The US Open was a setup............

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  1. VamosRafa

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    I have to admit I didn't read every post in this thread -- I'm too busy moving, doing work, etc. Guess I do have another life after all.

    But my overall impression is, wtf?

    Andy did reach the Wimbly final after all. Did the All England Club rig that?

    And many players said they were unhappy with the Athens courts because it's much faster than the US Open courts. Perhaps that is why Massu and Fish lost early at the US Open??? :?:

    And I'm sure none of you have heard about the Aus Open's attempts to quicken the pace of rebound ace to increase the chance that Rafter or Hewitt would do well there. :roll:

    But the American conspiracy theories don't wash, especially when you have Aussie and Swiss players in the final. Lleyton had won it before, and well, Roger has proved he can conquer any surface.

    And look how the American women did on that surface? I mean, if they were quickening the surface, they could have been doing it for Serena, Lindsay, Jennifer and Venus, rather than for the Russians. :?:

    I know many of you don't like Andy, but I'll just pass on the advice that was given to me recently -- get a life!!!
     
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  2. bigserving

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    The original post was merely speculation, or opinion without any evidence, which is OK, after all, this is a discussion board. But at some point, common sense needs to come in.

    The fact is, Andy Roddick won this event last year. If the powers that be, wanted Roddick to win again, who in their right mind would change anything about the conditions? The line of thinking that winning conditions were changed to help Roddick, just does not make any sense.

    Then, the premise that faster conditions would somehow favor Roddick is also not very well thought out. Any player who can serve a buck forty on a regular basis is going to be able to hold serve pretty consistently on any surface. Roddick has had success on the slow courts at Indian Wells, Miami as well as other slow hard courts. He has even won the event on Houston on slow red clay, more than once.

    Having faster conditions for the event could actually hurt Roddick. Faster conditions would help weaker serving players serve bigger than normal. Roddick is not known for having a great return of serve. Having faster conditions would make it more difficult for Roddick to break serve. If someone were to try to favor Roddick, slowing down the conditions might be the way to go, not making them faster.

    Then again, Roddick won the event last year so why would anyone change anything if they wanted the conditions to favor him.
     
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  3. NoBadMojo

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    courier and jmac and others said they felt the courts were made faster and balls lighter expressly for roddick. i dont see anything wrong with it. its the usta and is the us open afterall and certainly done within the framework of the rules. would you expect a setup that wouldnt benefit the one dude who has the most impact on us tennis? that is tweaking. what is not tweaking is paving over 3 of the clay courts at daniels island and converting to hardcourts for the davis cup this weekend, only to revert them back to their original state after the event. tweaking would be rolling them more and watering them less to make them faster for roddick and company. ....for davis cup host countries that are benefitted by slower conditions i am sure they water their clay more and roll alot less. anything for an advantage and within the rules i would say. i like datacyphers idea of having something quantitative for a more fair and consistent surface. the usga has the stimpmeter so greens can only be so fast and has parameters for height of the rough and stuff. if the court speed and ball speed are at a reasonable level the tennis is better i think and more fair to the overall field in general IMO.
     
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  4. VamosRafa

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    Sorry, Ed, I thought you did have a problem with the US Open set up? I'm not sure there was a set up, but it seems you agree that it's not unusual for the USTA to favor its own. And Roddick isn't the only one the USTA would want to favor and, as you note, it didn't work here, if that was their goal.

    As for Davis Cup, I'm not sure I totally understand your point. Except that I can say, without a doubt, that the home team does whatever they can to disadvantage their opponents. It's just the way things are done, and it's expected. Tit for tat, and all that.

    It isn't fair, but then again, the next time a certain team has to play that team again, they know, it's going to be tit for tat. And having been in Europe for Davis Cup events, I can tell you that nothing in the USA could top that. Americans are not that obnoxious, notwithstanding their worldwide rep. At least not in Davis Cup.

    And there's a reason for that. Folks in Europe and elsewhere take Davis Cup a lot more seriously.
     
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  5. larrhall

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    Thanks, Ed. Still am interested in your new frame. Maybe you can post your mods over on the racquet boards for us...
     
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  6. NoBadMojo

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    susan i dont think i would have ever said i had a problem w. the conditions being set up but no worries and thanks for the apology....most appreciated ;0..i merely suggested they were and further suggested the irony about same. and i have defended roddick on a couple things in the past. larrhall do you mean the t10ve-mid? they swing just right for me stock and i have them strung at 55 w. bow brand gut. it may be a little too much of a bat for these old eyes though...
     
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  7. devila

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    How about discussing the irony of the French Open, Wimbledon and Australian Open?
    How about Madrid, Basel, Paris and Gerry Weber?
    There won't be a Roddick win in any of those places in the future!
    Who else matters except lucky Roddick?!
     
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