The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    Li is not defending RG this year. She doesn't do well when the pressure and spotlight are on her. See: AO 2012 match vs. Kim Clijseters.

    It's honestly really hard to predict the WTA winner of RG this year, but I'm almost 100% confident that it will NOT be Li Na.
     
  2. bluetrain4

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    I'd agree that Li doesn't always do well with the spotlight, but is the AO Clijsters match really a good example? Li had done NOTHING after the FO last year and was having a very good beginning to the year, but I don't think many people expected her to beat Clijsters She was cruising in the match and then lost those 4 match points in the tiebreak. It all unraveled very quickly. It's not like she was off from the start due to the pressure of high expectations. To me it was just a classic choke, not anything to do with the spotlight.
     
  3. jwjh

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    Li Na vs Masha, 5 games played, 5 breaks of serve, 1 point won on serve for Li, 2 for Sharapova
     
  4. Tcbtennis

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    Ugly match so far between Li and Sharapova, especially from Li. I think that Li tends to be a slow starter but she better pick it up in the second set or Maria will steamroll all over her.
     
  5. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    Is it true: Sharapova 72% first serves in and 0 double faults today? Hard to believe considering how many breaks of serve there were in the first set. Not watching it, so can anyone comment on Sharapova and Li's levels?

    EDIT: Wow, Maria only lost 3 games in the entire match (2 of her own service games early in the match + 1 Li service hold in the 1st set) and didn't hit a single DF all match long! 6-3, 6-0 what a beatdown! It's gotta feel good for Masha after the 4 straight losses to Li.
     
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  6. hugobosstachini

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    ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? 4-41 Li ?? Is she for real ??

    15 games were played. How's that possible ? What a joke player, that's totally crazy, insane-- I've never seen such thing since I've been following tennis from 2004. :-?
     
  7. soyizgood

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    Li is crazy. What else is new? I've been trying to figure her out for 5 years. You can see why I called her the "Chinese Kuznetsova".

    If Petra doesn't work her butt off on outdoor hardcourts, she's going on the list. Why doesn't she just admit she hates outdoor hardcourts, excluding Australia? That asthma excuse is getting old. She can get something like Advair and some generic Claritin.
     
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    4-41 on what? No comprendo.
     
  9. Moose Malloy

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    maybe 4 winners, 41 unforced errors?

    that would be pretty remarkable.

    what were Sharapova's numbers? maybe forced was counted with unforced.

    total points won
    Sharapova 58
    Li 30
     
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    Yep that her W/UE ratio.

    Lol thats the worst I've ever seen I think. And to think people thought Venus's 70 was bad for a 33 game match.
     
  11. Moose Malloy

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    hmm, if that's true that would mean Sharapova only had 17 combined winners and forced errors that she drew from Li. subtracting 41 from 58 points won.
    I find that hard to believe. if the stats gave Sharapova exactly 17 winners that means that forced & unforced were counted as one stat.
     
  12. She didn't do great in Stuttgart though, if I remember correctly she lost to Lisicki, so points to gain there!
     
  13. Sorry.. 4-41?
    Is it just me or does Li just want to get out of Miami? That's possibly one of her worst results in the last few years. She's played badly a lot, but 4-41 is incredible by her standards. Normally she'd hit at least 10 winners due to her playing style even if she lost 6-1 6-2.. Oh dear.
    At least now she can go and prepare early for the clay court season.
    2xQF appearances at IW and Miami are a good result for Li, she lost in R2 of IW and Miami last year, so she's gained points and looks like a Top 8 player for sure, when she's ON that is.

    Just watch, many people will say she didn't deserve her FO title in 2011, but to be honest, China needed that singles Grand Slam, well Asia did, because on Chang (of Asian origin, played for USA) had won a GS before (FO as well when he was 17), so it was a big step, plus she made the AO final in 2011 as well and won Sydney, so she was the form player of the first 1/2 of 2011 along with Clijsters. Also, she beat some great players to win it, arguable one of the best win streaks for a long time to win a GS, Kvitova, Azarenka, Sharapova and defending champion from 2010, Schiavone.
     
  14. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    Yes, Li had 4 very good weeks in 2011 at 2 of the biggest tournaments of the year: Australian Open and French Open. She was untouchable at the French, especially.

    But there is a reason why she's known as an "UFE machine." Today is a good example of that. She's still a great champion, but we can't overlook her erratic tendencies on court.
     
  15. I just watched the highlights of Li vs Sharapova.
    It looks as if Li was struggling with the wind, as she hits the ball pretty early, her timing sucked, and all the shots she normally hits deep ended up well out.
    To be honest, it looked as if Li demolished herself, not that Sharapova had to do that much. In the 1st set, Li was broken to 0 three times.

    Another thing, the crowd was DEAD, it was no where near full, few people in the crowd. It's disappointing to see that a top level tournament can't at least have half a crowd for 2 Grand Slam Champions..
     
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    Oops yeah sorry, it's the W/UE ratio ;) here it is -- I mean this is just totally ridiculous --

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  17. Ico

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    Wow, that's nauseating. :shock:
    Li could build a solid gold pool filled to the brim with Benjamins if she wanted, but she can't find the tennis court when it counts. Just another day in the WTA.
     
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    Lol 70% of Pova's points came from a Li error
     
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    According to the statisticians, Li forced 8 errors and Sharapova 11 (personal calculations).

    I mean Li just couldn't keep a single freaking shot into play -- this is the far most ridiculous tennis I've ever seen.

    When you add Sharapova's numbers it's 10 - 59 -- could this be the worst match EVER played in the last decade (-49 differential) in a match where 15 games were played on the WTA tour :confused: 67% of the total points were unforced shots, disgusting.

    Sharapova didn't even play that well, her W/UE differential is pretty bad too but difficult to outdo Li Na's 41. :oops:
     
  20. Tcbtennis

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    I watched the first set of this horror show on TV. The first five games no one held serve which would be normally no problem if there was at least half decent tennis being played. Then Sharapova held her serve to make it 4-2 with Li hitting every return (if I remember correctly) into the net. From that point Sharapova played steadily and Li played quite horrifically. When the set finally ended, Thank God, the TV coverage switched to the Fish-Almalgro match.

    The final numbers for Li are pretty poor. She is such an enigma but so are Kvitova and Stosur. Though when Li stinks it up she can really stink it up.
     
  21. bluetrain4

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    Horrible play from Li, but is anyone THAT surprised? This sort of crazy inconsistency goes back long before she became a household name with her breakthrough last year, or even her AO SF in 2010.

    Yes, this is a particularly pathetic match, but, while I don't expect her to win any more Slams, I fully expect to see her have some great results (basically deep runs in big tournaments or winning mid-level tournaments, beating some top players along the way) in the future. Of course, being Li, those great results will be combined with bad results. Up and down - get used to it.

    Davenport was saying how Li did not win a match in IW or Miami in 2011 and 2010. So, getting to the QFs at both is actually a very good result for her. Losing to Sharapova is no sin, but the manner in which she lost is sort of unforgivable.

    Oh, Li.:shock::cry::mad::roll:
     
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    Umm..Im being a bit pre emptive but...does anyone have that gif of wozniacki and azarenka playing togehter....and then out of nowhere serena comes in and bulldozes them?


    I want to just have it ready :)
     
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    Woz and S.Williams about to get started now. Serena looks in pretty good shape. Should be a good match. Didn't know Rory was a Tarheels fan.
     
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    I'm going to go out a limb and predict Wozniacki wins multiple games.
     
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    Woz gets the first bp with a winner! :D And breaks!

    yeah and I'm counting myself fortunate to have missed those two Li matches against Pova and Lisicki. Wow, shocking.
    Serena's calling for a trainer.


    If Woz can find a 2.0 version of herself like Aza and Aggie, I'd really like to see that.
     
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  26. Ico

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    wtf is up with Miami?
     
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    Wozniacki is summoning her inner Roddick circa yesterday. Serena in 2.
     
  28. TERRASTAR18

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    serena is playing really flat, she needs to step into the court, in front of the baseline. she needs to flatten out her shots and take off some pace. to me wozzy isn't even playing that well.
     
  29. soyizgood

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    Woz up a set and 2 breaks?!?!
     
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    The time for turning up unprepared is past. You have to work for your wrongs my dear. Scoreline should make Serena think hard.
     
  31. TERRASTAR18

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    that wasn't why she lost.....it was more like bad tactics.
     
  32. TMF

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    Serena had no answer for Caro. She was cruising in her previous matches but this time she ran into a wall.
     
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    my god is that you skip?[​IMG]
     
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    THere's no other tactics. Serena gave it all she got, even threw a kitchen sink at her. However there's nothing you can do when the other player is better than you in almost every categories.
     
  35. Serena is quoted saying that she was only playing at 20% and that she's old enough to know not to make so many errors. Come on, Wozniacki hardly won the match herself, more Serena lost it. Most matches Vs Wozniacki are on the opponents racket, and normally they make too many errors to beat her. Wozniacki hardly hits more than 10 winners a match, normally less.
     
  36. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    Yesterday she hit 12 winners against Serena, which is actually really great for her. That's probably why she won, because she doubled her usual winner tally. LOL.

    No seriously though, I didn't watch the match, so I can't comment. I will say that she appears to have held serve twice to win both sets and the match. She apparently even hit some service winners to do so. That is a rarity on the women's tour (see: Domi vs Azarenka in the previous round), so let's give her props for that.

    We'll bash her the next time she loses a match with just 4 W's and 8 UE's or something :twisted:
     
  37. TERRASTAR18

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    you don't even believe that skip, so stop lying.
     
  38. TERRASTAR18

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    watch the match and you will see it for yourself.....or even if you don't think of their games and you can guess what the story was.
     
  39. soyizgood

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    Radwanska would be having a monster year if she didn't keep running into Azarenka. She still hasn't lost to anyone other than Azarenka this year.
     
  40. TMF

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    You didn't see the match because I did. Caro was a better mover, better defense, more consistent, more mentally tougher. Serena's best weapon is her serve and couldn't put pressure on Caro who returned well. Serena simply had no answer which led to fustration....

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  41. jones101

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    I saw the Match and while Caroline played well, its not like Serena was playing great tennis.

    Serena played poor, especially her FH, but if you are a fan of Caroline there was definitely a lot of positive aspects to Caroline's game last night. I was very impressed with her and she deserved the win. But again, Serena played a poor match.
     
  42. TERRASTAR18

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    i saw every point....did you see wozzy struggling on her serve.....stop talking nonsense skip.....
     
  43. TMF

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    It wasn't a walk in the park for Caro, but still she was the better player who had answer for Serena who was lost out there.

    You must be making excuse for Venus's lost too, no doubt.
     
  44. TERRASTAR18

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    venus was tired and a clever aggie took advantage....good on her.
    but on this wozzy business, you must be crazy to think i will just sit and listen to you talk this nonsense. you sound like skip on tebow.
     
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    yes of course, Williams sisters never admit other players are better when they lose, they always find other excuse, that's what I call sore losers
     
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    I guess Serena could have lied and said Caroline won because she's the better player.
     
  48. soyizgood

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    Bartoli is up a set & a break so far against Aza.
     
  50. volleyandfun

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    Sure, Williams sisters are the "best", just that they happen to loose now and then for some reason other than opponent's play

    Caroline won because she WAS a better player on that day
     

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