Discussion in 'Racquets' started by ClubHoUno, Mar 16, 2010.
US Open 2009
I've been flip-flopping between this racquet and a Wilson BLX 95 (open pattern)... Something just keeps bringing me back to my Volkl. The control, touch, and feel on this frame are just unparalleled, and the stock specs are perfect for me. I've settled on the Volkl, the best!
Im thinking about trying out the club ...
I currently play the head pc600s and love them.
A friend of mine is a Volkl rep and thought I may love this stick so he gave me a new one to stringup and tryout. Looks great and it has some pretty good reviews. Im afraid I may like it and then need to get some more. Wonder if it could give me an edge over the pc600s ? The specs are really impressive especially the RDC of 59, 19mm bw, and the composition of DNX, Carbon, and Fiberglass. Been awhile since I played a racket with fiberglass, this must be a fun hitter. Should I dare risk a new romance ?
One poster told me that the new London racket is the way to go ? The pb10 sure looks nice, I really want to give it a try.
Dude....if your rep is in SoCal, tell him what I said. He will definitely confirm.
Played with my PB10 a bit more today. The feel is awesome as ever but I need a tad more pop. Currently my PB10 is strung with OGSM 16g @57lbs in the crosses and Cyclone 17g @55lbs in the mains.
Can anyone recommend a string setup that would give me a bit more pop than this current string setup? I hear a full bed of Cyclone works pretty well and isn't too hard on the arm. I've also been eager to try XCel but have read that multi's don't really work well on this racquet.
Try adding .75 grams--1.5 in of 1/2 in tape--at 2/10 first, and see if that does the trick.
Sounds like a plan. I'll report back with results.
NRG2 and X1 are both multis and work great on this racquet
.starting to get elbow issues up and down, especially on off-center hits, and some minor shoulder issues. I'm looking for something softer so i might just give stick a go. Looking for some nice flex, good ball pocketing and a soft string bed. Looking for a solid stick with good plow but not too heavy to feel sluggish when trying to bring it around to put enough spin on the ball. I’m hoping the PB10 mid is lively and launches the ball with a plush feeling. Also thinking of ditching full poly and using a poly/syngut hybrid in it in the low 40s (left over Black Code with Forten Sweet 16g @ 42/42)
The PB10 mid should work really well for you - you pretty much described it.
i've been all over the map in the past couple of years on my racquet choices so we'll see where this one ends up
Almost form one extreme to the other. From PS85, Six One Tour, Prestige, to racquets like the TF 320 and Babolat PD. Maybe this one will slot somewhere in the middle but with the comfort I’m after.
The PB 10 Mid moves much faster than its specs would belay. Everyone who picks it up is early on their FHs, so you won't have any issues with racquet head speed. .75 grams at 2/10 is something you should try. Many find that this simple mod does a tremendous change at contact and how it swings through the air. Many have been stringing with full co-poly around 40M/37C. You must drop the cross string tension!
You should also give the London Tour a ride. It is slightly softer than the PB 10 Mid, and flexes from grip to tip, whereas the PB 10 Mid's head is a little softer, like the C10 Pro.
i was thinking 42 / 42 with syngut cross because normally you'd string the syngut higher than the poly anyway. This way i wouldnt have to raise the syngut tension. 40/37 sounds reasonable if i were going full poly.
As for the London Tour I know you recommended it to advanced players in their prime and the PB10 mid to aging ones in their 30s hehe. I played with the PC600 and it’s very very very nice but a bit too demanding in terms of creating power from non-ideal court positioning. Like the difference between the Prestige MP and the Prestige Pro. The Pro just felt more plush, forgiving and easy to hit back against a harder hitter. I’m not looking for the control anymore, I want some punishing power so I don’t have to play defensive as I get older. I’ve played ATP ranked players recently and the only thing winning me points and games at this point is aggressiveness and rhythmless tennis.
Have you tried the Yonex V Core 95 D? This mid is very firm and powerful and seems to be in your wheelhouse. It's not as soft as the PB10 mid, but it might be worth a try, too...
The PB 10 Mid is more forgiving if you hit off-center than the Tour, but the Tour actually has more stick2hand feel. The PB 10 Mid's feel does come from its softness, but more so from its dwell time on the string bed's pocketing. The Tour's dwell comes from the total frame flex, and the ball compression on the 18x20 string bed. The feel on contact between the two frames is different, with the head shape having an effect torsionally.
I've seen your videos, and I would agree with you that when you play ranked players, that your rhythm needs to be improved. The player's have caught-up with the technology. Matches resemble the mid-80's, so you need to work the ball and be able to hit with depth when unbalanced and while giving-up real estate. That means finding practice partners who are willing to hit, and hit, and hit, without missing. When I hit with younger guys, if I hit deep, I get to strike first; if I hit short, I don't do anything but attempt to fish them with my movement--I don't rundown the ball. They either get fished, or hit a winner, which they are not supposed to miss.
That's pretty much everything I was hoping it would be and it's exactly it. Give it a try, you won't regret it.
Well one video was from when I first came back after 10 years of not playing or doing anything physical and the last video was the start of the summer season while during winter I was playing maybe once/ week indoors. Also, I just don’t get nearly enough launching power from the PS85 that I would like if I was playing a serious match. I’m definitely moving faster and hitting better now with the Pure Drive but it’s kind of killing my arm. I also have a fairly big serve which I don’t show in any of those videos. Maybe I’ll make a new one trying out the Volkl. And you’re so right about the way people play now. Much more physical 80s style tennis with the added spin. My biggest worry when I came back was people blowing me off the court which hasn’t turned out to be the case. More like, “grinding me into an early grave” with deep heavy topspin. But hey, if you have a good day on serve and are able to come through on a few short balls it’s not too hard to pick up games here and there off very good players. It’s the ability to win matches that has slowly slipped away.
Depth, kills speed; walking through contact, kills spin.
I bought 2 volkl rackets 6months ago and love the racket so much i bought another one. TennisMaverick is spot on with his info about the PB 10 mid. Thanks Man! If your looking for a great players racket, you have to try this racket out. [/IMG]
Anytime! Glad that I was able to help you out!!!
Got a PB 10 mid from TennisMaverick at a super price and in really great shape. Thanks TM.
I have it strung at 54/51 with Tourbite 17 and was planning to go for a hit today, but something came up and now I have to wait till tomorrow. So while waiting, dusted off a DNX 10 mid and strung it up at same tension and will take both out for a comparison hit tomorrow.
The PB 10 Mid moves substantially faster thru the air than the DNX 10 Mid does. If you want to match them up, add .75 grams, 1.5 in of 1/2 in lead tape at 2/10.
Let us know your comparison findings.
Also this is just to acknowledge my mistake in demoing this racket, I never tried it with recommended tension drop in the crosses and I strung it today for the first time at 50 mains poly (typhoon) and 45 crosses (SP Orig Syn string much like Forten sweet) and the whole racket changed like magic.
I am not sure how did I miss the fact that Maverick pointed this out over several threads but I finally saw this and now I see that the sweet spot is huge and racket just had even more hoop flex than I thought.
I use wax or string separators when I pull the crosses thru. My last PB 10 Mid string job with Gripper was done with a 4 lb drop, instead of a 3.5 lb drop, and it picked-up bite and dwell.
42/42 Poly / Syngut hybrid felt way too tight. Gonna go down to 36. However, would you still recommend stinging the crosses lower even if using syngut? I know people say to equalize the string bed between poly and syngut you string the syngut a bit tighter. Heck tbh i'm almost thinking of going down to 30-33 lol. The racquet has so much flex and is low powered that the tight tension just doesn't feel right. I will say though it's a HUGE shock going from a PD back to something like this. It's going to take a week or two to adjust
If you are using a stiff poly, 42M is tight on a constant pull machine. I strung a few for Hominator with full Cyclone, 40M/37C, and he liked it. If I did it again, I would go 40M/36C.
With your strings, try 37M poly/35C syn gut.
As a PB10 Mid user (and past Legend dabler), I was exited when the Melbourne came out. I was real disppointed in the Melbourne as I thought it felt nothing like either (felt kinda stiff or overlycrisp). I think it might have had more to do with the strings and tension that were in the demo. I got one of the very first demos (in fact, it was brand new) and the syn gut strings seemed overly tight. I didnt notice the cupping that you have referred to in otehr threads. What is a good setup in the Melbourne? Does it benefit from lower tension like the PB10 Mid? Thanks.
i'm using a crank but i like low tension. Heck i was using 42 lbs full Black Code in my Pure Drive so i'm pretty sure i made a mistake stringing too high especially in such a flex stick. Made it too boardy (even still it was comfortable but lacked ball pocketing). Strung it again at 35/33 we'll see how it plays tomorrow. Thanks for the tip. As for the racquet itself there really is nothing like it that i've played so far. It almost has an old school feeling with the flex. In terms of racquets i've actually used, weight and balance close to the Six One yet with a flex that reminds me of an old Kneissl White Star that Lendl played
THE MELBOURNE IS MORE STRING SENSITIVE THAN THE PB 10 MID.
It also strings-up tight. It plays better with homogeneous string, and a tension drop of 2-4 lbs, depending on craftsmanship. String too tight or without the cross string tension drop, and no cupping(remeber, there is DC@3/9, which stiffens the frame/cross strings, unlike it's forebear, the Q10 Tour. But, the cupping/spin is pretty universal. Many of the TW testers who are 4.0's, who can't really use the frame, still found the frame's spin to be excellent. Mid-range tensions work well when the stick is played stock. I strung one up with the new Gripper@63M/60C for a lefty 6.0 player, and it was too tight. We're dropping to 60M/57C next time. I would suggest 55M/52C for most players over 35 and bet 4.5-5.5.
The lower tension users in PB 10 Mids are full poly users. I found the Melbourne to be extremely responsive with a lot of spin potential, but precise and easy on the arm while hitting flat, half-volleys, and volleys. I wouldn't suggest anything but multi or gut in this frame, but if you go with a soft co-poly, try 43M/40C.
If you remember, I used that frame while active, from '82-'88, and still coached with it until '93. The PB 10 Mid does have a similar feel, and the London Tour, perhaps even more so.
I have just ordered mine PB 10 Mid.I am switching from Wilson Blx Blade Tour.Hope its better than the blade because i have not demoed it.I have got it strung with Savage at 57.Do you think it will play well?
If the string bed feels stiff, it will be because of the tension itself, and the lack of cross string tension drop of 2-4 lbs.
Played a second time 35/33 hybrid and the racquet was probably the best feeling racquet I’ve played with yet. Flexible, controllable and comfortable. Plenty of spin and good plow through for the weight and ease of swing. Feels faster than what the TW specs would suggest. Feels best when using a smooth relaxed stroke and hitting the ball early. Originally I felt the tension was too tight, the racquet felt flexible but the stringbed too boardy. This made me squeeze my grip tighter than normal and it was all downhill from there. This racquet really needs a low tension and the lower tensioned crosses for sure. IMO you don’t want the stiff stringbed to compete with the flex of the racquet. To me it felt better to have the softer stringbed work with the flex of the racquet along with a relaxed stroke and grip. I would definitely say this racquet is string sensitive and is definitely not for everyone. In the end I got what I mainly wanted. Zero elbow pain producing hard shots against a hard hitter. I will add one more thing, this racquet does not respond well to trying to muscle and overhit the ball. A relaxed shot will produce a harder, heavier and more controlled shot. Must be the old school flex. I could really see Lendl liking something like this.
Have you read this thread from the beginning?
Great post, Devilito! It summarizes the characteristics of the frame well.
After 4 months of using the PB10 Mid, my game has more variety than before. Now I can switch between topspin, slice, and driving the ball during a point...keeps my opponent guessing and not able to get into a groove from seeing the same ball twice. Still loving the flex of this frame too. Gut mains at mid tension and soft poly crosses 5 lbs less remains my favorite string set up.
Tennis Maverick, thanks for the information about this becoming a Volkl Classic frame. I would eventually like to add a third one to my collection. Do you know if there are plans to change the paint job for the 2012 version?
I skipped most of it. I tried to read a bit but when some people started posting that they hit everything out with the PB10 mid strung at 55-60lbs with full poly or that the racquet is stiff, I can’t really take much useful information from that. The TW review was nice because even though it’s’ not a bunch of 6.5 ATP pros reviewing it at least I can see how they hit the ball matched up to their opinion of the racquet. I did read some of your opinions on it as well for obvious reasons. I went back and saw Hominator stringing 40-37 and people were saying that’s “way too low” which, unless they’re John Isner, I found rather funny. In the end, I knew people generally liked it quite a lot, found it high quality, comfortable and was willing to form my own opinion on it. I’m glad I did.
I agree with Devilito when he says
"you don’t want the stiff stringbed to compete with the flex of the racquet"
The lowest tension I have hit with was 52 pounds...
Next time, I will go very low, 43/40 and see what happens
I'm using right now X-1, but I don't know if I should try a soft co-poly or stick with X-1.
My wrist is getting better, but still not at 100%
Any suggestions on my next tension and strings?
I really think it depends on the string. I used 16g Black Code main which is an extremely stiff poly. Even at 30lbs the string does not move. As much as I like Black Code I think I’m not liking it in this racquet. I’m considering Signum Tornado 17g and maybe a multi in the cross like Mantis Comfort or Turna Quasi Gut
I would recommend a softer poly and a higher gauge. Like 17g Signum Tornado for example. I would still use the X-1 in the cross because it has such a nice feel to it. I would also string lower than 43/40. Try 40/37 like Hominator.
Thanks for your replay Devilito!
I definately will give a try to Tornado 17g / X1 16g and see what happens....
In my attempt to try and simplify my setup a bit, I want to try a full bed of poly. I've noticed a lot of folks here use MSV Hex 1.10 at 50lbs and getting great results. TW only sells MSV Hex at 1.18 gauge while other places have both single packs and reels in 1.10 gauge. Has anyone tried both 1.1 and 1.8, and if so, how do they compare?
I'd like to keep my business with TW since they have very fast shipping to California residents. If there's a big difference in 1.1 and 1.18 then I'll have to consider purchasing elsewhere.
40/37 works well in a full bed of poly for me. I've had issues in the past with TE, and this tension feels good and offers decent pocketing for a poly. Benny, the head guy at Volkl, used to string his PB10 mids at thus same tension, when he played this frame. I think he's since moved on to the X10 325...
I'm pretty sure that Volkl doesn't update paint jobs every year anymore, unlike like other companies. I would expect Volkl to keep the paint job until they discontinue the frame. I'm sure TM will clarify. Hope this helps.
I haven't heard, but it would make sense, to encourage interest.
If I'm using one string set (non-hybrid setup) with this racquet, is there still benefit in stringing the mains and crosses at different tensions, or should I keep everything the same tension?
Absolutely must drop tension. I was using 3.5 lbs, but recently went to 4lbs less on the crosses.
It looks like 40/37 is the way to go.... I will try it soon.
Originally, I was thinking in trying Tornado 16g @ 40 and X-1 17g @ 37, as Devilito recommended... but after reading what Homitor wrote in the above quote, I might go first fullbed using Tornado at 40/37, and then I will try the hybrid setup.
What would be the difference in these two setups in term of durability and comfort?
My guess is that at these very low tensions, comfort would be fine either way, but I can't tell about durability.
So I got a chance to film some footage of me hitting with the PB10 Mid. It’s a huge change from the Pure Drive, so even if I like it better it will take 2-3 weeks at least to get fully groved with it. My friends Prestige Pro felt really comfortable compared to my Pure Drive, but after hitting with the PB10 for a couple days then trying out my friend’s prestige, it feels harsh. The PB10 has zero impact on my arm which is amazing. My shoulder feels great so does my wrist. The racquet comes through the ball nice and plush. The open stringbed bites the ball and provides all the spin needed while the flex of the racquet really gives you a nice feel that inspires confidence in your shot and control of the ball. I really feel the PB10 is an advanced players stick. Hitting with it for only a couple days I can tell I’m not getting the most out of it yet and it will take a bit of time that’s for sure. It’s really like nothing I’ve hit before. I can only compare it as a mix between a Six One Tour and a Kniessl White Star from the 80s with a slightly larger headsize that does help in avoiding a few shanks. The head shape makes off center hits feel really solid. Serving is really comfortable, volleys are solid, there is nothing you can really fault this racquet with. I’m pretty confident quite a few touring pros would love this racquet if money was no object. I really feel like I’ve found the best racquet I’ve ever played with.
Very nice video and the racquet is wonderful indeed. I read back a few of your posts trying to figure out what you're using for string/tension. I saw you stringing it in the mid 30's but didn't see what brand you were using. Care to chime in?
Black Code @ 35, Forten Sweet 16 @33. However after the Black Code is done i'm going to go to a softer poly. The Forten is nice but might try out a multi like Quasi Gut or Mantis Comfort Syn
Woow, low tensions (see my signature) really work with the PB 10...I'm swinging out all the way and the ball still go in
Thanks Devilito for your advice, I might try even lower tensions...Directional control is what I like the most on this new setup!
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