, for which that would be an excellent record. Not to mention how many assists he's been getting. Not to mention how much he's already played for Brazil, by virtually all accounts the greatest football nation in history and is by far and away their best player and has been for a few years.

    Lets compare him to Jamie Vardy shall we. That's 3 seasons by the way for Neymar, so lets have a look at Vardy's last 3 seasons - 113 games 43 goals. Playing as a striker, including one season in the championship. So that's nowhere near. Even this season with Vardy's season of his life, in terms of league form gets less goals and less assists than Neymar in more playing time. So obviously the Vardy comparison has no credibility, but I don't think stats were really needed to show that.

    Lukaku, similarly is behind Neymar in virtually all stats as most people would expect better aerial stats I imagine but that's just about the only thing which he is better than Neymar at.

    You have made some strange claims I have to say. I remember a while back someone was claiming Zidane was overrated, never for one minute the best player in the world, which seemed a bit strange, but I don't think he ever claimed he wasn't a good player like you are attempting to do with one of the current best players in the world, by comparing to such flavours of the month as you are doing.
     
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    What has Neymar achieved though?
     
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    Log off the Internet. Forever.
     
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    Bayern's Bundesliga celebrations postponed by Borussia Moenchengladbach.

    Both Real and Atletico won 1-0, Barcelona have to respond now against Betis.
     
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    Happy to see Atletico keeping up the pressure in the title race, and yet another clean sheet. Simeone rested a lot of players, but it was the outstanding Griezmann who scoring the winning goal immediately after being subbed on.

    Monchengladbach are unbeaten against Bayern in the last 2 seasons which is an impressive achievement :

    2014/2015: Monchengladbach 0-0 Bayern
    2014/2015: Bayern 0-2 Monchengladbach
    2015/2016: Monchengladbach 3-1 Bayern
    2015/2016: Bayern 1-1 Monchengladbach

    In the first few months of this season, I think that Bayern were playing their best and most attractive football during Guardiola's reign. Douglas Costa and Vidal were both revelation and added to a new dimension to their style (to be fair Vidal has still been very impressive during the 2nd half of the season). But they have looked a lot more sterile and have a laboured a lot during the past few months (of course it's difficult for any team to keep play lights out football for a whole season without dips). But their dip in form is badly timed with the 2nd leg against Atletico on Tuesday, and a DFB-Pokal final against Dortmund (the 5th straight year they've faced each other in the German Cup) to come.

    Schubert has done an excellent job at Gladbach since taking over earlier in the season. They had lost their first 5 games of the season under Favre after losing Kruse to Wolfsburg and Kramer after his loan expired. But since Schubert took over they have soared up the table in the Champions League qualification places.
     
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    They looked unstoppable, I thought the CL defense was definitely going to happen. When Moyes' United gave them a scare I was still convinced but then Real crushed them to many of our delights.
     
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    The Bayern team that won the treble in 2012-2013 was most technically complete (though not necessarily the best) team that I've seen for a long time. They already the 2nd highest possessions stats in Europe before Guardiola took over, but they had a lot of strength, pace, steel, skill and firepower. The Schweinsteiger-Martinez double pivot in midfield, protected their defence of a lot. When Guardiola broke it up, that really exposed Dante and his clumsiness. That was the most dominant season I've seen a team have for a long time as well.

    I actually thought the change of manager from Heynckes to Guardiola with his inevitable tweaks to their style to keep them on their toes would actually increase their chances of defending the Champions League, as often it can be difficult for a manager who stays to motivate his players after they've just won everything. In his first season they won the Bundesliga in record time with 7 games left, but then Guardiola made wholesale changes to their line-ups in their remaining games, and they lost that momentum. In the previous season under Heynckes when they won the title with 6 games left, he still took the remaining league games seriously as he wanted to maintain their momentum for their Champions League matches. Also in Guardiola's first season they were incredibly boring to watch, with a lot of sterile sideways passing, but without the firepower of Messi and the neat triangles that he had at Barcelona. Kroos was an attacking midfielder than kept Robben out of the team during the first half of 2012-2013, but Guardiola wanted to turn him into the next Xavi. Against Man Utd and Real in the CL they had something like 75% of possession, but barely had a shot on target or created any significant chances, apart from when they fell 1-0 down to Man Utd in Munich and then played more direct.

    Their style did improve last season with a 7-1 win away to Roma a highlight, but again they lost their momentum in the Bundesliga after winning the title easily, and had a lot of injuries near the end of the season. This season with Costa, Coman and Vidal I thought their playing style and entertainment factor increased pretty significantly, but after Guardiola's announcement that he was joining City, they haven't played anywhere near as well. In 2012-2013 when they knew Heynckes was leaving, he was like a father figure to a lot of the players and they weren't happy about how he had been treated, so they were extra motivated to win it all for him. Plus more importantly they were angry about finishing 2nd in every competition the previous season.
     
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    Vamos! Rakitic and Suarez give Barcelona a 2-0 win over Betis. Tricky but they managed to avoid another choke. Espanyol at home and Granada away remain.
     
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    Suarez running away from Ronaldo. That goal also bettered MSN's goal tally from the last season, in this one they have 123.
     
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    Doesn't matter, they cannot repeat the treble. Keep in mind also that Suarez missed over 10 games last season because of his ban for the WC biting incident. Breaking the tally from last season was expected.

    Suarez as an individual really surprised however. I expected Messi to once again be the best Barcelona goalscorer by far and Ronaldo to win the Pichichi, but neither is going to happen.

    Securing La Liga is all that matters now.
     
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    That ain't bad to be going on with, not to mention 46 goals in 70 caps for Brazil for someone who's only just turned 24, I'd say he's doing alright.
     
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    Meanwhile, Van Gaal said he will be at Manchester United next season.

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    Not much then. I mean, Barcelona could have done all of that without him. He's hardly scored a tonne to carry his nation, has he?
     
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    LVG today. Classic.

    Will you look back at the red card of Fellaini?

    No, I don't think so. When I grab your hair now, you will react also.

    Then he goes on to talk about some SM shizzle. hahahah. Oh, Louis. You are amusing, I'll give him that.
     
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    Southampton crush Manchester City, Manchester United are still alive in the top 4 race. Win all remaining games and hope City slip up vs Arsenal and they will make it.
     
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    Pleased with the result today..

    Means Chelsea can seal the title at Stamford Bridge for the second season in a row tomorrow ;)
     
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    LOL? LOL?? ****ing disgusting.

    And you're supposed to be a Tottenham "fan"? It could have been Spurs fans in 1981. I'm not going to discuss with you after your ridiculous and totally disrespectful post, I'll probably get banned anyway.

    Bellend.
     
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    Quite a bit actually.

    He's managed almost 50 goals in 70 games for Brazil. That's as good a record internationally as most.

    As you're a Man Utd fan, lets compare him to your talisman of the past near decade in Wayne Rooney. Oh Right he's scored five more goals in 39 more matches.

    Ok lets up the stakes, compare that to Ronaldo, one of the best players in the world these past few years, but he's still managed only 56 goals in even more games than Rooney. Or what about Lionel Messi, best player in the world at the moment and has been for most of this past decade, oh and he's only got 50 goals in 107 games. So really that's not a bad record it's better than the best players in the world, and one another previously excellent player in recent years but clearly a few levels below them. Brazil haven't won a huge amount while he's been there, but it's been quite a poor Brazil side on the whole, and one player doesn't make a team, hence Ronaldo and Messi not winning much for their own international sides despite being the best in the world.

    What Neymar can claim is being one third of the best attack in the world at the moment and all his goals, assists and many other stats show that he's clearly contributing his fair share to that.
     
  45. Russeljones

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    0 Copa Americas
    0 World Cups

    would have saved yourself a lot of copy and pasting.
     
  46. Russeljones

    Russeljones G.O.A.T.

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    Why tag me when you have nothing to say? The Heysel victims were unlawfully killed. The Hillsborough judgement has "Brexit" written all over it.
     
  47. forthegame

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    i would love an explanation...
     
  48. Russeljones

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    A cop-out garnering a sympathy vote in a politically charged climate is not really hard to see, is it? Especially when the evidence is so flimsy. Again. who herded the supporters into the stands against their will? Or is it Heysel you need me to teach you about?
     
  49. forthegame

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    No teaching needed, simply didn't understand the inference.

    Carry on....
     
  50. Tiki-Taka

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    So? Messi/Ronaldo also have 0 Copa Americas/0 Euros and 0 World Cups. Neymar is the last guy to blame for Brazil's recent catastrophes.

    If all those team and individual prizes for a 24 yo aren't much, what is much then?
     

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