Discussion in 'Racquets' started by ClubHoUno, Mar 16, 2010.
Thanks for the suggestion TM. Definitely worth a try before selling.
I should have stated in my introduction that it came to me with 1 gm of lead @ 11 and 1 and strung @ 40 with V-Pro 16. This was first time ever trying an racquet at such low tensions. Definitely not for me.
If when you spin the stick in your hand it feels balanced, and when you swing it, it doesn't feel clunky, then leave the lead there.
V-Pro at 40# is on the loose side, especially if strung with a crank machine. V-Pro is one of the softest polys out there.
I find that even though the rackets are heavier than most and with my two sticks being 13 ounces plus the fact that it's a 93 inch head size, it's still one of the more forgiving sticks I've ever used.
I'm not trying to stir up trouble unless it comes to me. Respect you Jack B1
I hate fighting. I know that's a peculiar thing to say since I'm a lawyer. If I've had any part in closing down two threads, I apologize for that. I'm for free speech and exchange of ideas. Tennis Maverick you have lots of valuable advice to offer but it's the manner in which you offer it that I object to. I've noticed that you have tempered your advice about tennis strokes and tennis racquets, so I see this as a positive. Kudos to the tennis warehouse mods.
What are you, Manchu, my brotha?
Been playing with this frame for almost 3 months now... I can say it lived to expectations! This Volkl is clearly special.
So far... feel, stability and control... awesome!!
Still making some experiments, trying to figure out the best string setup to go with it.
Photos and details of your string setup would be much appreciated!
Has anyone tried a Luxilon Alu Pow Rough with a soft co-poly setup?
I've tried multis, full gut, and gut/poly hybrids. The hybrids are my favorite in the PB 10 Mid, just as in other frames. As requested, here are a couple photos of my two mids:
Klip X-Plosive 17g. 55,51. My all time favorite string. Plenty of power, feel, and bite. Crisp feeling also. 10+ hours and gut is just starting to fray. Should play well for another 10 hrs:
Klip Legend 17g, Klip Optic Nerve 17g. 55,51. My string supplier was out of K-Boom poly (used in X-Plosive) so I gave their softer poly a try. Love the yellow color. Much more muted feel, and less powerful. A softer hit, but still a great combo. 5+ hours of use.
That yellow looks awesome!!!
I want to try a few strings cheaper than Gut first.
For what i have read in this thread, i´ll end up with a gut/poly hybrid... but the price per setup is still something to consider...
And by the way, does anyone know where to buy Volkl Attiva pallet (europe)!?
And how to replace them? Never tried anything like it before.
Klip X-Plosive sells for $20 in the USA, even cheaper if you purchase the Legend and K-Boom seperately. Considering how long the 17g lasts me, I find it to be a great value.
I use a full setup of Lux Alu Rough. 50.5 or 51 lbs on the mains and 48 or 48.5 on the mains. I am liking it a lot. Power, control, spin everything is perfect for my game with these tensions. You should try it out and see how it works out for you.
I recently read through a few threads and I don't see what you object to. He talks like any other coach, and much milder than my football coaches or weight trainers. You have to be able to deal with criticism to excel; it's not personal.
Try this: http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageACVOLKLGH-VBSRGP6.html
so i have joined the volkl team...but i got a midplus. not sure if i will stick with it though!
Hi, I'm looking for a hybrid string recommendation for a bit more power and good spin potential. I know I want gut mains, but other than that, I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts.
I'm also open to all gut....
I'm in a similar situation as you, I'm going to try a gut hybrid in my PB10. I ordered what the TW folks recommended to me (Babolat VS 16 + Hurricane Tour 17), and will put the gut in the mains.
My question is tensions. I normally string with full multi at 56M/ 54C. I was told for gut go up 2 lbs and that polys like to be strung less than 52. I'm wondering how much difference in tension is Ok between mains and crosses. Is it workable to go 58 Main in gut and 50 in crosses for the poly?
Any advice is appreciated. FYI, I lean towards control over power, but would like both and stay arm friendly.
Keep in mind that the poly will reduce the power of the gut. You may not need to go 2 lbs higher with the gut since it is not a full bed. While I have not tried your exact hybrid, a 4 lb difference between the mains and crosses works well for my gut/poly hybrid.
I have three Of these sticks in my possession right now. Two Of them are marked 4 1/2 on the butt cap and have the distinct volkl handle shape. The other is marked L4 on the butt cap, has less Of a flare on the handle, perhaps less so of that rectangular handle shape, and the rubber stimulation sensor thing at the end of the handle is not covered by volkls grip tape.
Does my third stick have a different pallet? Anyone else notice this?
i got mine today, but have not tried it yet... Is the attiva pallett more like Wilson shaped?
is anyone having trouble controlling balls when strung at the mid to lower range in tension? I've been having to string it on the high end of the recommended tension range. It's good to start, but once the tension loss begins, my groundstrokes start sailing on me again.
I'm using a tourbite/gosen syn gut hybrid.
I strung my with Topspin Cyber Flash 52 Vertical and Babolat pro Hurricane Tour 50 Horizontal, I did not have any problem controlling the balls and still hit with the same strings for the last 1.5 month.
You miss the point my son. Many people pay Tennis Maverick to abuse their kids in order for them to excel. I get that. We posters on the TennisWarehouse boards on the other hand, are not paying Tennis Maverick to abuse us. This TennisWarehouse Board is a civil exchange of ideas. Football coaches and weight trainers are employed and paid to improve skills.
Any criticism is personal, my brotha.
Just picked up this racket and dont care for it
total of one hour played on it and is still in perfect condition.
email me if you want
haggs11 at y a h o o d o t c o m
Hit 3 sessions on my new arriving pb10 lite. Also borrow to a friend whom is very particular on racket n string. V all agree this is an excellent masterpiece. My friend even offer me if I wanna sell hahaha. One strung with power fiber ii another with gripper, both volkl string at 55lb. Like both but gripper better perhaps due its more power n pb10 even is lite still a little lack of power. So gripper just nice to cover up afterall feel, control, power r my preference in sequence.
My next project is to test it out with Adrenalin (m) and multi (c). Got a feeling that it will play pretty good and maybe better that current setting...but needa test it out first.....
So did ClubHoUno finally get perma banned? What'd he do?
I string mine at 53.5M/50C with Gripper 16 gauge, and my standard rally ball quality is very flat. Not only don't my shots sail, they frequently land short if I don't keep a loose hand on my FH and don't lengthen my contact area on my BH. Are you stringing the syn gut 2-3 lbs tighter than the poly as you should?
Recently got this racket and had a question about tension to string at. I normally string my BLX90 @ 55/57 poly/syn gut. I've read that you should string cross 2-4lbs lower on the cross for this racket. Is this still the case if you are using a poly/syn gut hybird? What do you recommend I string at?
Thanks in advance!
If you stringer is a good craftsman and you are using a constant pull machine, I would venture to say that your BLX90 is possibly a little boardy. With that being said, compensating for hybrids is dependent on the strings used--obviously--and the string pattern. With the PB 10 Mid's open 16 main pattern, I would suggest that you START by stringing the mains and crosses the same. Then, see if the crosses move laterally too much, which means that they need to be tightened, or if the mains move too much, which means that the face will be boardy. Adjust accordingly.
I demoed the PB that was strung with Tornado (1.23) at 53/50.5 and it was a beast. So much pace, very precise placement. I also loved the 16x19 string pattern which allowed more loopy spins and much better placement on running forehand crosses. I was also pleasantly surprised because I didn't have any arm issues because of the poly.
So after the demo I purchased 2 pieces of 2 PB mid's. I strung one of them with RIP control (1.30) at 50.5. Yesterday I played a match and really couldn't get dialled in. A lot of my balls were too long (10-15 inches). After barely taking first set, I was quickly down 0-3 on the second one. So I decided to switch to my old racquet - Head youtek Radical MP, strung exactly the same - RIP control (1.30) at 50.5 and won easily 6-3.
So my main problem with PB with this set-up were (too) long balls. Do you have any suggestions on what to do with the tension? Should I go higher with the tension and if yes how far? I play on clay and the temperatures are around 80-90 degrees F (25-30 celsius).
That's too loose with that string, in that weather, red clay or not. Go up 5 lbs minimum, and string the mains, 3.5 lbs or 1 kg tighter than the crosses. 57.5M/54C. You'll get more bite, more feel, and longer dwell time. This tension drop is also a Volkl recommendation, and everyone who has tried it, is happy.
TennisMaverick thanks for your quick reply.
If you don't mind I would also like to ask you if you think that poly strings play better than multis in PB mid?
Straight poly plays really well. Rip control is a different animal. Many have used straight poly, like Cyclone 17, in both mains and crosses, strung at low tensions, between 43.5M/40C- 40M/36.5C. I stung two sticks for Hominator at 40M/37C and he loved it, even with his arm issues.
I personally prefer multis, because I have shoulder issues, plus I hit fairly flatter, with just a little roll, as my rally shot, and I hit 65% slice BH/35% roll BH. If I hit heavy top, it is for a short angle, topspin lob, a loop to buy time, or a passing shot. I use my frame for precision, and poly for heavy topspin, is useless for me, since I only use that ball quality for specific shots, and not my main shot. I also haven't been on clay since Portugal in '93, and Har Tru, maybe 10 times per summer, so again, heavy loopy balls are not needed on hard court. But with that being said, re-read this thread from the beginning. Many love full poly strung loose.
As I mentioned before I really like Rip control in my Head YT Radical MP as it allows me to hit every ball very hard and they all land in, I can put the balls where I want, finesse shots are superb and it is great on my arm. I was also experimenting a bit with Signum pro Tornado, but after I strung it under 22kgs (48 lbs) I experienced problems, as many of my balls were landing out of the court. I had no problems with directional control just with length of my balls. However if I strung it higher I could feel my arm after the match.
Then I tried PB mid strung with Tornado at 53M/51C and it was a monster. Some of my balls were going a bit far, but not more than 10-20 centimeters (4-8 inches). I also didn't have sore arm after 2 hours of play.
So now I am a bit scared to go full poly with very low tension as I am afraid I will suffer with (too) many balls flying way too far.
I will also do as suggested and read whole tread from beginning to the end.
I forgot to mention that my frames are strung with Gripper at a comparable 60M/56.5C.
I ordered one of my racquets to be strung with Signum pro Tornado (1.23) at 24M/23C (53/50.5 lbs). Hopefully the weather will be fine in the evening, so I can have a hitting session and will write a short report afterwards.
One more thing: after reading the whole tread I noticed that there is consensus to string crosses looser than mains. Some even strung their crosses more than 1kg (2 lbs) looser than mains? Do you think I should also try more than 1kg difference?
Yes, definitely. the mains are substantially longer than the crosses, and the DNX stiffens the crosses a lot. The 1.5-2.0 kg difference used to be the old Volkl recommendations, and they came back in vogue with the DNX frames in 2005, as per Volkl, but were not advertised other than by the sales reps.
Wanted to thank TM first of all for all the useful info regarding string setup and racquet mods. I read the above recommendation, but when I looked at the pics that Hominator posted of his racquets it looks like the lead tape is centered at the 3/9 position (cross strings 7 through 15 from top of frame). Also looks like more than 1 gram on each side, each strip looks to be about 4" in length (unless Hominator is using 1/8" strips).
I got my PB10s a couple of days ago and have only hit once. Had a very tough time finding the sweet spot which surprised me, because I was hitting the previous day with a BLX 6.1 95 and was hitting almost everything solid (probably not much relevance in that observation, it just frustrated me). Similar string/tension setup in the BLX and PB10s (poly main, syn gut cross slightly below midpoint of recommended range, crosses at 2 less tension than mains). Is your 2/10 recommendation the best starting point for me to get dialed in on this racquet?
You have a hard time finding the sweet spot because the PB 10 Mid plays lighter than it is and moves faster than you'd expect. I suggest that you read this whole thread from the beginning.
Go to page 12 on this thread, comment#223 for PB 10 Mid lead tape placements. But the 2/10 mod is the best place to start. I've done this on-court for people and they were immediately happy with the difference.
The sweet spot in the PB10 Mid is not at the center of the string bed. It is a little higher up.
Signum pro Tornado (1.23) at 24M/23C (53/50.5 lbs)
So far I have played 3 times. All three session were done on clay in sunny weather, temperatures around 25°C
What I noticed straight away is that the balls are quite loopy and have higher trajectory compared to 18x20 string pattern. Apparently the ball accelerates when it bounces off the ground.
On session one and two I played a match. I won both of them fairly easily. My opponents said they were very confused with the trajectory and the bounce of the balls and said they had problems with adjusting the point of impact. Sometimes they thought the ball will go out and it landed in the court with quite a margin.
The third session was one hour drill. On this session I could finally find everything the racket has to offer. I was amazed on the variety I could get out of it - out of both wings; spin, flat, slice, topspin moon-balls, drop shots, drives, volleys, drop shot volleys. I could do basically anything from both sides of the court without a problem. I got plenty of power with the setup. Sometimes even too much for my liking. Access to spin was great. However I don't have problems generating spin with any setup. I could easily flatten out on higher balls and also on down the line shots with much success. Slices are a beast with this setup. At the net, the setup also performed great. I had some problems with the serves. Especially with the 1st serve percentage. I would say my 1st serve percentage dropped below 50%, maybe even 40%. Kick serve on the other hand was a killer.
The string is almost done. Judging from the marks it will snap in an hour or two. I didn't notice any pain or arm soreness.
I have couple of league matches in the coming days, but as soon as the time allows it I am going to experiment with different setup's (poly, multi and hybrid). I will also try to go 2 kg lower on the crosses instead of 1 kg. Furthermore I will also try a setup with very low string tension.
Leather Grip Thickness
I'm thinking about replacing the stock grip on my PB10 Mids with leather and have seen lots of info here regarding weight of leather grips. My question is regarding thickness of the various leather grips. I'd like to slightly increase grip size from what I have with the stock grip. I'm thinking either Volkl or TW(1.5), does anyone know which is thicker - or are there any other brands I should consider? Trying to go up no more than 1/2 size and will be using an overwrap over the leather.
As an aside, a belated thank you to TM for the guidance on lead tape at 10 and 2. It achieved the desired results and I love the racquet more ever time I play with it.
No prob....glad it worked for you!
I cannot compare the grips, but I've used the Volkl grip for over 15 years. As with Fairways, Volkl grip can be reconditioned--washed with mild soap and rejuvenated with hand lotion--and really last.
I freakin love this thing!
after testing a bit and tuning a bit ive gone for this:
a total of 14g lead at 10 and 2 (any comments on this? I just started off placing some at those spots and like it, what would be a good alternative to try out?)
string: Topspin cyberflash 1.25 @ 23.5kg (around 52lbs)
em... and an overgrip
I freakin love this thing! I come from a Microgel Prestige Pro, and that was definitly a good stick, but im packing soo much more punch when I hit flat (serves) with the volkl! Also the control for my nice lefty forehand down the line is insane. I just came off the court, and it is already loudly begging me to go out and hit some more!
me is happy
regards from the Netherlands!
Have one of these on the way. Had the seller string it up with his personal preference which was gosen og micro in crosses and cyclone 17g in mains. Im pretty excited about it!
Can anyone comment on how this racquet compares to the PSTGT or MG Radical MP?
P.S. If I like the stick enough, I may still take you up on your offer. I just couldn't resist the offer that I received from someone else.
Does that mean that you are leaving me hanging on the sticks which you asked me to wait?!
Sorry TM, I forgot that I had asked you to wait. It's entirely my fault. Sorry if it's prevented any sales though I'm sure you won't have any trouble selling them at such an awesome price. Again, if I find the stick to be good enough then I'll take you up on your offer if it's still on the table. If it isn't then I totally understand.
If you have one for sale, send me an e-mail though profile. I'm looking for one.
My sticks are pristine.
this racquet introduced to the market 2010?
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