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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. TheMuzziah

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    Yeah, United are winning the title deffo.

    Next time will be 6 added minutes, after that a penalty in the 98th minute etc etc

    Classic stuff. Come on City ffs!!!!
     
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    They bombarded Hull for the entire match and scored a nice goal in the 2nd added minute. Justice won (yeah hard for you to believe that United are representing justice :p).
     
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    I sink we played well, I was sinking about substituting someone else...

    Jose sinking gets me every time. :D
     
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    Winning 3 points against a team who parks the bus is one extremely good feeling, I know that very well. I guess many United fans are going wild.

    Mourinho putting a youngster in and him winning the game sounds so hard to believe! :eek:
     
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    You'll eventually like him. ;)
     
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    Yeah, feels good to not slip behind before we play City. Had the old 0-0 feeling even though United were relentless. Can't wait for the City match.
     
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    No way.

    You know how people put an asterisk next to Novak's Slams just because they don't like him? Well I will be putting an asterisk next to any trophy you win under Mourinho. :p

     
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    I hope many asterisk are added in the next 3+ years.
     
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    Ok, I hope you will be in a position to put them many times in the near future. :p
     
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    Thing is im not even surprised in the slightest. Swear I turned it off 10 minutes from time to avoid the inevitable...

    Oh well. Their team is worth more then £250m and they've got the "great" Mourinho so anything other then the title will be pretty embarrassing. I've always hated Hull, town is a complete ****ehole and they always bend over for United. Good riddance.

    Please no pictures :rolleyes: is this a United thread or what? o_O :p jk
     
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    Was mostly kidding, I am indifferent at the moment. I am happy to see a competitive United, the title race is where they belong, and I love the suspense that the English league has overall. I will wait for the Christmas break to choose the side. ;)
     
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    I believe City are slightly bigger favorites. And if our players are overpriced, winning everything shouldn't be an expectation then, no?
    You will be waiting forever then, EPL doesn't have Christmas break like you guys do. :D
     
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    I think Fellaini will play because it is against City and you know what you're getting from him, but I want to see if Schneiderlin has what it takes beside Pogba. If they will compliment each other better. Or Herrera.

    Carrick is just there to be used in Disney Land. :p
     
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    My bad. I guess I could watch it more closely in that time while we are on a break.
     
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    I guess that's a good way to avoid disappointment. :p

    Didn't memorize the history of Hull City - Man United matches. All I know that in the previous 3 years I have heard how many different teams haven't defeated us since before Christ :D and then Moyes/Van Gaal would go on and end those unbeaten streaks LOL.

    I'd totally support you bringing some of your fellow Liverpool guys here, you seem lonely. :D;) Though most of us didn't leave an impression of being bad guys.
     
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    Where did Schweinsteiger go, United fans? I haven't seen him play and I heard he won't play under the current manager.
     
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    Nowhere. :D He'll be earning 190k per week for training with the reserves and supporting the team, he is a genius.
     
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    Rashford, Good Lord.

    Sit down Sir. If this isn't greatness, what is? Barring the Great Benitez of course.
    Porto
    Chelsea
    Inter Milan
    Real Madrid
    Manchester United
     
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    I need to pay more attention. Fellaini picks up injury.

    Having fun playing cat and mouse with Jose. ''I will not play for another club in europe'' Turning up and supporting the lads, etc. Oh, this wonderful Bastian, what a fella. United through and through lol But yeah, good work if you can get it.

    Jose just being honest, naming all the midfielders and they are all better equipped. Post prime Carrick is more valuable.
     
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    Yeah I mean I'm joking really, that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it again though, I think it probably will be one of the teams dropping out of the Champions League that wins it and they are a good side and could easily be one of those teams. Would be amazing to see if they did it once more though, would quite like to see it. Southampton would be nice too but I think the selling all their best players and managers thing might finally be catching up with them.

    Fixed that for you mate, have faith!

    Always better when the Champions League teams drop out.
     
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    Champions League with Porto is the only truly impressive feat to be honest. He's done well obviously but going to the teams with basically limitless pots of money makes things a little easier to be honest, done pretty well with it but nothing too out of the ordinary considering resource. Real Madrid was fairly unsuccessful all things considered and the state he left teams like Inter and Chelsea (the second time around especially) have showed the problems with his management. Don't get me wrong he is a very good manager, but to say he's some kind of perfect manager/managerial genius would just be wrong.
     
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    Beating Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern to win the CL with Inter isn't impressive? Winning the domestic league in 4 countries and 8 leagues in 14 seasons isn't impressive? Who is a better active manager than him?
     
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    All Pep's trophies have an asterisk beside them. I believe a trophy won with Man City will be his first true non asterisk accomplishment.
     
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    It's impressive of course. But it's not an outstanding achievement, had an amazing team but yeah well done to him for that. Wining the domestic League in those countries when I think every time he had the team with the most money (barring Chelsea the other year when he essentially had no competition, and he still had barrels full of money, the season after City win the League they don't compete. It's tradition.) Again 8 leagues in that time, you should do given those sorts of resources he has had.

    Winning the Champions League with Inter a good achievement, with Porto a better one. Not out of this world though, the Champions League with Liverpool with the team they had at the time, from 3-0 down against a superb AC Milan side. That's a far better achievement than Porto. Winning the League with the favourites for relegation in Leicester. Beyond Mourinho's wildest dreams that.

    As for current managers who are better than him, I would say Ancelotti, Simeone, Benitez, Klopp, Wenger (for the long term health of the club although probably are dozens of managers who fit that he is not good for clubs in the long term, titles or not) are all better than him. Quite a few more I suspect as I don't think he's quite the manager he used to be, even assuming he isn't his record with youngsters pull him down further in my view as that's pretty important. Not to mention the style his sides play, in that sense he is simply a better version of Sam Allardyce.

    But for an isolated 3 year period there's not many managers who will achieve more when given the sort of funds he gets given. Moving outside of that, he falls down the list.
     
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    I am getting a signal that the weak era thing is now being used in football. And money isn't automatic success.

    Don't be joking, Liverpool's title isn't a more impressive one than Porto's. The final turnaround was epic, not denying that. But you should look at the entire Porto's road. Real and Marseille in the group. Manchester United first knockout round opponent. Then the French powerhouse Lyon. Followed by Deportivo, one of strongest Spanish clubs in early 00s who destroyed defending champions Milan in the 2nd leg one round before. Monaco, who knocked out Real, in the final. Sure they didn't face Milan, but Porto were bigger underdogs that season to go all the way.

    Out of all those, I might give you Ancelotti because of him not flopping anywhere really, though his league record is extremely average for such a manager with a very long career that started just before this millennium. Only 3 leagues. Simeone, a few titles and good runs in Europe. But you could just as easily say that Barcelona and Real underperformed back when Atletico won the league (as neither crossed 90 points mark that is recently a routine for them), like you said about Chelsea's most recent title when their rivals didn't do well. Also, Simeone's playing style is much uglier yet you aren't criticizing him for that. Benitez, what is it that puts him above Mourinho? 2 league titles and 2 CL finals with Valencia and 1 CL with Liverpool in what was a longer career? Or do you give big value to his Liverpool knocking Mourinho's Chelsea out of CL twice? Did you see how his succession of treble winning Inter managed by you-know-who turned out? Or his journey from Real's coach to the 2nd division Newcastle coach in just one year? What is putting Klopp above? What is putting Wenger above? A golden EPL and 3 leagues overall in 20 years of management while finishing 4th being a tradition for one period?

    Now, some say most of these coaches didn't coach the biggest clubs (but the likes of Valencia, Atleti, BVB, Arsenal instead) and that Mourinho was expected to win as much as he has because of the resources, but why is that the case that they never got a chance to be in that position while Mourinho did, in every country, even after not having the best ending in some of his spells? If he was always trusted with such big jobs and a good amount of money, doesn't that speak of how everyone sees him as a fantastic manager capable of turning everyone into a winning team, quickly? I might be focusing too much on the trophies, but keep in mind that he has beaten all of those coaches in that aspect (except Ancelotti's CLs) despite being just over a decade in the managing business himself which is probably just a half of his entire career.

    Btw, if the condition in which the manager leaves his team is so important, I wonder how would you rate Sir Alex. He won more than anyone else could imagine but the club has struggled since his departure. Is that a minus for him?
     
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    Benitez?

    CANNOT BREATHE
     
  29. Poisoned Slice

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    City with another win today.

    United vs City next.

    Thank goodness Eddie Hearn doesn't control the football.
     
  30. Tiki-Taka

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    So it's United, City and Chelsea all winning their opening three games. Can't remember if the English league ever had 3 teams with 9 points after 3 matches. Can't wait to see anything two of these three clash.

    Weirdly, in the previous La Liga season, Barca were the only team to win their opening two games. All other 19 teams already dropped points...
     
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    A weak year. It was, the closest contender Man City the year after they won the league and Arsenal. Perennial chokers. So it makes it easier.

    Liverpool beat some great teams on the way and they were **** back then. They had Djimi Traore starting the final - in fact playing the entire 120 minutes. Milan Baros leading the line. No way were Porto bigger underdogs, a quality team and a great run no mistake. Nowhere near the favourites, but Liverpool were not a very good side back then. It was a pretty average team. Nobody was expecting them to go all the way.

    I'm rating the managers on their ability as managers not in achievements. Achievements are at the mercy of the clubs you are at so you have to use other things. Like achievements relative to expectations, building teams, buying and bringing through youth players, and leaving the club in a healthy state when they leave. No question Mourinho has a great record in terms of achievements. But those other things he falls down on. Inter is the best example, you use it as a stick to beat Benitez with, but look at how Inter have done since then. It was an old team, they didn't reinvest so they struggled. Mourinho got out at the right time. Have Inter even been back in the Champions League since then?

    Yeah people keep going for him, because of what he gives, short term success. It's easy to be blinded by that, in recent times his weaknesses have been exposed a little more.

    Yes I would rate him very highly, (although two Champions Leagues in 26 years is nothing special, not quite 3 in 8) don't like him one bit, but he's been a fantastic manager on all those terms that I mentioned. Don't think he left the team in too bad state they just hired someone for whom the job was too big to succeed him in Moyes (similarly to Hodgson at Liverpool).

    Yes Benitez. A manager who turned a team with a bunch of average players into Champions of Europe, and then turned the same club into a genuine European heavyweight always fighting at the end of the Champions League and challenging for the title. All meanwhile with a couple of cowboy owners strangling the club. Not to mention his prior record of breaking the Barca Real Madrid stranglehold of La Liga, and winning a European trophy or too himself with Valencia. Not to mention a European trophy and third place for Chelsea in a season with his own fans baying for his blood every single game. Yes, Benitez.
     
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    Well you won't have to wait long, Manchester Derby after the international break I believe.
     
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    In other news, Allardici's first squad as England manager.

    Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

    Defenders: Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur).

    Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Michail Antonio (West Ham United), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Danny Drinkwater (Leicester City), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Theo Walcott (Arsenal).

    Strikers: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City).

    No Crouch bit of a strange one for him Carroll injured of course otherwise he'd be in, no Defoe either to get feed on the knock downs bit surprising. Long balls up to Kane it is then. Guess he's pretty tall. Still a work in progress trying to get Kevin Davies and Kevin Nolan out or retirement I guess.

    Can't bring myself to support England these days, even less so with Allardyce in charge. Gonna be interesting though, and by interesting I mean, excruciating. Let the horror show begin.
     
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    My top 5 coaches in no order right now

    Pep
    Jose
    Simeone
    Conte
    Ancelotti (despite his miserable league record)
    Lets not re-write history. He didn't break the Real Barca stranglehold. It had been a massive 2 seasons since someone else had won the league in Spain. Deportivo came 2nd the first year Valencia won the title. It isn't like the team he took over where not a good side, they had been in the previous 2 champions league finals. They where a penalty shoot out from being European champions La Liga was very competitive back then. Great accomplishment of course.

    The reality is Mourino has been a better manager than Benitez, I think they are both past their best due to changes in the game. However Jose has remained relevant. Lets compare their respective Real Madrid failures for example. One wins La Liga, the other lasts 6 months lol.

    He only challenged for the title once at Liverpool. and they choked, partly due to him.

    Re Inter, not really a fair analysis but once Rafa got sacked that team actually got back into the title race and pushed AC. TBF, I don't judge Rafa on Inter, he never had a chance. Those players worshipped Jose and you replace him with a manager with so little charisma. It was only ever going to go one way.

    The Napoli years where not great either. Last 4 seasons 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 2nd. The bolded ones are the Rafa years

    He will take Newcastle up tbf. Or at least I hope he does lol.

    Benitez is a good coach and that 2005 accomplishment was great, but it happens in knockout football. Greece 2004 for example. In fact at that time the games was like that, defense was dominant. Hence Benitez and Jose being arguably the two top coaches in europe during those years.
     
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