The Völk PB10 Mid Club - please join :)

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  1. Hominator

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    I remember trying to hit with this frame about a year ago, when Iwas first getting back into tennis after a 15-year layoff from college tennis. I remember commenting on this board on how demanding I felt the frame was. Too demanding and too heavy. Back then, I was still getting my strokes and tennis fitness back. I think I was playing with a lighter tweener then.

    I've recently started hitting with this racquet and it's amazing how much this racquet has grown on me. Even though I play better with my Babolat Aero Storm GTs, I'm always drawn to hit with the PB10 mid, for some reason. Maybe it's how badass it looks with black strings and a black grip...
     
  2. TennisMaverick

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    They have tons of them at a sporting goods store on Broadway.
     
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  3. TennisMaverick

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    PB 10 Mid Extended Release!

    I was just told that the PB 10 will be available for a full year after the Organix line comes out in February!!!
     
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    I didn't realise the Organix line was coming out so soon. Excited to see how they perform. As long as they don't drastically change them should be nice. A new paint scheme would be welcome, though from the pictures I've seen on this forum it won't happen.
     
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    After weeks trying to get the Volkl PB10 MID.. I finally found one.. thanks to TT forum.. I traded a brand new KPS88 grip 4 3/8 (a big grip size for me) for a Volkl PB10 MID grip 4 1/2 in a near mint condition to a nice TT member..

    I switched out the pallet and put in 4 1/4.. I played it as stock racket last night.. It's a nice racket but I would not say as a GREAT racket.. A bit too light for me and not stable enough.. I lead my KPS88 to 390g so tonight I plan to do some mod..

    add the original Volkl leather grip (this is like Fairway leather grip), some lead at 3,9, 12 and just above the grip.. I might just do it up to 370g and see what happen..
     
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  6. TimothyO

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    I'm in! Picking up my PB10 mid at noon tomorrow! :)
     
  7. TennisMaverick

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    Where did you find one???
     
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    The photos are inaccurate, as per Volkl execs.
     
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    That is good to hear. I like the mat black but not a yellow fan. A blue would be nice. Only other change I would make to the PB is a balance between the DNX and PB.
     
  10. TennisMaverick

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    It's Volkl! There has to be yellow and black in the top of the line sticks!
     
  11. TimothyO

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    Local shop, north side of Atlanta. Do forum rules allow us to provide the store name? They had several.
     
  12. courtking

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    I played 2 hrs last night with the new VOlkl PB10 MID mod.. Original heavy Volkl leather grip,4g of lead at 3,9.. I have not had a chance to weight it yet but wowow.. it's a nice player racket.. It still does not have the plow thru as KPS88 but it's stable and cut thru the air like a razor.. I love the 1hbh slice.. it's even better than the KPS88.. The sweet spot is difference than KPS88 so I had to adjust my swing alittle.. Now I believe why there are so many good review for this racket.. I will test another mod setup that recommend by TennisMaverick tonight.. I hope to get the plow thru like a kps88.. My ground strokes still not click with pb10 mid yet due to difference sweet spot.. I don't feel it flexy as many other poster said either.. It does not have the power like the kps88.. I will later switch on the string to put on hybrid VSgut/ALU power at low tension to compare it with my current kps88 setup..
     
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    You gotta love it.
     
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    you might not be swinging it hard enough. mine is leaded up to 375grams (13.2oz) and i definitely feel the flex especially during the service motion. feeling the flex is an indicator i use, when serving, that i am not muscling the bal.
     
  15. TennisMaverick

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    You feel the flex because of your lead tape placements.

    If you remember where I placed the lead tape on the stick that I sent you, you don't feel the flex; you feel the plushness of the ball on the stringbed, thereby allowing me to grind the ball on-contact, and to to make adjustments regardless of where I contact the ball in relation to my body.
     
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    I'm in. Thanks TennisMaverick for the tip....I picked up 2. I was also impressed with Volkl's quality as I weighed them and they were exactly the same. That hasn't happened with other racquets I purchased
     
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    I guess you're in the city? Where do you play?
     
  18. courtking

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    Played with the new setup 375g last 2 nights.. It's getting better but it still does not have the power a kps88.. I think the main reason is difference sweet spot.. Volkl PB10 mid has a lower sweet spot than the kps88.. Also the swing weight is lower than kps88 so you don't feel that heavy plow thru the ball..
    I will do another setup tonight which will add 8g @2,10 and 4g above the grip to crank up the sw..

    Never the less, the racket is still great.. The kick serve and the slice and touch volleys are better than KPS88 but the ground strokes, first serve and punching volleys are not as good as the kps88.. Volkl PB10 mid swing faster somehow.. specially the slice..the ball stays low with nasty spin..

    I still not get used to with the pallet grip as well as the sweet spot yet..
     
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    D....fix the grip shape before you go any further....it has a lot to do with the face of the racquet, how tight you grip it, how your hand moves the stick to/thru the ball, how the stick feeds back into your hand, plus more, if that isn't enough.
     
  20. TimothyO

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    Got to play with the PB10 Mid three times (demo and twice with mine). I now understand the phrase, "Let the racquet do the work". :)

    I've been really focused on improving my stroke quality and consistency. The PM10 Mid fully rewards a smooth, steady stroke with a "heavy ball". It has tons of "oomph" without being a rocket launcher. Maybe it's the open string pattern and the gut mains hybrid setup I'm using, but access to spin is very easy. It feels "powerful without being over-powered" as the power is easy to control.

    Even though the paper specs say it's 10 pts HL, it doesn't feel quite that maneuverable, so I might tweak the weight balance a bit.
     
  21. Hominator

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    I think this why I like hitting with the PB10 Mid. I can't get lazy with my strokes/footwork with this frame. If I do, the racquet will not compensate. This in turns makes me a better player. It does only what I make it do. When I played with a tweener earlier in the year, I could afford to get lazy with my footwork or my strokes - the racquet was very forgiving. When I'm practicing with this frame, I feel so much more in tune with my strokes.

    It's not always easy, but I like that it makes me improve...
     
  22. TimothyO

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    Based on comments in this and other threads I tweaked the frame a bit by adding lead at 3 and 9 for stability and at the grip to maintain HL balance. Total mass just under 13 oz.

    WOW!!!

    Plush.

    Powerful.

    Plough through.

    Comfort.

    Spin.

    Stable.

    All of the PB10 mid's natural benefits were greatly enhanced. I've learned there's power as in rocket launching trampoline and there's power as in precision tank cannons. Today the PB10 sounded and behaved like a tank cannon! Precise and power as needed.

    This was my very first attempt at customization but the excellent info on this forum made it much easier than flying blind!
     
  23. TennisMaverick

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    PB 10 Mid lead tape placements

    PB 10 Mid lead tape placements--the following are three set-ups which my guys all use. Even those who don't use the PB 10 Mid and have tried mine, the heaviest set-up(C), liked it, although it was too heavy for them. All set-ups are cut from 1/2 in lead tape

    From lightest to heaviest, using a 30+ gram leather grip:

    Set-up A (1/8 in wide tape on both sides of the string bed) 370 grams:

    -From the top 3rd outer main down to the bottom clear cross grommet (adhered inside of frame).
    -From the bottom clear cross grommet hole to the first main string hole exiting the frame, or the 5th main from ctr (adhered outside of frame).
    -From 6th main from the center through to the opposite 6th main from center, covering the whole bridge, with no tape bet center two mains for
    stringing purposes (adhered inside of frame).


    Set-up B (1/4 in wide tape on both sides of the string bed) 385 grams:

    -From the top 3rd outer main down to the bottom clear cross grommet (adhered inside of frame).
    -From the bottom clear cross grommet hole to the first main string hole exiting the frame, or the 5th main from ctr (adhered outside of frame).
    -From 6th main from the center through to the opposite 6th main from center, covering the whole bridge, with no tape bet center two mains for
    stringing purposes (adhere inside of frame).
    -Inside both sides of the V-throat area, 1/4 or 1/2 in tape, 4.5 inches long, centered bet bridge corners and top of grip.

    Set-up C (1/4 in wide tape on both sides of the string bed) 395 grams:

    -From the top 3rd outer main down to the 6th outer main or 3rd main from outside (adhered inside of frame).
    -From 6th main from the center through to the opposite 6th main from center, covering the whole bridge, with no tape bet center two mains for
    stringing purposes (adhered inside of frame). [THESE TWO PLACEMENT WILL APPEAR LIKE A CONTINUOUS "U" INSIDE THE FRAME]
    -From 4th cross from the top, down to the bottom most clear cross grommet (3+/9+ o'clock), 1/8 or 1/4 inch wide tape, depending on you,
    (adhered inside of frame on top of previous adhered tape).
    -From the bottom clear cross grommet hole to the first main string hole exiting the frame--the 5th main from ctr (adhered outside of frame).
    -Inside both sides of the V-throat area, 1/2 in tape, 4.5 inches long, centered bet bridge corners and top of grip.

    I would suggest applying the set-ups to multiple sticks and trying two or all three out at the same time for the most accurate comparison. I recently sold one PB 10 with set-up (C) to "thebuffman", and he said that it played great; that he couldn't believe how easy it swung.
     
  24. FedererNadal

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    there are no pics in this thread, how boring -_-
     
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    Try Time Warner On-Demand if this doesn't entertain you and reading is problematic.
     
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  26. chrischris

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    How do you guys think the PB10 mid compares in terms of plow through and stability with mobility still intact to the Head YT prestige mid??
     
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    please see my review on page 8
     
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    I think I should join this club, I had the PB10mid for a while now. Really love the stock for now. Really good back up for my C10 Pro Tours when I get tired.
     
  29. jk816

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    Good lord this is the most frustrating club to get into (or stay in!). Been trying since September, waited through numerous delays and delays on delays (no one can say why volkl has not shipped any of these racquest for months, the shops still keep slipping the availability, it may go beyond Xmas) finally I tracked one down at a shop in TX; got the racquet last week and after a few hours of hitting, the lower end of the handle or butt cap comes loose under the grip!

    I contacted the shop I bought it from, they said they'd need to send it back to volkl for repair (3-5 weeks, presumably the same Volkl that hasn't made these racquets for months!).

    Astonishly frustrating (made worse by the few hours of teasing I had, I still love this stick!). Has anyone had problems with the pallet coming apart on theirs?

    Arrhhhhhhhgggghhhh!
     
  30. SOY78

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    3-5 weeks for buttcap repair, WTH??? Just borrow a staple gun and you're done...
     
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    3-5 weeks for Volkl warranty repair of any kind; if I do it myself, it would certainly be less time, but I'm not racquet tech, it would void the warranty and for what I paid, I'd like to be sure it is done right, (unless I get desperate otherwise).

    The shop, under the circumstances, would send it back to Volkl for the same reason.
     
  32. TennisMaverick

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    A repair does not take that long; ABSOLUTELY NOT. They will fix this stick, they won't give you a new one. Depending on how busy they are, turnaround time for repair warranties is 48-72 hours. The shop is feeding a line of BS Bigtime.

    Some sticks have been B/O for months, especially the famous PB 10 Mid, but they are now in the warehouse. Look for shipments this week or after Thanksgiving. Everything else is in. I just received pallets and string last Thursday.
     
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    Maverick,
    Working with Volkl has been a pain. Volkl is by far my favorite brand (along with my PB10 mids) but ... they have not figured out how to serve the customer (in my experience here in the US). I had high hopes that things would change when KLIP took over, but things haven't changed, in fact ... they may worse.

    The reps (who serve the clubs and private shops) are never on top of anything. Things that should take a couple of weeks take months. I ordered bumper guards for my Gen 2's and that took 8 months (ok, I wasn't pushing them and they did finally arrive).

    The stores I have seen are lucky if they have two or three models in stock (I now prefer to go through TW). Wilsons, Babolat, Head, and others are fully stocked in this shop. The place I used to go to buy equipment (the highest volume shop in an area of 1.5 million people) no longer promises a time frame to respond when it comes to Volkl stuff.

    The last time the new sticks came out they were only able to borrow three demos from the rep who eventually demanded to take them back leaving this shop with nothing to show. This largest volume dealer reports that the rep shows up when he wants to and sometimes doesn't show up for weeks at a time. I am surprised that they still carry the Volkl line. If Volkl allows this to happen in a good metropolitan area, I can only imagine the business they are losing in other areas.

    So, yeah, 3-5 weeks for a simple repair doesn't sound out of the question, in fact in my area that would be quick.

    OK, RANT OVER. Carry on.
     
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  34. TennisMaverick

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    When Volkl was part of Volkl Sport America, tennis took a back seat to skis. That is why Boris walked through their doors in the fall of 2006, and took away their contract. VSA delayed and short shipped Klip, screwing them for more then 6 months. I was also perturbed, and started investigating joining Kneissl and Babolat. So that is the original problem history.

    Without getting into detail, Klip is no longer the parent company. Epic is, and they are partnered with, believe it or not, Samsung, so as soon as shipping starts this week or next, I seriously doubt that there will ever be back-ups of four months as we just saw, nor what we saw during the VSA-Klip transition.

    With that being said, be mindful that there is a global trade war between the USA and China. Look to pay more at Walmart for Xmas junk, and blame your congressional representative, not the Yuan/USD ratio. This was part of or most of the issue over these four months.

    Lastly, where are you located? They should know that you rep is dropping the ball. Conversely, my rep has won "rep of the year", every year, since Volkl left VSA. So, I never, nor can ever, complain.
     
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    I asked a local shop that retails Volkl is 3-5 weeks was legit, and they indicated it was; this could especially be so if I had to send the racquet from my area (Philly) to the shop I got it from (Houston) then they send it to wherever Volkl does warranty work (no idea where that is!), wait on the bench for a repair (my guess is probably a simple 10 minute fix!), then all the way back to me; unless they hit it within 2-3 days of receipt, 3 weeks would probably be the minimum. Wish I could fix is myself without voiding any warranty.

    Then again without technical info on the volkl PB 10 mid pallet assembly, I wouldn't even try it for fear of screwing it up worse.
     
  36. TennisMaverick

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    I made an inquiry and got some feedback for you:

    If the stick is fixable, they will fix it and the turnaround time is real quick. Secondly, switching a pallet does not void you warranty. Frequently, shops switch pallets to accommodate customers, and the warehouse does the same, if they are low on that particular grip. If it were something other than the pallet, and it couldn't be fixed, they would replace it. Usual turnaround time is 4-5 workdays, as they usually have 40-50 RA sticks, many of which are just abused, but have to be checked. Right now, PB 10 stock is being processed to fill all of the back orders. After that, they will go through the remaining stock for new orders and warranties. More stock is coming from China.

    Regarding your Philly situation: the old rep was replaced because of some of your complaints. Your rep is now the East Coast rep, who as I mentioned, has been rep of the year for 4 years running. Whether it was he or the old rep taking demos out of the shop, that is the shop's bad; they are supposed to have their own demos. Secondly, the shop that sells the most Volkl, is the biggest shop in NYC, on Broadway, or, Roman's, so forget TX--everything takes 4-5 weeks in the South. Any retailer can send the stick back for you. If your pro shop in Philli won't, I suggest that you no longer use them. And look for huge changes for your area after the first of the year regarding Volkl, but be mindful that your area is suffering economically.

    Send me an email. I will help you.
     
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  37. bngnhal

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    I have been reading about polarization and depolarization and have thought about doing something with my pb10mid.......anybody here know what type of racket the pb10 mid is.........and if so, i play with poly (cyclone) strung around 52 and like the idea of it being more of a polarized racket.....i guess that means i would set the added weight to the 3 and 9 position, but i do feel that the rackets natural sweet spot could be stretched up a little higher.....comments appreciated.....by the way, i live in the los angeles area and i know of a store that has lots of pb10 mids in stock
     
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    Actually Amincor Inc., has bought Epic Sports FKA Klip America on Oct 18, 2010. So Epic Sports is now a subsidiary of Amicor Inc.
    http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/101019/Amincor-Inc_8-K/ex10-1.htm

    P.S. My dealing with VSA was great. The group in San Diego were horrendous.
     
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    PB10 mid experts, can the grip size be easily increased?

    Are the pallets available? I would ideally need to increase it from 3 to 5 or at least to 4 (with leather grip + overgrip).
     
  40. Hominator

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    Yes, though Volkl's pallet system.
     
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    Wow, you are prettty well connected with Volkl!

    Yeah I'd bet the stick is fixable; I was hitting again last night (using a pile of demos I had for the wife and for a time again with the PB10 mid), the problem appears to be the buttcap. It is firm cold, but hold it for a bit it loosens and eventually pulls off. When it came off, Icould not see any staples, so the shop that installed the pallet at Volkls direction only glued it.

    The shop I bought it from is in Houston. I tried the local shop in the Philly area that handles a lot of volkls; they were out of frames in Aug, and the area Volkl rep could not find one for the shop (they offered to change the pallet to get it the right size for me, but couldn't get a frame; the Volkl HQ in San Diego pointed me toward the Houston shop where they knew one was).
    The Houston shop may have installed the pallet improperly, especially if the butt cap should have been stapled.

    I may just go to the local shop and pay them to fix it; same day probably. Using the Houston shop as an intermediary probably just adds time and the cost of the shop repair is probably less than the shipping I'd pay. Not much paperwork came with the racquet, so I figured I'd need to go through the original retailer (Houston) who has all the sales records on file. Wish it was done right the first time. I'll email you though, maybe you can fill me in on the full Volkl story, as I'm looking at purchasing more Volkl racquets (my wife and daughter like the PB9 & 10, and I want them to try the PB 8 315; I'll also eventually add a backup PB10 to my bag (maybe there'll be a price drop when the Organix come out?).

    I don't know anything about Philly or east coast (or other) reps; the shops in Bryn Mawr and Houston dealt with them; the only Volkl people I talked to directly were in SD, when trying to get an idea when/ if PB 10s would ever be shipped.

    Thanks,
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    How does PB10 Mid compare to Fischer racquets, eg Magnetic Tour SL (mainly in terms of feel, control, arm friendliness)? Anybody used both?
     
  43. TennisMaverick

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    You are lucky!

    Apparently, they swapped pallets to sell you your desired size, but just neglected to staple it on. Most pro shops have staple guns with the longer 1/2 in staples. So epoxy the butt cap, and then head down to the shop and ask if they can punch a few staples in, and you're all set to re-wrap the grip.

    The PB 10 Mid will stay on for a year after the Organix 10s come out, so the price will not drop. IMO, the PB 10 Mid will become Volkl classics, like the C 10 and V1.

    I'll check for your email. Also, your personal sales receipt is enough to prove warranty date and ownership.
     
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    Any of you PB10 mid guys ever try the PB10 Lite? I am just wondering how the power level of the Lite compares with the Mid or MP?
     
  45. TennisMaverick

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    It's underpowered stock with 18 mains, unless you add some lead.

    Volkl has recognized this and will go 16 mains in the future; that is one of the reasons for producing the London.
     
  46. comeback

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    i am looking for a new stick
    i recently playtested the C10 pro-mid+..it was solid on groundstokes and accurate on volleys..very good slice. it's ok for a spin serve BUT i had difficulty hitting a hard flat serve (my best shot). so i will pass on it

    Also tested the PB10 (295)..it was too light and needs lead

    also tested the Wilson BLX Tour..and put 8 grams at 7 inches above butt and added leather grip and it hits good for my old school slice/serve and volley game. will play a match with it tomorrow and report back

    5.0 tournament player: 59 years old developing arm problems
    using Wilson 5.3 mid 95 (14 gr lead in handle) gaucho gut 53 mains multi cross
    also use Wilson pro staff 6.1 stretch
     
  47. TennisMaverick

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    For your game style, the Wilson 6.1, BLX Pro Tour, and Fed stick will work, if your footwork is still there. A good substitute is the PB 10 Mid, which is easier on the arm, has longer dwell time with more sensitive control and less power. If you're willing to go to a 98in2, for your game style, it's hard to beat Boris' stick, which he is actually using, the BB Legend.
     
  48. comeback

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    Hey Thanks for the advice Maverick, (your comments are much appreciated) :)my problem is this..my footwork is still ok but the residual pain from running gets to me (thank God for Advil)..The tweener Wilson 5.3 Hypercarbon worked well for me as i hold the buttcap in my palm and get great leverage and snap with the extra 1/2 inch length on the 5.3.makes my serve great (flat or spin) to set up my game. After that i play first strike tennis w/ good volleys and stay away from long rallies..i have great success winning USTA matches with this formula and i'm not sure if the Wilson Pro tour will work for my serve. I asked the TW sales rep about the PB 10 Mid and he said i would not get any more power on the serve than the Mid+..Basically i think i need a racket to serve and a racket to return. i do remember pros did this in the
    70's..Going forward, i'm pointing more towards playing much more doubles.
     
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    Since you're reaching, stability is an issue, so I am revising my recommendations to the BB Legend and BB London. The London does a lot at a lighter weight. I would still demo the Wilson Pro Tour that Del Potro and Llodra use.
     
  50. mario58

    mario58 New User

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    Del Potro and Llodra do not use the the blx pro tour. they use the same pj as the pro tour. the pro tour is a very poor stick very tight 18x20
     

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