The Völk PB10 Mid Club - please join :)

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  1. TennisMaverick

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    Many who are using poly are stringing in the high 30's. Personally, my PB 10 Mids are now strung with Gripper@60M/56C.
     
  2. netguy

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    It makes sense. With the PB10 Mid, I string multis in the 55 - 57 pounds range because they are much more powerful than polys. I even can go higher up to 60 as you do.
    With polys I go down to 40 - 37 pounds range, and I still feel I can go lower a bit more.
     
  3. Devilito

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    Go as low as it’s comfortable for you. For me, control comes from stroke production. As long as I maintain a high racquet head acceleration, the low tension isn’t a liability. The only issue I could see is if you had flat stroke. But who has truly flat strokes anymore? My strokes are hardly modern Nadal like strokes and I could hit as hard as I wanted and keep the ball in the court using spin. Not the least of which, the low tension is just so darn comfortable and nice feeling. One thing i do hate is straightening strings between points but with the new co poly strings that's no longer an issue at low tensions.
     
  4. rahul016

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    String help

    Guys please suggest a string for my PB 10.I have just received the racquet.I get my racquet strung at 57lbs.So kindly suggest a string that can play well at this tension without the loss of feel of the racquet.
    I have read good reviews of Volkl Cyclone 16g.Are there any better string for this racquet whether its poly or multi.I want a crisp feel.

    Thanks in Advance
     
  5. TennisMaverick

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    I am using Gripper strung at 60M/56C. There is tons of stringing info in this thread. You need to read from the first comment!
     
  6. jfish

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    I am using Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough 51/49, Solinco Tour Bite 51/47. Planning on reducing tensions on next stringing.
     
  7. MesQueUnClub

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    I have gone to 52/48 with tourbite 17. Will try lower.
     
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  8. TennisMaverick

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    Sent you an email.
     
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  9. MesQueUnClub

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    I have sent you 2 replies, the second after I saw this post.
     
  10. TennisMaverick

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    I'll hit you up in the afternoon.
     
  11. rahul016

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    Racquet Help

    Thanks for your response Tennis Maverick.Need your expert advice again.I have been hitting with the PB 10 Mid for couple of days and i must say is worth every penny.Way better than my BLX blade tour.Now my query is that when i hit from the center the feel is really crisp and the shot has power too.But off center shots are very low powered and the racquet doesn't feel stable.I got it strung with Savage @ 57 full bed.What can be the issue?
    Is it a problem with the string or racquet?i am not comfortable with really low tension so can't get it strung very low.
    I need a crisp feel from the racquet so kindly suggest a string that can offer the feel.
     
  12. RyKnocks

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    I'm not TM but normally the response to this question with this racquet is to add .75-1.5g of lead tape at 10 and 2 (each) and balance out accordingly in the handle. Definitely gives it that extra pop.
     
  13. rahul016

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    Thanks Rynocks for the help.What string are you using and what tension do you string at?
     
  14. spdskr

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    Also recommended is stringing the crosses at least 3lbs lower than the mains. This will open up the sweet spot.
     
  15. jk816

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    Anyone have any experiences with medial epicondylitis (golfers elbow) when using this racquet? I love playing with my PB10s, and all TE has gone away (shoulder issues remain, by they were pre-existing), but I never had GE before (it is not necessarily the PB10 at fault, I played with my PB10s for 8 months before GE showed up).

    I understand heavier raquets can contribute to GE (and to some shoulder pull) even though they help with TE and other problems. Has anyone else experienced this? It is worse on days I serves or hit a ton of forehands. Pronation seems to be a major factor.

    I play the stick stock, with Gripper or X-1 at 56/53 (I tried the low tension thing, but with multis could not keep it in the court without a WW swing. I've personally found the PB 10 likes a more classic or flattened stroke and let the plow do the damage). I'd love to try the 10/2 mods that are raved about, but if weight is a factor in my GE, I'm reluctant to add any weight.

    Another question: do any of you teach with this stick? I'd love to find a trick that allows for easy feeding of balls to young kids. Unlike other racquets I've used, even for feeders it makes the ball tougher on younger learners. And for older ones, when rallying if I'm paying more attention to what they are doing than my own strokes, the quality of my balls suffer (I learned long ago this stick rewards good form and punishes poor!). My London is more forgiving for feeding, but I'm curious how many teaching pros might be using a PB10.

    Thanks.
     
  16. spdskr

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    I've noticed slight GE and shoulder tenderness since moving to the PB 10 Mid in the spring. I average 8 hrs of hitting per week. I am hesitant to call the tenderness "pain" as it has not affected my game and I only notice it a few hours after hitting. I use gut mains/co-poly crosses, 55/51.
     
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    Yeah, my GE is always post hit too, never during. Hope it stays that way! You hit more than I do, I'm more like 4.5 hours per week, and of those only 1.5 hitting full out.
     
  18. spdskr

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    Yes, I have altered my strokes to be more linear rather than the WW style I used with my previous frames. I do have lead tape at 10/2 and find it decreases hoop flutter....not sure it adds enough weight to notice. If you are bothered by the twisting sensation when contacting the ball near the top of the frame, you should try 1.5" of lead tape as described earlier in this thread.
     
  19. bad_call

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    yup...same experience. felt it with this stick and some others...but for those who don't serve big or crush the fh could be ok.
     
  20. RyKnocks

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    I recently purchased this racquet used and the seller put in a fresh bed of Volkl Cyclone 17g in the mains and OGSM 16g in the crosses strung at 55/57 respectively. I feel it's a little stiff for my taste so I'm going to try a full bed of BHBR @ 50/47 and see where it goes from there or maybe a full bed of OGSM, XCel, or X-1. I recently purchased a stringer so I'll be able to experiment more.

    Many people on these boards have found full poly beds at low tensions to be very comfortable with this racquet. Some going as low as 40M/37C.
     
  21. TennisMaverick

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    Easy Answer: You didn't drop the cross string tension. I drop my crosses 4 lbs on my PB 10 Mids, but I recommend 2-4 lbs, depending on stringing craftsmanship, machine type, and string type. Basically, the less you overcome friction and bowing with the crosses, the less tension drop, and visa versa.
     
  22. TennisMaverick

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    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.

    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.

    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.

    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.

    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.

    There is an answer for every question is this thread. Anyone who reads it in its entirety will become a PB 10 Mid expert.
     
  23. Devilito

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    lol geee. I don't know... I like playing with 2x4s as much as the next guy...
     
  24. TennisMaverick

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    The only way that I could envision getting GE from this stick is that you are over-pronating either with your FH or serve. I assume that since you teach, that you fixed it at the first sign of pain. Obviously, pronating for more spin becomes more stressful on the tendon if the stick is heavier and it overcomes your muscle strength. However, heavier sticks are not responsible for injuries unless the technique is problematic, otherwise, it is the reverse. Are you playing at altitude?

    My suggestion would be to read earlier comments in this thread, and make your stick heavier, so that the stick does the work. I also disagree with your assessment as to ball quality. I hit very flat, but the guys on my team who use/used this frame, hit with a lot of grind and a lot of slice. The 16 mains and the dwell allows the player to Mozart any ball.

    I always feed with my playing sticks. I never want a foreign object in my hand. I also work with players, so feeds are identical to hits. I also feed using OHBHs, both top and slice. On the occasion where I am feeding to kids at the most basic level, I just choke-up and feed with underspin, to make the ball sit-up so it is easier for them to hit. I want my grip, and my stick, in my hand always.
     
  25. TennisMaverick

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    How much is this possibly due to the fact that the stick swings much faster than expected for its heft? How much are you not "definite" on-contact? In other words, do you know exactly where you will contact the ball before you do so, and then, actually do so? If not, you will misshit with this frame, especially on your FH. That is why adding .5-.75 grams at 2/10 works so drastically with this frame.
     
  26. spdskr

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    I feel quite dialed in to the characteristics of the frame by this point. In fact, I grabbed one of the old Wilsons from my bag a couple of weeks ago and attempted to hit with it. My timing and strokes have adapted to the Volkl to the degree that I could no longer hit effective shots with the 6.1 95.

    My post was not to complain about the PB 10, but rather confirm the OPs suspicions. As mentioned, I added weight to 10/2 from the outset. I didn't notice the GE until about a month after using the new frames. I am happy to trade very minor GE for the major wrist pain that plagued me when using the 6.1....pain that has completely vanished since the racquet change.

    Also, my record in league play has greatly improved this summer. I attribute it to adding more variety and aggression to my game with the PB 10 Mid. I remain very happy with the Volkls.
     
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    Overpronation on the serve is a definite possibility; on the FH, less so. On my forehand I do tend to grip the racquet too tightly, and too often don't let the racquet do enough of the work. All part of it I'm sure. Plenty of work to do to improve! I never feel the pain when hitting, but long after.

    Nope, no altitude, just Philly. I didn't mean to imply flattening out impacts ball quality (watching the kid I'm working with instead of the balls does! But I'm not a teaching pro, just helping out my kids and a few others when they are not in paid lessons). Ball quality when I'm hitting out normally is great with the PB10.
    I don't hit very flat either (TS & slice, I also have a OHBH), but have gone away from the WW style I'd used with lighter racquets before going to the PB10. I personally found the PB10 didn't take as well to the WW style, but that might just be me. So I'm back to the more classic strokes that I used when I was much younger and swinging ~13 oz prostaffs, those seem to work great with the PB10.

    I'll try choking up for easy feeds, thanks for the tip (though not having my hand hang off the end of the racquet will feel wierd!) and I'll try leading up (as detailed in this thread ) to see if it makes a difference.
     
  28. TennisMaverick

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    Try going old school, and finish your follow-thru at your opposite hip. That takes your wrist out of the picture.
     
  29. bad_call

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    jk816 - if u have to considerably adjust your strokes to accommodate the racquet then....
     
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    I wouldn't say I considerably adjusted my strokes for the PB10; like most tennis players, I've long had a variety of strokes in my repertoire: classic TS, WW, slice, flat, etc. Which stroke I'd use would often depend on my racquet, the surface, my opponent and how I am playing on a given day, and certainly all would get used to some extent on any given day. All that really changes per racquet is the base stroke that gets used most often. And that has changed every time I've changed over racquets (for me roughly once per decade!).

    The biggest change for me with the PB10 was the need to be clean and early. It really rewards good technique and can punish laziness and bad habits. The rewards for hitting clean are sweet, but as we all know bad habits are a bear to kill sometimes. But it provides motivation to hone technique (although on my worst days or when I'm clearly overmatched and need my racquet to bail me out, I'll reach wimp out and reach for my London!).
     
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    Yeah, that occurred to me too, as that had been my old style of serving. Ironically, that style had been problematic for me post-shoulder surgery and it was a pro who pointed me towards more pronation, as the long follow through with a heavier racquet produced pull on the shoulder and pain in the infraspinatus and supraspinatus with the longer follow through.

    For now I'm not serving, and will eventually need to find a happy medium. I'm just trying to stay on the court with rallying until the GE goes away, but that may be a Quixotic pursuit!
     
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    Tore mine three times, the third causing nerve damage, so I know the drill. I refused getting surgery the last time, which was '99. If I am on the computer or watching TV, I am always stretching it out, and massaging the tight areas which are due to imbalances from the damage. Doing that helps a lot; I can serve 100%, and my shoulder only gets jacked-up for a couple of hours after I cool down. I also concentrate on stretching my ribcage with my tossing arm, to align both shoulders, and to keep me sideways as long as possible before my arm explodes up to the ball. That protects both the front of the shoulder, and the biceps tendon. You certainly have my sympathies!
     
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    gotcha...also had to meet the ball early when using the C10 Pro. nice to have a backup racquet when overly matched. ;)
     
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    Interesting event. Have time off so have been working out with EX D1 Tennis coach and after hitting baseline rallies, serve and volley points and return of serve I played 1/2 the time with Head youtex Extreme Pro and 1/2 with Volkl PB 10 mid and asked his opinion on which to stay with, answer PB 10 mid as expected more control more precision with PB aand as he put it the Head more powerful but not statistically significant ie the extra power would not affect the opponent in a more deleterious way compared to the PB, The reason I mention this is that alot are concerned about the volkl being above their skill level. I am 4.0 player eastern forehand, 2 handed bh, serve and big forehand my weapons, tend to hit a flat ball but can rally with top, and hit all 3 serves with reliability. Also the pro is not a volkl sponsor, in fact the majority of rkts at this club are Head, also I am a physician and have no connection with any sports brand
     
  35. TennisMaverick

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    That is certainly not a surprise if you hit flatter than with a lot of topspin. The PB 10 Mid is very forgiving, as its sweet spot is huge, and its dwell time is long. It plays bigger than a 93in2.
     
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    Lower Tension With All Multi Setup

    I've been reading with interest the posts in this thread which talk about the performance of the PB10 Mid when strung at low tensions. All the posts I've seen on the subject refer to full poly or hybrid setups. Any thoughts or experience on how low tension works with an all multi setup (X1 Biphase or NXT for example). Sounds like some polys perform well in the 40M/37X range, would 10% higher tension be a good starting point for testing all multi? Or is low tension not recommended for all multi?
     
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    I only string with full multi or gut. My PB 10 Mid is strung at a comparable CP machine's 60M/56C, but it is a fully loaded stick at 396. If you play close to stock, drop 5 lbs, perhaps 55M/51C(or a little tighter crosses if the stringer's craftsmanship is a ???). If your racquet head speed is not that fast or you don't pressure the ball hard, drop another 3 lbs.
     
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    Thanks TM. What are your favourite multis for this stick - I have some Weiss Cannon Explosiv on hand that I was going to try.
     
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    My favorite multi in the PB 10 Mid is Gripper, or any other soft but not snappy multi, like NXT Tour, as opposed to NRG2, which is one of my favorite strings, but not in this stick. I don't want to lose the stick's inherent dwell time quality. I am currently using a new Gripper, which is not available yet, and I will try Volkl's new V-Feel soon. Oldtime favorites: NRG2, Gexco FibreCore, Tecnifibre 515, NXT Tour.
     
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    Grip sizes

    I have a question for TM regarding grip sizes.

    I have 2 PB 10 Mids. Allegedly they are both grip sizes 3. However they don't feel the same size. Their circumference is also different for couple of millimetres. After thorough inspection I noticed something interesting. Under the (transparent) butt cap it say 4 3/8 on the "upper" side. However close to the bottom there is a difference. On one racquet it is written L3 and on the other one GRIP SIZE 3. The one it says L3 is a bit bigger and slightly more rectangular.

    Is this something common; did they change the grip sizes?

    Thanks for your help!
     
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    I have 2 pb 10 mids, one is 340g and the other is 335g, both unstrung with original syntetic grip. Is this normal?
     
  42. TennisMaverick

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    Without taking the grip off, the consensus is that you most likely have a reg pallet and an S-pallet. If you unwrap the grip, reg pallets only have a number, which should be "3" for you. If it is an S-pallet, it will have an "S" and a "3" on the side of the pallet.
     
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    10 grams+/- is the industry standard.

    Volkl, tries to do better, and is usually 5-7 grams+/- max.
     
  44. RyKnocks

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    After about a month of playing with this racquet, here are my final thoughts on it:

    I'll say up front that this was WAY too much racquet for me. I'm about a 3.0-3.5 player at best right now and I overestimated myself in thinking that I could adapt to such a racquet. I was turned onto this racquet by the many positive reviews and also understood its drawbacks and limitations.

    Everything about this racquet was awesome and is consistent with all of the great reviews...given that you hit the sweet spot. When reading about this racquet, I was under the impression that it had a big sweet spot for a mid sized head and that it was very stable on off center hits. Sure it was stable and I could still plow through, but that didn't stop the ball from flying erratically off the string bed and sending a harsh and shocking feeling up my arm. When the sweet spot was engaged, everything felt perfect and I was willing to force myself to learn to play with this stick because of it....until....

    The weakest part of my game is my serve, so naturally I went out one morning to work on it and hit a couple baskets. I first had a Cyclone/OGSM hybrid @ 57M/55C respectively. My biggest gripe about the racquet was the super harsh feeling I got from off center hits while serving. Again, I know it's my fault for not being able to hit the sweet spot, but after serving 120+ balls in a row and a large % of them hitting off center, it started to take a real toll on my shoulder. This never happened on any of my previous racquets (LM Radical MP, MG Rad MP, PSTGT). So I thought I'd try to soften it up a bit and I put in a full bed of BHBR @ 53M/50C. After a session of this, I was forced to take a break from serving for 2 weeks to let my shoulder heal.

    I was determined to find a comfortable serving setup for this stick, so I put in a full bed of OGSM @ 55M/53C and took it out with some demos I had (Yonex vCore 95D and 98D). After serving a few, it was a little more comfortable but I could feel the pain come back, even with the OGSM. Picked up the vCores and I didn't feel nearly the amount of discomfort on my off center hits. I was also able to feel the sweet spot more on the vCores, and my serve % was a lot higher with the vCores.

    All in all, I am simply not good enough of a player to make this racquet shine. It has one of the best reviews on TW and has its own thread with tons of followers who can do nothing but praise this racquet. Even still, this racquet has made me believe that there are racquets out there that shouldn't be held by lower level players. I'll be sticking with 98+ sq in head sizes because they simply give me that extra leeway that I need right now. Again, this racquet is pure butter if you're consistently hitting with the sweet spot, but if you're in the same boat as me, this isn't a racquet that's going take you from 3.0 to 4.0, it's more for the 4.0+ player that needs a little extra something in their game.
     
  45. TennisMaverick

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    You really should be playing with the London.
     
  46. JackB1

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    this outcome is to be expected for a 3.0 player. The 10 line from Volkl is meant for elite players. 3.0 is far from that. Try the V1 Classic or PB V1.
    That will be a much better fit.
     
  47. Devilito

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    you're a 3.0 and string your racquet 20 lbs higher than me. If i had to use your racquet i wouldn't be able to play with it either.
     
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    I'm an old player. It's hard for me to wrap around that concept that 93 square inches is too small to find the sweet spot.
     
  49. RyKnocks

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    I actually read a lot of your posts and watched your video regarding stringing this racquet at lower tension. The set of BHBR I purchased was originally meant to be strung @ 50/47 but even then some people were turning me off on it and saying that it would be too powerful of a setup, so I didn't do it and went 53/50 instead.

    Oh well, we all learn at one point....
     
  50. bad_call

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    blame it on the strings, tension and anything else...just not the racquet. ;)
     

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