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  1. Poisoned Slice

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    Yep, there is hope, optimism, pessimism, but it is all countered by realism.

    I still don't think I'm deluding myself by saying United can win the league and looks like many agree now. Since you have them in the top 2, as well as the other posters.
     
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    Oh absolutely. Even with last years team, Mourinho in his first season and the initial impact he always has would of got them close. Throw in Pogba, Zlatan seems to of hit the ground running and a few other nice signings? Top 2 looks like a minimum target, winning it all is very realistic.
     
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    Sadio Mane, best signing in ages. Already looks like the most important player of the squad.
     
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    Looks like Schweini will leave, for only 2 million.

    The good thing is his high salaries will no longer be there, but it's a real shame that it never worked out. He is a high quality midfielder.
     
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    Yeah, we just got the post prime article. Still think he could have given us more. Just didn't work out.
     
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    If Mou makes others midfielders click, we might forget the Schweini disappointment easily. He has supported the club in these few matches and seems happy, I am glad he isn't showing any signs of anger or sadness.
    Did he score a wondergoal in your League Cup match as well?
     
  7. Poisoned Slice

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    Not much reason to have anger or sadness if you're going home to get your leg over Ana.

    My mind is just polluted with thoughts of Ana Inanovic images with the caption - ''there is no need to be upset.''
     
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    Rodgers when asked about the Bastian rumours "I don't need a marquee singing that can't run" :D

    No he didn't score any of the five goals, was the best player out there without a doubt though. Basically created three of them, could have scored a couple himself, never stopped running, terrorising Burtons defence. His pace and power are so vital in this team, £32m looks like a complete bargain now. I know it's just Burton and all that but we're clearly miles better with Can and Mane in the team. Hopefully Emre and Origi are fine, Spuds on Saturday should be a good one.

    Absolutely amazing away support tonight btw, sounded loud and clear on TV. Hopefully more of that at Anfield! :p
     
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    Did Mane play against Burnley? No teasing, I didn't watch the match so I was just wondering what went wrong.

    Don't remember you having problems with Spurs in recent years. Better fix that defense though, 5 goals conceded in 2 games, damn. :D;)
     
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    Surprised Arsenal have not picked up Javier Hernandez, they need a top striker; He is probably the best striker available at the moment. I don't think AG will leave Athletico Madrid for a team like Arsenal.


    Anyone here thinks Darmian should be the #1 right back at Utd? Why not play Darmian and Valencia on the right?
     
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    I am not surprised because Wenger's priority is that club's 600 employees get payed, not that the club buys a top striker.

    Don't know, Valencia has done well so far. As Mourinho said we have to wait for September when the club will also play the League Cup and Europa League, then everyone will get a chance to play.
     
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    I'm not sure if he has a future at United. Have to wait and see. I'm not confident about having wingers playing as full back against a top team. I hate these converted wingers. Valencia has made a good start, but not against premier opposition. If everybody else is playing well then that could inspire him and he might be a success. I thought he would have been sold.
     
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    I think Arsenal are a very wealthy team. Hernandez wouldn't break their bank, and would score goals. Why can't Wenger notice this? I can't think of many top strikers who are available ATM, and Hernandez has played in the league. He's clearly better than the strikers they have at the moment; He was brought in by Ferguson from Mexico, scored some very important goals for Utd, had a good season at Madrid (Ancelotti/Kroos said tey are interested in signing him at Munich). LVG and Moyes just disregarded him (they did seem pretty clueless). He bossed the Bundesliga, I can't see him staying at Leverkusen for too long.
     
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    I'd love Hernandez at Chelsea, all he does is score. He's like a quicker, younger version of Klose imo. We seem to have a real issue with finishing teams off and losing games we could of drawn, drawing games we should win etc.. A real poacher like that who only needs a quarter of a chance to score would be invaluable.

    We seem to be looking at defenders though, which I can understand. Unfortunately we've made the same mistake with Romagnoli as we've done with countless other players the last few years (had a good chance of getting him the year before, but waited another year when he was more established and much harder to get). Same thing happened with Griezmann, Aguero a few years before that, Payet when he was at St Etienne, had a chance at the 17 year old AC Milan keeper when Cech left.. Only for him to go on and have a great season and be labelled the new Buffon.. So no chance at that now.
     
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    Well, Hernandez could join any team, all be it if he went back to Madrid, or went to Bayern/Barca etc he would play the roll he played at Utd; Start on bench, come off and score (lol). I suppose him and Antoine are the onlt top class strikers about, but Griezmann is at a top club anyway. Utd should have never let him go IMO. Hernandez has shown at Leverkusen that he can be one of the main strikers.


    I would rather Hernandez come back to Utd than see him at Chelsea/Arsenal. Don't think that's going to happen though.
     
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    He could have been a present day Ole for us, I guess he was. In the squad, not guaranteed to start and always capable of scoring. The most important job in football! I know Alex Ferguson compared them. We definitely could have used him, but have to wonder if he would have even had a chance to score with the way we played the previous seasons.

    I'm not longing for him now or anything.
     
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    If Utd played like they have in the past 3 seasons you would want him back.
     
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    They probably are wealthy, but in that case their manager is one big miser. A line-up of all the players that Arsenal almost signed would probably be feared by the most of Europe.

    Arsenal have been chasing Lacazette the striker from Lyon for some time now and it looks like they won't sign him either. They have also been linked with our former defender Evans. Clearly their transfer business has been poor. Don't know how much Xhaka cost them, that was their only signing this summer that I remember.
     
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    Wenger once bid £4000001 for Suarez, lol.


    I wonder why he backed out of signing Ronaldo though.
     
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    I'm just thinking that LVG would have used him as a deep lying playmaker.
     
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    LVG told Hernandez he had a %1 chance to play because of Rooney. He had no patients in him.


    Hernandez then goes to Leverkusen, and pretty much outscores the whole of the Utd team. This is classic LVG.
     
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    Hernandez is mediocre. Accept the truth.
     
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    Can't say I agree, but everyone has their own opinions when it comes to a good footballer. I think Hernandez is a good striker with good movement. A mediocre striker IMO is Giroud, and Balotelli.
     
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    I think Solksjaer is an excellent comparison. They score goals from nowhere and both look like they're about 12 :p
     
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    Pretty much guarantees goals though, even doing nothing else that's quite important. Weren't you raving about Klose the other week? Pretty similar in that sense, traditional poachers.

    Shouldn't lump those together. Giroud is a very good player, highly underrated and one of the reasons why I don't think Arsenal really need a striker. It couldn't hurt but they have lots of goals in that team from all over the place. Giroud's link up play is excellent as well which is exactly what Arsenal need, while Hernandez does basically nothing but score, and they've got goals all over the place, Sanchez, Walcott, Ramsey, Giroud can all get their fair share of goals, scoring goals isn't actually a problem for Arsenal. They want to try and pinpoint something as the reason for their failures of late but the problem is mental. They have a squad technically good enough to win the league in my view and have had for some time, if they could only convince themselves they are chasing top 4 when they are in a position to challenge for the title come March then they'd win the league. Because they always find enough to do that, some great winning runs put together when chasing that.

    People make a lot of assumptions, they assume it's Wenger being a miser, maybe the board don't let Wenger spend because they want to make a profit, believe he's gonna get top 4 so don't spend so much. As I said though I don't think a striker would solve their problems, I don't think it's that important.
     
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    I don't think Arsenal are that great technically; Cazorla, Sanchez and Ozil are world class, but aside from them I find them to be a bit overrated. I would take the current Rooney over Giroud. The fact he doesn't score enough goals isn't even the reason, he simply does not make up for this with pace or vision etc. The only top class strikers I would say exist in the league are Aguero, Costa and Ibra.



    Arsenal's team isn't good enough. They need a top striker, a hard-man in the midfield, and two defenders. Then they will become a team.
     
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    Cech is a quality keeper, Bellerin is one of the best right backs in the league Laurent Koseilny is a very good centre half, Ramsey is an excellent player lots more very good players as well. Comparing Rooney to Giroud last season Giroud played in 38 games and Rooney 28. But for actual minutes on the pitch it was 2430 to 2406 so virtually identical. 16 goals to 8 in Giroud's favour. 6 and 6 assists, 30-36 key passes 36 - 42 chances created, 52 to 30% aerial duels won, 54 - 48% shot accuracy. So Giroud clearly better for goals slight edge to Rooney on creativity though not by very much shot accuracy slight edge to Giroud and obviously Giroud much better aerially and if he's got Sanchez and Walcott for instance on either side of him, they've got the pace to run in behind, and both get their fair share of goals as well.

    So looks quite clear to me that Giroud outperformed Rooney last season. Not that stats are everything but goals alone that is 1 in 2. Even better really as those minutes amount to 27 full games. Nothing wrong with that ratio at all. He's not top top class up there with Aguero, I wouldn't consider the other two you mention as up there with him personally I think he is comfortably the best in the league. If Ibrahimovic can prove himself over a full season similarly to PSG then he's got a case to be included. 2 games is not a season though. But I digress, Giroud is a very good player and you don't need world class players in every position (did Leicester even have a single one?). Liverpool won a Champions League with Milan Baros leading the line, got to another final with Crouch, Bellamy and Kuyt as their strikers. Good players but not world class.

    Think that Xhaka is meant to be a good player and apparently that hard man you speak of from what I hear about him, though haven't seen much of him. Defence is fine, Left back is nothing special, but it isn't a liability either. Their defensive record was up there with the best in the League last year, joint second best, one goal less than the best. Scored six less than Man City with the most goals as well, so say they signed Hernandez for instance they'd have a striker who scored more goals but he wouldn't link up with the others as well and if he's not scoring what's he doing? Giroud link up play is sublime at times. Look at that goal of the season by Ramsey a couple of years ago as an example. You would never see Hernandez do something like that.
     
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    Comparing Klose to this guy is a very solid way to convince me you don't understand this game. Klose is superb as a focal point, tracks back and has an all-round million times better first touch.
     
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    Coming from the guy who thinks Zidane and Neymar are rubbish. Ok.

    They are the same kind of players. Klose may be better in those terms but I never said they were a carbon copy. They are similar enough to be valid players to compare. The way you talked about Klose as one of the best players ever because you can't transfer your tennis mind i.e he won this that and the other so he's good to a team game with 11 players, and the world cup goals record is great. But he is very clearly nowhere near the Pele's and Ronaldos of this world.

    Hernandez is a great goalscorer and that's worth something. I know from with your fundamentalist following of the Church of Ferguson and he didn't really rate him that highly means you have to **** him off. Anderson's a world class player and Bebe was a great signing and so on. But he's good, his goals record speaks for itself. He's quite limited but what he can do well - goals he's excellent at.
     
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    Agreed.

    Koseilny is good, I think Bellerin is decent and Ramsey is good. That's it. This is not a defense which can win the league this year.

    Giroud played in a better team than Rooney last season. If you think that Giroud is better than Rooney from a technical standpoint then I would probably say you are an Arsenal fan with some considerable bias. Rooney still has more pace than Giroud, can pick out a much better pass than Giroud, and will probably score as many goals as Giroud this season.


    You're making Arsenal out to be a force of a team with very skilled players. They aren't. The proof is in the results.




    Ibrahimovic is clearly a world class striker. I'm not talking about Ibrahimovic being a world class premier league player, I'm talking about the totality of his playing career. He's played well for all clubs he's played at, and even had success and scored goals at Barca (a place he hated).


    Yes, I remember that goal.

    I haven't seen Giroud do that either since then.






    Everything you said is perfectly fine, it's just opinions at the end of the day, except Ibra not being a world class player; He's played for the Milan sides, Barca, Ajax and PSG, he's clearly a world class player.
     
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    I think this is an Arsenal fan through and through. They would rather see link up play rather than direct football with a goalscorer to finish off.
     
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    I think it's a defence good enough for a league winning side. 2nd best defensive record last season by one goal suggests the defence is not the problem. Who's a better right back than Bellerin in the Premier League? Maybe Clyne. Don't think many others come into contention. Not a great standard of right backs I guess at the moment, but easily one of the best in the League.

    Of course I'm not an Arsenal fan, Arsenal fans want to believe Giroud is ****. They want to believe they have an obvious area which can be improved to make them challengers when the issue is more complicated than that. Rooney has more pace of course, but Giroud's game is about strength and link up play and aerial ability.

    It is not proof that they are not a technically good team that they haven't won the league because winning a league is about a lot more than that. Strength of will, character, general all around mental strength are very important factors which Arsenal are not strong on. Gone a bit stale with Wenger too I think and that's part of the reason for that.

    Undoubtedly Ibra has been a world class striker for many years. But he hasn't played in a good league for quite a long time. Getting a couple of goals in his first few games is good. But he needs to do it for the whole season to be up there with Aguero as the best in the league, as he's been doing it for years in this League.

    You obviously haven't been watching Arsenal very much or France at the Euros for that matter, the way he was linking up with Griezmann, why he looked so good was partly down to Giroud. That's one of the best parts of his game, it's why Wenger rates him because he's perfect for his style as he links up with these one touch passes and flicks which suits that style so well.

    16 goals in the equivalent of 27 full games. That's a the record of a goalscorer and his link up play is excellent as well. Not Arsenal's problem.
     
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    Hernandez usually scored more goals than Giroud from the subs bench.


    Giroud is fine as a second striker, however he has become their main source of goals. If you have Greizmann, it wouldn't be a problem. No chance Arsenal are buying him. He will cost them too much money and I highly doubt he wants to play in a team who are only contenders for the FA cup.


    Darmian is clearly ahead of Bellerin.


    Trust me, I watch Arsenal. Their players are not as good as they are made out to be.
     
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    Scores slightly more goals. But he doesn't do anything else.

    They have more reliable sources of goals than probably any other team. Not the main source at all. Ramsey, Sanchez, Walcott can all get 10-15 goals a season.

    Darmian indeed, ho ho ho.

    They are not made out to be that good. Like the England team, they under-perform and they choke but have lots of real quality.
     
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    I actually rate Darmian, unfortunately, I would much rather him on the RB position than Valencia. Not everyone's cup of tea though. You can't put Arsenal not winning tournaments for eons down to being mentally weak, if they were truly a top technical team, they would have won some big things in recent times.


    You think Sanchez and Ozil will leave soon? I wouldn't like to see that happen.
     
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    Yeah well I think he's pretty good, I exaggerate a bit there don't think he's anything special though and think there's a number of better right backs in the league. Seems like Mourinho agrees or he wouldn't be playing a right winger in that position. They've been in the position to challenge a number of times and like clockwork fall away in February-March every time. Unless they have started badly and need to catch up, in which case they go on an amazing winning run and finish fourth. Mental weakness in any sport can stop people winning big tournaments. There are tennis players who never win the big tournaments their whole careers due to it. I think the problem for Arsenal is Wenger, who while I do believe is an excellent manager, it has just got stale and a change will be best for both parties. I believe his contract runs out this season and that will probably be the best for both parties.

    It could happen. Think Sanchez especially could get into basically any team in the world I rate him very highly. Likewise Ozil when on form is an amazing player too and could definitely get into a title winning side in one league. Guess it depends. As I say I reckon Wenger will probably leave next summer so it may depend on who comes in to replace him and what sort of movements are made by the club.
     
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    No he didn't, was out with a shoulder injury thankfully nothing too bad. Liverpool have always been consistently inconsistent, the Burnley loss wasn't that much of a shock to me (although obviously absolutely gutted at the time), basically Burnley scored less then two minutes after the start of the game and parked the bus, classic. We were terrible though, almost as terrible as Watford away last season (Adam Bogdan special).

    Yeah we've got a pretty good record against Spurs in the last few years, wins by 3,4,5 goals at the Lane, good stuff. But they've definitely improved under Poch, think their style is quite similar to Liverpool's actually, expect another close game like last season. As for the defence, yeah ive said we need to buy a left back (although to be fair it's 5 goals conceded in three games), our only natural left back (Gomez is not) is a disaster waiting to happen. However, it really looks like we're done as far as the incomings are concerned, I think Klopp will stick with Milner for the away games and Moreno/Gomez in the home games against lesser sides. Risky coz we've got the funds to go after a decent full back but I trust him. I'd like a defensive minded midfielder in case Lucas and Can are out but it's not going to happen, at least not this window.
     
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    Yeah should be an interesting match. Should be entertaining at least one would think.

    I guess Klopp thinks he can teach Moreno how to defend, I suppose a lot of full backs have been **** defensively but good attackingwise then improved. Seem to remember Ashley Cole was a bit shaky early on, Glen Johnson too and the fact that he was looking for a youngster in Childwell suggests he thinks that's the case and wanted more an understudy. Whether he's right or not, I'm sceptical, but if he does learn to be a good defender then it'd be great, he's pretty good going forward.

    What do you think about this Sakho stuff? Loaning him out, pretty ****ing weird one, especially if we don't sign a new one. Does seem unlikely that he'd be kept if we loan out our 26 year old centre back.
     
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    If I remember well, you drew with Spurs in both games last season?

    I was referring to the Premier League only, that's why I said 5 goals in 2 games. Btw, are you planning to play at Anfield this season? :D I don't remember someone having opening three fixtures all away plus the League Cup match in between also away, damn!
     
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    That's right 0-0 and maybe 1-1 I think?

    Burnley game was due to be at Anfield but because of renovations they switched it.
     
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    Agreed I'm sceptical as well but if Klopp believes he can sort him out and that Milner/Gomez are enough cover, then I trust his judgment. We'll just have to wait and see how that one works out. No need to panic two weeks into the season.

    The Sakho stories seem to have legs, very puzzling indeed. I thought he'd at least be third choice if not a regular starter alongside Lovren but it looks like it's a matter of discipline more then anything when it comes to Sakho, which is a shame. Remember that incident before the Everton game a few seasons ago, stormed out of Anfield after being left out of the squad, then recently nearly missed the pre season flight to USA, and finally sent back home alone after just a few days there. Think Klopp takes all these stuff very seriously, wants hard working players, no egos etc. Obviously we don't know exactly what happened with Sakho but it looks like it's got something to do with his behaviour, so maybe a loan would make sense? Although if Klopp doesn't fancy him anymore selling him would make more sense I guess, personally I hope he turns it around coz he looks like a good lad and is a decent centre back. Mind you don't think we need to buy another centre half even if we do sell or loan him out for the season, we've got Lovren, Matip, Klavan, Gomez that's four plus Lucas can fill in there. But as I said I hope he stays.

    Yeah as Slice n Dice said, 0-0 away (Klopp's first game in charge) and 1-1 at Anfield, both pretty balanced games.

    Oh fair enough. And yeah lol we requested the Burnley game to be switched to an away due to the renovations at the Main Stand. Our Anfield debut for the season is against Leicester, a fortnight after the Spurs game.
     
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    Well we can just about cover it but if we were selling a player who should be third choice minimum on would think it would seem risky having a still injured (after a very long lay off might I add) Gomez and Lucas (who's also still injured) and it just leaves us a little bare potentially, especially with the lack of left back cover (and right back frankly, guess it's Randall and I'm not totally sold on him Clyne no problem of course). It just seems strange to loan out such a player which is why it makes me think they want rid of him but being cautious as he's a popular player so don't want to be seen to forcing him out as it were. I too hope that he doesn't get sold as I like him, he seems sound (that Alcatraz video is pretty funny I must say) and I do rate him, although he looks clumsy but he's actually not really and his forward passing is great. Love the description from Joey Barton of him - "Mamadou Sakho is the most unorthodox, efficient, unbalanced, effective defender on the Planet. Watching him is similar to viewing a clown spin plates. You are just waiting for them to smash on the floor. Yet, somehow he keeps it going. Contradicts the laws of motion with every touch. The man is genius. A true one off… #sakho. Sums him up pretty well.
     
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