The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. soyizgood

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    Uhhh, Muslims don't (well, aren't supposed to) drink alcohol. Maybe tea will do since Coca-Cola isn't allowed to be sold in Muslim ME countries because it's sold in Israel.
     
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    Congrats to Stosur!
     
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    What does MM mean?
     
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    Its stands for Mickey Mouse, usually in reference to the International (max 280 points) tournaments, as they are usually entered by the lower ranked players, as they offer less prize money and points, and are less prestigous to top players.
     
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    Thanks! I was thinking Mandatory Masters :oops:
     
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    Uhh, what exactly does this have to do with our thread? You just earned a place on my prestigious Ignore List. Ciao!
     
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    Pavlyuchenkova lost to Pironkova?!?! Then again, makes sense when she piled up 63 UEs, 13 DFs, and 1st serve was 46%. :( And to think she's one of Russia's new hopes.
     
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    I thought she would do good here, after watching her beat Venus in China, where she played a fantastic match.

    Another inconsistent Russian it seems.
     
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    The words "consistency" and "Russian" don't belong in the same sentence. LOL
     
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    LOL. So true.
     
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    Wozniacki retired while leading 7-5 5-0. That begs for WWWH inclusion. She finally realized she played one or two events too many. I don't expect her to do much at Doha anyway, but it's been a good year. Not worthy to be #4 with only 4 top-10 wins this year, but then again the entire top 10 has been well... not up to par.

    Now there's betting allegations that Woz's father told her to retire. Uh oh..... Allegedly someone overheard Piotr tell his daughter:
     
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    I just realized Peer could win 3 MM events if she wins Luxemborg. With Wozniacki out it definitely leaves that draw wide open. I suspect Clijsters will lose so she won't be eligible for Bali. Not really a fan of hers, but GO PEER! Make those Indonesians cringe.
     
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    I don't get it? What up with retiring 1 game away at 5-0?
     
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    I can't believe someone compiled a WTA list of double faults and aces by country... ROFLMAO

    10/20/09
     
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    Vesnina will be on my watch list for 2010 (she's so pretty I'd gladly watch her anyway). Creeping towards top 20, but loses in round 1 to someone ranked below 120.... IN Moscow, her home city. Then again Kirilenko finally won for the 1st time in Moscow. Oh those Russians....
     
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    Radwanska and Pennetta also out of the KC, today.
     
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    Flavia had been playing way too many tournaments. She basically played almost all the pre-USO warmups, went deep at the USO and has been nonstop since.

    She should take the rest of the year off.
     
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    She is doing what JJ did last year, slowly running herself into the ground with tons of play. I can see the reason, she is playing pretty well lately, but that doesn't mean she needs to overstretch herself...your right, she should just take the rest of the year off.
     
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    Congrats Jankovic... I can't believe Zvonareva lost to Pironkova 6-0 6-2.
     
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    The Wickmayer/Cornet match is a break-fest.

    7 breaks of serve in the first set... Yanina takes it 7-5 :)
     
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    That is crazy...last years runner up not even in the tour championships the following year directly. Well...Vera still had some good things this year, first Slam Semi, won IW...not an abysmal year overall anyway.
     
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    Last I checked she was weighing her options though she had committed to a couple of events for January.
     
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    Kleybanova beats Jankovic. JJ looks to be fodder for Doha along with Wozniacki.
     
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    JJ won't be taking it to Doha like she did last year, she could have won last year if Venus hadn't been on fire the whole time, this year she'll be lucky to get out of RR play the way she has been going lately. It depends of course on her half but I don't see her doing much of anything there this year.
     
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    Dushevina is also on the watch. Loses the last 10 games to.... GOVORTSOVA.. OMG. And I thought Dushevina was just a minor league headcase...
     
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    My take on the Doha 8:

    Safina - Rested, but all the time off in the world's not fixing her serve, her mental state in big moments, and hasn't beaten a top 10 player since clay season.

    Serena - Rested, but this is the time of year she usually doesn't do much (quit at the YEC the last two years). Not doing that great either and is a wild-card.

    Kuznetsova - Been up and down, but having her best year imo. She's probably a favorite to win this given her win in Beijing, but she can either blow you away or obliterate herself with her errant ways.

    Venus - Quietly playing as bad as Safina. Her flaws are becoming more apparent while her best weapons (serve, backhand) are having off-days more often. Don't see her walking over her competitors like last year. Depends on whether she's in Safina's or Serena's group.

    Dementieva - Hardcourt season was good until the USO. Been dreadful since. She matches well against both Safina and Serena so she could get past her RR group.

    Wozniacki - Not expecting much here. RR fodder. Played way too many tournaments, doesn't match well against any of the other players except maybe Jankovic and an off-mode Kuznetsova. A victory just to make it this far.

    Azarenka - Hasn't done much since making the Wimby QFs. Like Wozniacki, a victory just for making it here. Unlike Wozniacki, when she's on she can beat any of the other players here. Likely RR fodder.

    Jankovic - Absolutely RR fodder. She's getting pushed around and her counter-punching ways are getting exposed while her movement isn't there. I can't see her beating any of the top 4 even in their wacky state. She can hope Dementieva falls in her draw.
     
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    You make it sound like there will be no winner in Doha, just different degrees of losers.
     
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    I got Venus and Kuznetsova as favourites, if Kuzzy is in Beijing form, she should win this.
     
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    What Soy probably means is that their seems to be no clear favorite among the 8 players taking part...and not in a good way. Jankovic has literally limped into the draw, and none of the players seems to be playing any kind of phenominal tennis of late, even Kuzzy in Beijing was not that strong despite her win. Its a complete and utter toss up who will win or even do anything good.
     
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    Out of the top 8, who actually is a lock to do anything at Doha? I'd have to see how the groups are compiled. Even then, Kuzzy is the only one going into the YEC with any momentum. And with her she is too unpredictable. Safina, Serena, Venus, Dementieva have been lackluster since the USO. Azarenka and Wozniacki are green, but both on slumps while Wozniacki is out of gas. Jankovic is out of gas too and has been underperforming in big events aside from Cincy.

    Honestly you're better off just throwing darts to pick a winner. I think Kuzzy, Venus, or Dementieva are the favorites. But anything goes here, for good and/or bad.
     
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    Yanina Wickmayer vs Timea Bacsinszky (Lux Open)

    Nail biter here... on serve

    3-4 in the 3rd with Wickmayer serving :shock:

    Bacsinszky's a crafty player... good serve and decent defensive skills... plus an excellent and unpredictable dropshot

    4-4

    5-5

    7-5 Bacsinszky
     
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    To show you how bad things have gotten. Last year the Kremlin Cup final was Jankovic vs. Zvonareva. This year, Schiavone vs. Govortsova. :shock: Who could have predicted that outcome? That and the turnout for the Lisicki-Peer match looks higher than either of the KC semifinals.
     
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    Lisicki is such a brainless ball-basher. She keeps trying drop-shots even though they haven't worked. Bashes 2nd serve UE returns into the net like she was passing out candy. She's being a UE machine on a surface that should play to her strengths. Peer is just letting Lisicki make errors. Going to a 3rd set.

    Peer breaks and leads 2-1.
    Lisicki breaks back 2-2.
    Peer breaks back 3-2.
    Peer up 4-2. Lisicki is falling apart.
    Somehow Lisicki holds. Peer up 4-3.
    Lisicki breaks. 4-4. Peer still mad she blew a chance to go up 5-2.
    Lisicki leads 5-4. Peer to serve.
    5-5. Lisicki to serve.
    6-5 Lisicki. Peer to serve.
    MP Lisicki... BH DTL winner by Peer! Deuce!
    6-6! Tie-breaker...

    1-0 Peer. Mini-break with the DTL FH passing winner.
    1-1. Break recovered.
    2-1 Lisicki.
    2-2. Someone tell these girls you're supposed to WIN your service points...
    3-2 Lisicki. She got the memo that time. On serve.
    3-3. I guess Peer got the memo as well.
    4-3 Peer. Good serve to the corner.
    5-3 Peer. WILD backhand error from Lisicki.
    5-4 Peer. Good deep serve from Lisicki. Peer could serve for the match...
    5-5. Lisicki hits a FH volley winner.
    6-5 Lisicki. MP.... Match Lisicki. Good match from both girls.
     
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    Who isn't on the women's tour? :confused:

    At least Lisicki seems to have potential to be a decent top 20 player for the years to come, big serve. I'd be surprised if she doesn't make a Wimby SF or Final in her career. But to IvanAndreevich's point earlier in the thread, you make it seem as if everyone on the women's tour sucks, though admittedly there aren't a lot of bright spots. But Lisicki's a talented player, don't bury her off of one match.

    But maybe you're too glass half empty in your assessments, try to be more positive every once in a while.
     
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    Lisicki's good, but other than her matches against Wozniacki I've caught she does Kuzzy-type stuff that make me go DOH! at times. Her serve has some pop to it and her forehand has its moments. Admittedly I've only seen about 4 matches of Lisicki. I was kind of pulling for Peer because if she won Luxembourg she would have been eligible to play for a $1 million bonus at Bali. Besides I did say it was a good match from both Lisicki and Peer.

    It's one thing if the top players were just knocking each other off in the process at the big events. Except for Wimbledon and the Australian (maybe a couple others), that has not been the case. But this year we've seen #1s lose to people in the 95-226 range and a #201 player winning a Tier-2 (Dulgheru @ Warsaw) among other things. I'm rooting for someone to step up and there are signs Wozniacki, Azarenka, Cirstea, Lisicki, Kleybanova, Pavlyuchenkova, Wickmayer and a few others could do that. When the points threshold to get #1 keeps going down while the rest of the pack isn't doing anything special, that's cause for concern. I'd like to see the top players performing more consistently (even those I don't really like) with steady progress from up and comers. Now you've got mediocrity at the top with up and comers/second-rate players getting hot and then instantly cold (i.e. Cornet, Kanepi, Peer, Vesnina, Suarez Navarro).

    2009 has not been the best of years. There have been a few bright spots (i.e. Sharapova winning Tokyo, Clijsters winning the USO, Azarenka winning Miami, Zvonareva winning Indian Wells) and there's the element of surprise waiting to happen in any event. It's just how WIDE open events are due to top players struggling to maintain consistency more than it is due to depth at the lower levels. Kremlin Cup Final: Schiavone vs Govortsova. I'd have had better luck picking the Megamillions numbers that picking out that bracket especially when Zvonareva and Jankovic were favored to fight for the final spot for Doha. Then again, Serena did the bare minimum in Beijing to take #1 while Safina did practically nothing in Miami to get #1 both in April and now going into the YEC (YEC 2008 pts fell off which bumps Safina to #1 again).

    The Road Map has not played out. Safina and Radwanska were among the first to complain about it before it went into effect. Apparently the rest of the ladies didn't notice until well into the season there were problems. I can understand the WTA wanted to keep the International events for the journey players and up-and-comers with occasional appearances by top players. That and to ensure top players play at the Premier events, but it just has not happened. For example, Safina and Serena have only played each other 1 time this year despite hogging the top two spots since February. I can't think of another year where such a situation occurred. It's not the WTA's fault such a situation played out, but compressing the calendar was going to cause problems for players that incur injuries. Zvonareva had accumulated the most points in a 7 month span before her ankle injury, but now she's not in Doha. The injury bug struck quite a few players which contributed to some bad play from Petrova, Safina, Jankovic, Venus, Serena, Zvonareva, Sharapova just to name a few.
     
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    I've seen a few of Lisicki's matches and from what I can tell, her serve is ok, but nothing solid. She has some pop on the first serve but her second serve is most times left laying right out for the opponent to take advantage. She leaves herself wide open for attack off of it and needs to learn, at least in my opinion, how to slice or spin it a little or at least learn to place it better on a consistent basis. Her Forehand is probably her best shot when its on, but like so many on the the tour today its frequently spraying the ball all over the place and she sometimes seems to not know her own strength with it, she semi-frequently seems to hold back on it when she could just pound it for a winner. Her backhand needs work, and her return could be a little stronger. She however is young and seems, unlike some, to be improving as time goes on. I have hopes she could be top 15 or maybe top 10 soon.
     
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    ^^^ Good assessment. I agree she has talent. She is quite aggressive from the baseline and she has the mindset for coming to the net and taking drive volleys. Her drop-shots could be better, but then again her match with Peer was indoors so that might not have worked too well. The backhand definitely needs work as she's prone to mis-timing it and not getting much margin for error. She can definitely get in the top 20 next year and maybe top 15. Her game kind of reminds me of Kuznetsova in that it can switch on/off real fast. It's not like she's controlling the rallies because she's trying to end the points right away. I think she'll figure it out eventually, but she's had her share of injuries this year.
     
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    I agree. Lisicki is in my opinion a refreshing change for the WTA, a nice girl who actually has a big serve. She seems like she has promise at the net and with a big forehand, she could be a threat at Wimbledon and the US Open for years to come.

    As bad as things have been for the WTA these last couple years, I think next year will be a nice change. Both Belgians will be back and hopefully they'll push the Williams sisters to be better. The WTA could have a legitimate top 4 for once.
     
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    I will be like 2003 again, good times. I acutally think that the US Open loss to Clijsters, they both know she is a big threat at the slams and Serena in particular, will be in better shape in 2010 IMO knowing both Kim and Henin are back. She knows the threat they bring.

    It can only mean good things for next year. I really think the WTA will turn a corner.
     
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    Nice play by play... you had me biting my nails just reading your post :-?
     
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    That would be awesome!!!!:)
     
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    Who has the Doha draw and order of play?
     
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    And shes not that bad looking to haha had to ballboy her match:lol:
     
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    :) nice haha, what tournament?
     
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    Bacsinszky wins her first WTA title!

    ... and these lame cloggers are doing some interminable 'dance' at the trophy ceremony.
     
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    Lisicki has her moments of spraying the court as she did in this match. She's going to get better, but she needs to play smarter. Good year though and hope she can stay healthy. Missed out on playing Bali though.
     
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    I think today we'll learn of the RR groups for Doha. Last year Safina had the Group of Death while the other group was so wide open.

    I can conclude the following:
    Safina and Serena will be in different groups
    Kuznetsova and Wozniacki will be in different groups
    Dementieva and Azarenka will be in different groups
    Venus and Jankovic will be in different groups

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    Safina's group might have Wozniacki, Dementieva, and Jankovic
    Serena's group would then get Kuznetsova, Azarenka, and Venus
    
    In that scenario, all of Serena's opponents have beaten her this year while Safina's lost to Dementieva and Jankovic. Not an easy draw for either player. This scenario could actually favor Jankovic since she's beaten Safina and OWNS Dementieva while Wozniacki is basically her clone. Serena's group would be the ball-bashing and grunting club which means anything goes while the match with Venus possibly determines which Williams' advances.

    Code:
    Scenario 2 is Safina/Kuznetsova/Azarenka/Venus 
    Serena/Wozniacki/Dementieva/Jankovic
    
    This scenario would have Safina facing 3 players that beat her this year, two in embarrassing fashion. That would appear to give Serena the easier draw though she has match-up issues with Dementieva and Jankovic while barely beating Wozniacki in January.

    I think the 1st scenario would be appropriate. It's the classical QF draw of 1v8, 4v5, 2v7, 3x6. While I doubt Safina advances from RR in either scenario, that one would be the easier one imo and the #1 ranked player should get the easier draw. I'd say the same even if Serena was #1 and we all know how I feel about her. I want to see somebody fight for #1 and preferably win this as #1, but this is the WTA of 2009 so I'm not expecting that outcome.
     
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    MPS groups championship. She was on the outside courts and she is one of the few players that thanks the ballboys after the match.
     

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