The TT Football Club

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    There's alot of talk about the great start, but in reality it was only a few games. It all started to go downhill against Blackpool in the second half, we were 4-0 up in no time and took our foot off the gas. Ancelotti was mad they didn't carry it on and showboated through the second half, and you can see why now.

    I don't really think there's a quick fix, if it's going to sort itself out then it will, hopefully it's on Sunday!
     
  2. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    I know he's the one who made it possible with his checkbook in the first place, but Red Rom creates a poisonous environment and that shows in the long run.

    Look at the quality managers he's been through in just a few years: Ranieri, Jose, big Phil and now Carlo.......the writing is on the wall for Carlo, even though it's not his fault.
     
  3. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    Yeah, for someone who must be pretty shrewd to of achieved what he has, Abramovich does make some strange choices sometimes.

    To be fair to him, replacing Ranieri with Mourinho turned out to be a very good move. I can also understand why he got rid of Mourinho when he did, he wanted a better image for the club and a better style, something which he got in the end with Ancelotti. Scolari was never really the right way to go, and Abramovich knew it, he thought he had Ancelotti then but he got cold feet and stayed in Italy for another year.

    What he's doing to Ancelotti now is probably the strangest thing he's done, he's got a manager who won the double in his first season and is loved by everyone, which creates good feeling towards the club. Added to that Ancelotti is a man who can take alot of interference, he's the perfect manager for Chelsea. When I ask myself who could come in and do a better job, the only names would be Ferguson and Mourinho, no way are either of those going to be coming to Chelsea, so why mess it up? It's a strange.
     
  4. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    I much prefer Carlo's brand of football over Mour's.

    I got to the point right before he left that that I wouldn't even watch Chelsea as they were so boring. Too much like "1-nil to the Arsenal" ;)
     
  5. bad_call

    bad_call Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2006
    Messages:
    5,437
    strange officiating during the Olympique Marseille vs Chelsea game last nite. :confused: in the end OM's physical persistence managed the win.
     
  6. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
  7. NickC

    NickC Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,436
    Location:
    East Coast, USA. Formally Tucson, AZ
    Carlo's is fine, and I sure as hell don't want him to leave, but Mou's teams are capable of some awesome stuff, his current team at Madrid reminds me of Chelsea's 2005 side, who played amazingly good football, with Robben and Duff on the wings! They were by and far the most attractive side in Europe at the time. Fena, do you remember that team? Amazing stuff!

    I like what Mou is doing in Spain at the moment, it might be down to the players he has at his disposal, but I have watched Madrid several times this season and I am impressed with what he's done. I can only imagine what's going to happen to their midfield when Kaka becomes healthy, I think he'll replace Khedira and Alonso will be benched in favor of a more defensive midfielder and the wing backs will play a more supporting or defensive role. I don't care how lopsided it is, an attacking midfield line of Kaka and Ozil playing creators with Di Maria and Ronaldo on the wings with Higuian up front is absurd. I gave it a try in Football Manager 10 (granted, my team has a much better defensive midfielder than Lassana Dirra in Michael Essien) and I hit Barcelona for 6 goals, and I'm atop La Liga by 12 points.
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2010
  8. Cesc Fabregas

    Cesc Fabregas Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    8,318
    David Silva is utter class, probably the best playmaker in the league apart from Fabregas.
     
  9. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    Should of won that one. Terry was insane, Puyol, Ferdinand, Lucio etc.. Great defenders, but they don't come near to Terry at his best like that.

    Great game all round though really, I think Tottenham only had 1 shot on target but they contributed alot with their wilingness to go forward.
     
  10. Cesc Fabregas

    Cesc Fabregas Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    8,318
    Problem is Terry has been injury prone and had some very shakey seasons the past few years, he had only really one great season which was Mourinho's first. Thats why he isn't among the elite defenders in the world. Plus he's always looked poor at International tournaments for England.
     
  11. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    Lol nah, people just raised their expectations of him after his breakthrough to the elite of the game. Last season he was amazing, but people don't see his performances for what they are. If someone like a Roger Johnson or a Dawson play a few good games they get all the plaudits because it's not really expected of them, whilst when Terry puts in an 8/9 out of 10 performance it's expected.

    I wouldn't say he's been poor at International tournaments, he had 4 clean sheet in the 2006 World Cup. He was also very good this summer, who can forget his diving stop with his chest against Slovenia. He had to play with Carragher, King and the hapless Upson, when you consider how he couldn't get used to a partner and was often played on the wrong side to accomadate Upson, his performances were even more impressive. When you have a half fit Barry infront of you and Upson who needed someone to hold his hand, there wasn't alot he could do against the good Germany side.

    I don't think it's a coincidence that he's been in every FIFPro side for the last 5 season (the only player to do so), not to mention him being voted as the best defender in Europe 3 times in 5 years.

    David Villa, probably the best striker on the planet also says John Terry is the best he has ever played against..

    "There is plenty of respect from Villa for the English league. Asked to name the best defender he has played against, he answers, perhaps unexpectedly: "Maybe John Terry. Not just because of his reputation for being tough, but because he is a great defensive player."


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/18/david-villa-barcelona-spain

    Not among the elite defenders? I'd have to disagree with that.
     
  12. Breaker

    Breaker Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    7,725
    He's alright but he's no Vincent Kompany or anything.
     
  13. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    Thank goodness! :)

    Nice to see Ferreira showing how to deal with Bale! I don't know how he managed it for the whole 90 minutes, the pace throughout was so frenetic.
     
  14. Breaker

    Breaker Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    7,725
    Lol you wouldn't know it from the commentary, every time Bale touched the ball they made it seem like he was Maradona at the 1986 World Cup beating 10 players then putting in the most 'delicious' cross ever only for his worthless teammates not to be in the correct position, the superlatives were getting out of hand. My favourite was at the last free kick "will one swish of the Welsh Wizard's left boot be able to wipe out all of Chelsea's progress in this game". Too funny to me.
     
  15. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Any neutral opinions on the outcome of today's clash?

    I'm anything but neutral on this one :)

    Breaker, nice piece in the guardian today on the importance of Silva as opposed to Tevez. He was a great buy by Mancini. I've really enjoyed the way they've set up the team over the last few weeks: much more offensive minded.
     
  16. SempreSami

    SempreSami Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    3,627
    Location:
    UK
    Essien prolly should have been sent off when he landed with his studs on Bale's leg in the first half.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2010
  17. Chosen One

    Chosen One New User

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    31
    yeah haha

    10qw0xsi
     
  18. Breaker

    Breaker Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    7,725
    Personally I think Arsenal are about to get embarrassed but hope I'm wrong. United are looking strong and have had a lot of time to prepare for this one, I don't see Nasri having that great a game with Fletcher hacking him down every opportunity. Also forwards like Chamakh tend to get dominated by the United defence so could see another game where Arse have a lot of possession but don't really threaten. On the other side Arsenal's defending still looks weak and could see Nani having a field day if up against Clichy especially. 3-1 is what I think.

    Yeah I saw the article and it's nice to see Silva getting the recognition he deserves..never loses the ball and is a fantastic playmaker. I think Tevez is definitely more important but Silva is as Cesc said is probably already top 3 in terms of playmaking in the league. If Tevez does go he'll be even more important especially with a more natural centre forward to play off of. Still can't believe he only got one game at the World Cup and Jesus Navas got so much playing time!

    Also in the most important news of the day Big Fat Sam has been sacked, one of the last great hoof ball merchants of our time.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2010
  19. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    It was certainly worth a yellow, there wasn't a great deal of contact, but it was certainly a sore one.

    If you're talking about red cards then Hutton should of gone for his 2 footed tackle. Those are automatic red cards these days, even if you get the ball.
     
  20. NickC

    NickC Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,436
    Location:
    East Coast, USA. Formally Tucson, AZ
    Weak attacking display from Arsenal, they couldn't do anything tonight. Their passing was nonexistent and their midfield was useless.

    Was pretty impressed with Anderson, though. And LOL @ Rooney for completely screwing up that penalty. That was awful!
     
  21. SempreSami

    SempreSami Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    3,627
    Location:
    UK
    Arsenal exposed for what they are, a team of snide fouling little ****s who occasionally make a pretty pass.
     
  22. NickC

    NickC Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,436
    Location:
    East Coast, USA. Formally Tucson, AZ
    Agreed. They had nothing about them tonight and they fouled quite often. If this is what Wilshire has to offer, I wouldn't play him at all; he was crap. Nasri was awful as well, Arshavin was lazy and while he actually took a few shots (something the rest of the team was apparently afraid to do), he couldn't make a pass to save his life. Shame on me for listening to my Arsenal-obsessed roommate and making Nasri my captain for my fantasy team this week. Arsenal's central defense was alright though, but offensively they were a joke.

    United didn't offer much either; aside from Anderson and the goal by Park. Nani was decent but nothing special.

    EDIT: Come to think of it, why the fu*k was Nasri played as a winger? Everyone and their sister knows he's best when played in the center of the park and given space to roam.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2010
  23. Fandango

    Fandango Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    275
    Who is the fastest player in football?


    I think it's got to be between

    Aaron Lennon
    Fernando Torres
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Samuel Eto'o

    Thoughts?
     
  24. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    Arsenal were so poor. When the board went up for the 4 minutes of injury time, they seemed to be in no rush at all to get back into the game.
     
  25. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    +1, i was yelling that at the TV for the whole game.

    Wilshire looked horrible but the gunners defended well, other than Clichy. I was terrified every time, Nani ran at him.

    I hate to admit it but Manu deserved the points but TBH, Park had no clue where that header was going ;)

    Typical ManU performance, they did what they needed to do to win. Wouldn't have minded seeing Bendtner come on and play some more direct football.
     
  26. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    It was, wasn't it. I think the winner of the league this year will be the team who is the most consistent, i'm sure Chelsea and Arsenal will look more impressive at times but Man Utd will be the chamapions, possibly with Man City second.

    At the start of the season I said in this thread that Man Utd and Man City will be the top two, with Arsenal third and Chelsea 4th. I'm quite happy with that prediction now we're nearing the half way stage.
     
  27. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    I'll be pulling for the Blues on Sunday, I think Arsenal can still do it given their road record so far this year. It's nice to see a tight race this year.
     
  28. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    It's sacrilege for a Chelsea fan to say, but Tottenham are by far the best team to watch in the league this year, hopefully they can stay in the tight race that you mention. They're the most fun to play against for sure, against them you know they will be going for it and yesterdays game was more like basketball with the way the ball was going from one end to the other. I'm hoping they can get into the top 4 again, unfortunately at the moment it looks like it could be at our expense! :)
     
  29. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    ^^It's nice to see the level of entertaining play going up around the league.

    I like the way Spurs play as well and City is much more lively as well. If City played as positively against ManU the way they played the last few weeks, they would have likely beaten them.

    I'm impressed with Ballotelli but only time will tell if he's worth the hassle of his attitude.
     
  30. Cesc Fabregas

    Cesc Fabregas Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    8,318
    Shocking performance, didn't have enough possesion and create enough chances. Doesn't help with Howard Webb as ref though, a joke of a penalty decision and failing to see Rio karate kick Sagna.
     
  31. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    That's made my morning, F!:grin:
     
  32. Breaker

    Breaker Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    7,725
    I'd take out Torres and add Bellamy, Walcott, Bale, Pato, and Guerron.

    Bale seems to be the fastest around at the moment.
     
  33. bezs

    bezs Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    8,198
    The way Rooney shaped up to take the penalty it was like he was going to take a free kick.
     
  34. Messarger

    Messarger Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,828
    Another game at OT another Park goal.
     
  35. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Few random thoughts...

    "Name that player time"!... Ok, I watched a bit of the match yesterday... Ah yes... looks kind of familiar... I'm sure he used to be a really gifted, effective, on his day - world class - player... won a few trophies at Stamford Bridge before summer transfer up to scouse-land... hang on... wait a minute... is that Joe Cole?????!!!!! :confused: ... er, sorry, scrub that... actually, I think I've got it completely wrong.:wink:

    Re Sam Allardyce's sacking... I could and maybe should feel really bad about it and put up a staunch defense for him and how dare these chicken take-away people give him the boot and talk of getting a real marquee, top draw manager. The only slight problem is I think Allardyce's teams just happen to play the most hideous, backward horrendous football imaginable!:roll:

    Re Spurs/Chelsea match... I read a local (ie, North London) small paper report which described the game between the 2 as being "the tapas bar classic"... ??? ("Shrugs shoulders")... I think that's a 'diss' - LOL!...
     
  36. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Well Arsene was right in his predictions yesterday, we did draw Barca.

    NBD, after we finish them off, we'll likely run the table and pick up the trophy ;)
     
  37. bezs

    bezs Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    8,198
    More time for Fabregas to get familiarized to the Nou Camp.
     
  38. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    Ouch!! :)

    On a side note Ross, Bale will get a good look at his future home: the San Siro ;)
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2010
  39. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Double ouch!... yes, and I reckon he's an even bigger bet for Real with Jose M... if he's still a Spurs player come next August I'll be very surprised - he can generate a MASSIVE transfer fee.
     
  40. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    £40 Million for Bale is what i've been hearing, Tottenham could fill alot of gaps with that.
     
  41. NickC

    NickC Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,436
    Location:
    East Coast, USA. Formally Tucson, AZ
    40 million could win Spurs the league. I really think that that cash would make for some awesome new signings which, coupled with the right results and a bit of luck, could easily allow Spurs to finish top 4, and have a real go at the title. I'll put a few bucks on it too.

    Also, Fena, as I know you're a big fan of Serie A, I wanted to see what you thought of Napoli's Uruguayan forward Edinson Cavini? I have heard nothing but good things of him recently and I got a chance to watch their Europa League tie against Steaua and I saw plenty of positive stuff. How do you rate him? Is he usually that good week in week out? I admit I have not watched Serie A that much outside of Inter, I have been paying attention to La Liga a great deal more this season with Valencia kicking ass and whatnot.
     
  42. Feña14

    Feña14 Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,377
    Location:
    England
    He is pretty good to be fair to him, you can use him as a target man, he creates for Lavezzi and Hamsik and he's a great finisher. I don't think he's going to be a world beater, but he's certainly a very handy player.

    The one you want to watch is Matri at Cagliari, he finishes half chances for fun!
     
  43. bezs

    bezs Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    8,198
    A snowed out weekend of fixtures in England.
     
  44. PED

    PED Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,339
    While Chelsea and Manchester United got kind draws, the next round will be much tougher for Tottenham Hotspur, who take on the Serie A leaders. But Harry Redknapp, the Spurs manager, said:

    "I would have taken AC Milan before the draw. They are leading the league in Italy but it has the makings of a great game over two legs. You want to play the top teams in the world, that's what people want to see so it's a great chance to bring them to White Hart Lane for a great game. It's one to look forward to."

    You tell 'em Harry. I love the attitude. Like Ric Flair says, to be the man, you gotta beat the man!
     
  45. Dave M

    Dave M Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2007
    Messages:
    1,941
    Location:
    England
    Always like Harry, I like he's got spurs playing how we used to (what are you trying to do to us Avram?) exciting football that seems to be based on scoring goals rather than trying to bore opponents to death.£40 m spent wisely would as said sort a lot out could be good for the league.
     
  46. Dave M

    Dave M Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2007
    Messages:
    1,941
    Location:
    England
    QUestion for the day
    Who has scored a hat trick against 3 different 'keepers in the same match?
     
  47. Ross K

    Ross K Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,232
    Clue time!...................
     
  48. NickC

    NickC Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,436
    Location:
    East Coast, USA. Formally Tucson, AZ
    I forget who it was, but wasn't it for Reading against Chelsea a few years back when Chech suffered that injury and his backup got kneed in the face, so Terry had to play keeper for the last 20 minutes?
     
  49. Dave M

    Dave M Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2007
    Messages:
    1,941
    Location:
    England
    It was against Newcastle
    I remember the game, nicky Hunt wasn't it who caught Chech?
     
  50. SempreSami

    SempreSami Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    3,627
    Location:
    UK
    That game finished 1-0 to Chelsea.

    Stephen Hunt caught Cech in the head with his trailed leg as he jumped over him, then Ibrahima Sonko collided with Cudicini, which meant John 'my family is scum' Terry went in goal for the last few minutes.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2010

Share This Page