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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Tardigrade

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    I don't think Ibra's lack of intensity was the issue, I thought it was because he didn't like Guardiola's tactics. In truth, if Ibra would have adapted, I think he could have had a great career at Barca.




    Barcelona never got figured out, they simply lost some matches they should have won. The only matches they were outplayed were the two legs Bayern played against them. Oh yeah they got outplayed against Arsenal, but just outplayed Arsenal even more in the next leg. Most teams have beaten Barcelona by hoping they don't score and getting a sneaky goal.



    I do fear for Barcelona once Messi and Iniesta leave. Why didn't Halilovic stay at Barca?
     
  2. Tiki-Taka

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    He definitely would have.

    Some of the teams started playing ultra defensive against us, parking the bus as some say. It irritates me when that happens in the league and if later in the season those teams just bend over for Real, disgusting. Chelsea displayed that tactic perfectly in our CL tie in 2011-12 and sneaked a win, though I guess it was justice since we sneaked the previous tie when Iniesta scored that amazing goal in injury time. Bayern were brutal. Real did very well at our stadium in the cup that season as well, beat us 3-1.

    I fear for the times after Messi (he is both an amazing playmaker and goalscorer) much more than after Iniesta. Today's win really impressed me. Controlled the game without him on the pitch. I guess we managed to recover from Xavi's departure. Halilovic couldn't break into our team, was on loan in Gijon and now is in Hamburger SV. There is a buy-back clause in his contract worth 10 million though so he could still return in a few seasons.
     
  3. Tardigrade

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    I remember watching a video on Halilovic and Odegaard a few years ago, these two are surely greats of the future.


    You can relax about Messi, he's going nowhere. As for Iniesta, he's still got 'it', which I'm glad, he can still be a force for another three/four seasons just because of his vision and passing ability. This is basically why Barca are genius; Their best players can play as long as someone like Giggs/Maldini due to the fact they don't even need pace to play football (although Giggs did, he's really an exception to the rule).
     
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    I wasn't thinking about him leaving the club soon but his retirement. If he ever returns to Argentina it will be when he gets really old.

    Yes, it definitely helps when your star players apart from being loyal have great longevity as well. Giggs was playing in many different positions over all the years. Striker, winger and I even saw him play center midfielder sometimes in his last years. Kinda preferred Scholes though, he was just unreal.
     
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    Ok so why did Inter never qualify for the Champions League after that? Up to and including last season. Why were they nowhere near that season until they spent money in January?

    It's no worse than most managers, 4 points off the top, which is how Real Madrid finished the first season with Mourinho so I can't imagine it being too different. Barcelona also beat Real Madrid 5-0 in November that year, so the similarities continue. As I think we have both mentioned though neither the players or fans really wanted Ancelotti to go so Benitez was doomed unless he was about 10 points ahead at that point. Not really much to blame for, just like Benitez having the fans on his back at Chelsea (although they were worse then to be honest), he did a good job there, won them a trophy too, but likewise he wasn't to blame there. Just the more fondly thought of man being got rid of so what could he do?

    Well Di Maria was amazing first few months in general I think having a player like him had people excited for a while, about what they could do with people like him, but yeah lost the first game to Swansea if I remember rightly, so I guess that dampened the early expectations (which there were a fair amount, people were going mad about Van Gael). While Mourinho's made a good start albeit against poor teams the wins are there.

    Well yeah instant success, but he's like an instant coffee, does the job nothing to exciting but bring what you need in the short term, but after a while you think - instant coffee tastes terrible, I want proper coffee. On the other thing - of course Ferguson is one of the best managers ever so it's always going to be unlikely tat someone is as successful as him. But these days there are not many long staying managers, after Arsene Wenger the longest serving Premier League manager is Eddie Howe, who's been there just under 4 years. Boards are less patient in general. Ferguson may not have lasted given his early record in the modern era. But given all this it's all the more important to leave a club in a good state to continue to be successful after leaving as a mark of a good manager.
     
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    Giggs is the only winger who's balance is comparable to Messi's, no doubts. For me, they were too different to compare. Some of Giggs' goals were Messi class. Most Barcelona fans say Scholes is simply the best midfielder the PL has ever seen. I would have liked to see him play a season at Barca just to say England produced a midfielder worthy of playing for Pep's Barcelona team (probably the highest honour as a midfielder). Most of our midfielders are grossly overrated. They wouldn't even know what to do playing in Barcelona; Scholes would simply fit right in. Maybe the only other British player capable of playing in Barca would have been Carrick; But Busquets is better slightly.
     
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    Maybe it's because some players didn't perform crazy good like they did under Mourinho who basically got beyond maximum out of them and also because of several others leaving to other clubs? Surely you can't blame club's sudden drop on a man who guided them to the top. He left them at the top as well. The team suddenly falling after his departure should be a sign that he clearly knew how to do his job there much better than anyone else.

    From what I remember Mou's only problem in the beginning was Barcelona while he dealt with all other opponents. Eventually his El Clasico record ended up being quite even as well. After Ancelotti, Mou was Real's best coach in the last decade or so. Real are the most impatient club so as I said previously yes Rafa shouldn't be blamed much.

    Losing to Swansea, drawing against Burnley and choking a 3-1 lead against Leicester (and it's not the miracle Leicester we are talking about) in the opening 4 games was awful. Those teams aren't something to talk about either to be fair. Di Maria was amazing definitely, sometimes I wonder how beautiful it would have been to still have him here, that would have been an awesome attacking force.

    Yep, only Wenger is a long serving manager and it's pretty much because his ambitions are recently the same as club's ambitions - low. Fans aren't really supporting him anymore are they.
     
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    I guess Giggs was Man United's Messi. :)

    It's not just the fans that applaud Scholes. Xavi called him the best midfielder in the last 20 years, Iniesta called him a living legend, Messi called him an inspiration, phenomenon Ronaldo called him a phenomenon, Ronaldinho expressed his wish to know how to pass like him... And this is just the quotes from our players, I am sure other greats gave greatest compliments to him as well. Him, Xavi and Iniesta in the midfield and Messi would have scored a hat trick or at least a brace in every game and I am not exaggerating.

    English players never seemed to do well abroad. Right now I can't think of any well known Englishman playing outside of the country, Bale being the only British. The recently retired ones I remember are Beckham and Hargreaves.
     

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