The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. SteveI

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    I know Andy Roddick does not always get credit for his game and efforts on TT.. but he never misses a Davis Cup and kills himself for the USA. Guy is a Davis Cup warrior.
     
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    He's like Jim Courier. Not a good-looking game, but what a Davis Cup hero.

    Cheers to Courier and Roddick.
     
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    For 2009
    Dementieva: 130 aces, 413 double faults
    Safina: 152 aces, 375 double faults

    If I have a daughter, serving will be a vital part to be worked on. Having just a decent serve might be good enough to make #1. Safina made #1 with a 2.5/1 ratio of DFs/aces...:shock:
     
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    dood!!! mathematically speaking, dementieva has given away over 103 games this year and safina has given away over 93!
     
  6. Moose Malloy

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    do you have these stats for other players? like Serena?
     
  7. soyizgood

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    I fetched the numbers off of another forum. I think the WTA has a tally of this as well somewhere.

    By the way, Serena is the gold standard at serving:
    346 aces, 172 double faults
     
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    Anyone know what's up with Amelie Mauresmo? her forum is offline. I guess this means she's decided to retire?
     
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    I don't think she's made an announcement yet. She has a nice long off-season to think things over.
     
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    No question about it. Even w/o stats, she's clearly the best. Her toss, her motion....the way she mixes it up, her accuracy and power. Best serve of all time in women's tennis. Better than Graf or Martina, I think.

    The only thing negative I can say is that she is not always completely as clutch as Steffi....and that Serena does footfault from time to time, ;-)
     
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    Bump, to show cuddles26 what a travesty the women's game is in comparison to the men's
     
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    ^Elizabeth Lambert^ looks a little bit like Sabine Lisicki.
    Only this chick's a sick-o. She's taken the whole surly, solid fullback/defender persona a little too far. She probably lacks technique and speed so she is trying to compensate ... with thuggery.

    I'm sure the NCAA will slap her on the wrist. Maybe she gets a pat on the back, too, for getting college girls' soccer on ESPN?
     
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    Here are three of your beloved grunting princesses:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1DJBh6GZ8
     
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    I hope Larcher De Brito never makes the top 50 even (sorry Gorecki). I mean that is just ridiculous, I don't care how old you are. No excuse for that.

    I mean at least Serena is consistent with her grunt, she doesn't seem to have different grunts depending on how big the point is. But Sharapova almost blatantly changes her grunt on big points in order to distract opponents. And this LDB girl is a whole other level.
     
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    Mauresmo is holding a press conference on Thursday, apparently.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    I'm not sparing anyone on the topic of grunting. Here's to you, Venus.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRb5niH5GSw&feature=related
     
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    I finally updated some comments.
     
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    Looks like Vaidisova won't be playing at the AO. Wasn't even in the qualifying draw. Looks like she has sold her soul and what little brain to Stepanek...LOL
     
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    She makes me sad, so much potential, so many gifts :)

    Serious tho, she should not be ranked lower than 50 with the game she has.
     
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    Maybe she isn't playing the AO because of her last result:

    Nicole just being Santa to everyone. 'No girl left behind' seems to be Nicole's approach to tennis.
     
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    ^Soyisgood,

    Just wanted to say thanks again for this awesome thread.

    Do you have any predictions for us of women who will stumble badly in 2010? How do you think Dinara will do? Will this be Venus' last year? Who will retire abruptly a la Henin and Clijsters? Any Sharapova thoughts (I'm starting to miss her)? Are Oudin's best days behind her? And how come Alexa Glatch doesn't do better?
     
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    Hmmm.... Seeing how nutty 2009 went, I'm not sure I want to be on the record for predictions for 2010.

    Wild guesses here.

    Serena will stay true to form and not win the AO on an even year. Forget the FO. Wimby she could win again, but with her hitting 29 this year I don't see her hoisting a USO trophy.

    Safina's season will hinge on her holding up during clay season. No expectations for her to do anything at the AO (back injury) or Wimbledon (grass). She has the heart, but not the will of a true champion. And I say this as a fan. Until she can figure out things on her own, she's not going to get much better.

    Kuznetsova is always unpredictable. Forget Wimby. AO is a definite possibility. Don't see her repeating the FO because, well, she's Kuzzy. USO is definitely possible if she can avoid Henin and annoying pushers like Wozniacki.

    Wozniacki's best shot for majors would be on the slower majors AO and FO. Her USO run was a fluke. She needs to develop a kill shot because now that she's gotten attention (that and can't play a bunch of Minne Mouse events anymore) she needs to adapt. She's young, but still a bit too green imho.

    Dementieva... forget it. That gold medal is as good as it gets for her. She chokes, mentally breaks down, her serve is an atrocity, and she's Venus/Jankovic/Kuznetsova's lapdog. That and she NEVER beats Serena in majors. Could do some damage at the Tier-1s, but not expecting anything else from her. Hope she proves me wrong, but she's Russian so she's seemingly doomed to come up short...

    Venus is basically a grass-court specialist now. I don't see her doing anything else at this point. She is so hot-and-cold even on hardcourts. Her serve and backhand are breaking down more often while she's never shown the capacity to mix things up during matches. I like her more than I do Serena (that's not saying much), but her best days are well behind her. She might need to attack the net more.

    More on the others in a bit....
     
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    Rather than comment on the top 10, I'll just throw a few wild guesses on folks to watch for at the majors:

    AO - Kuznetsova, Azarenka, Clijsters (wildcard here), Wozniacki, Jankovic
    FO - Safina, Kuznetsova, Henin (wildcard), Sharapova (only since she wins majors on even years and this is the one she hasn't collected on), Jankovic
    Wimby - Serena, Venus, insert anybody else as cannon fodder
    USO - Clijsters, Serena, Azarenka, Zvonareva, Wozniacki?

    • Serena will stay in the top 4 barring injury.
    • Safina is hard to predict as I suspect she'll drop a few spots.
    • Kuzzy can stay around the top 5 given that some of her peers have. stagnated/slightly declined or are taking more gradual steps up.
    • Dementieva and Venus could slip off the top 10.
    • Jankovic/Radwanska/Wozniacki need another weapon to maintain or move up in rank.
    • Azarenka needs a good punching bag to vent on. Improve the serve and she could break out even further.
    • Sharapova needs to cut down on those reverse forehand finishes or else her shoulder will be finished. I don't like her game, but she has the heart and will of a champion.
    • Clijsters might make some noise, but history for those moms doesn't bode that well. I suspect she'll do well on tour events, but likely 0 slams for the year.
    • Henin needs to show she can walk the walk. I still am angry that she quit like a coward after Safina humiliated her on clay. Her game doesn't work well on grass, especially that extreme backhand. She's fun to watch, but I just don't see her taking the tour by storm like she did in 2007.

    Others:
    Zvonareva needs to make sure her ankle is 100%. She has the tools, but her temper is often a dark cloud over her head. Could be a sleeper at AO/FO/USO, but could also go out early (Kuzzy syndrome).
    Cirstea and Lisicki, if they can refine their strokes, could turn a few heads.

    As for those young ones:
    I'm wondering if Vandeweghe will live up to being the next Davenport. Oudin got humbled after the USO, but she's definitely a welcome spark plug. De Brito moved back to Portugal, so we'll see if she can continue her progress. I'm wondering when Mladenovic will take on a few more tour events as she's only 16 yet has a huge serve.
     
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    Mmm, I think this is Jankovic's year. US Open for her.

    I also predict Ivanovic will move back into the top 10. Sometimes ya need to hit rock bottom before you will seek help, doncha know?

    Dementieva (the female Davydenko) will and should win a slam. Which one? : flips coin: Let's say Aussie open.

    I would like nothing better than to see Dementieva and Davydenko hoist the trophies at AO. They have *so* paid their dues.

    Boy, the door is wide open for someone to make a big move . . .
     
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    Did anybody catch Sam Stosur v. Melanie Oudin at Hopman Cup?

    I kind of figured that Melanie would have a rough 2010, and this was not a good start. Winners in the single digits? Aced multiple times? Only three shouts of "Come on!" Ah, well. It was a nice ride while it lasted, Melanie.

    As for Stosur, I am shocked at some of the easy put-aways she misses.
     
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    Stosur is a more hardened player than Oudin at this point. Stosur is a legit top 20 player. That and this is just the Hopman Cup, which is basically an exhibition event. As for the aces, Oudin is 5'6" on a good day. She might idolize Henin and has a similar build, but Oudin hasn't really developed a money-shot yet. Think of her as a shorter, more aggressive Wozniacki at this point.
     
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    Truth. Sam is hard. No question.
     
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    Oudin also didn't seem to be hitting her slice as well or at all. You think maybe her coaches told her not to?

    I think if she's going to be mini-Wozniacki, she needs to be faster and develop *a lot* more variety. I don't think I've ever seen Oudin hit a drop shot.
     
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    She isn't even that good as a defensive player. Wozniacki is MUCH more consistent than her. She misses routine shots on her FH all the time. Yet the commentators keep talking her up as a player who "can get anything back" as if she is Nadal or something!
     
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    Yeah Mac compared her to Nadal last yr at the USO. I knew that was ridiculous.
     
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    What, you'd rather Oudin do this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQaDEvaNJVg
     
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    Speaking of Oudin, I re-watched the end of the Oudin-Sharapova USO match. That had to be the most excruciatingly painful match for me to watch last year (seriously, neither girl played like they wanted to win. Absolute break-fest with over 100 UEs, 15 breaks of serve with 6 straight in the 3rd set, 27 double faults between the two). Well, at least right up there with the Dementieva-Jankovic Cincy semifinal.
     
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    They say people watch Nascar for the crashes.

    I watch tennis for the crashes too! :)
     
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    yup, at one point her forehand and her serve had potential of being huge weapons.

    now she's broke. somebody needs to stage an intervention or something!!! :twisted:
     
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    Interesting speculations from Soyizgood. :)
    Year 2010 is certainly not easy to predict. Where my views differ is that I believe Belgian-comeback-girls will take at least one slam but perhaps even more...
    I especially believe to Clijsters chances to take more slams this year. But I have made the mistake of not believing in Henin's capabilitie before so I leave door open for her as well!
    I definitely wouldn't count out Ivanovic the way Soyizgood did! I doubt her chances of winning any slams this year but like Cindy I believe she will again improve her ranking and propably take some GP-tournament victories.

    I would like to compare Elena with Agassi! Andre was for long 'choker' and many started to think he's not gonna win any slams and then he won Wimbledon of all the tournaments! Dementieva has enough talent to win Grand Slam. AO often produces "suprise winners" -it would also be the best chance for Elena I think. Though only if she can avoid Serena and Jankovic... :-?
     
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    Ivanovic, except for IW, has been playing like garbage for about 19 months. Vaidisova has been playing like dirt for 2 years and Chakvetadze has been a complete mess for most of the past 2 years. These are the supposed to be their prime years, not times of playing like journey women!

    Clijsters is all hailed to be a world beater... where was this mighty lady before she retired (have we forgot all of her choking which would make even Petrova envious)? She was basically a "better" Kuznetsova then and I still think of her that way now. Heck even Kuznetsova took a slam in '09 and also beat Serena in the process doing so. She (before retirement) wasn't much better than Safina in big moments either (she got there more often, but her outcomes were bad too). With her juggling mom duties, I see her having similar problems that Davenport had and Davenport >> Clijsters.

    Henin is a wild card. Clijsters' game was built to hang with the big girls. Henin's relies more on controlling tempo and is actually more defensive. One of her assets was/is her speed and anticipating the opponent's next move. IMO she picked a bad time to go into retirement. I liked Henin a lot, but her being a coward (basically deferred the reigns of dominance Serena while fearing losing the FO after that Berlin loss) just made me cringe. She's great, but I seriously doubt she'll be as focused or as hungry as she was in 2007.
     
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    As much as I am in awe of Dementieva (her beauty, firepower, resolve) I refuse to be fooled into her game of "teasing you to hair-pulling" misery. I really would like her to win one, but her serve has always been her undoing. That and when one part of her game is off, EVERYTHING goes south. She's not really different than Safina/Zvonareva/Petrova in that she can't keep it together on all cylinders for for 2 weeks. It's amazing she's done so much DESPITE her crap serving and mental choking. She must be kicking herself that she has 0 slams while Myskina and Kuznetsova have that piece of hardware.

    Jankovic has similar problems. The only recent slam winner with an iffy serve is Ivanovic and well we see where she's at....
     
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    I'm sorry but I used to have faith in Dementieva and Safina, not anymore. I don't feel sorry for their recent struggle. The head case russian mafia(Dementieva, Safina,Zvonareva) and slow servers like Jankovic, Bartoli will never win a GS in their lives.

    Those girls have had all their chances to win a Slam during a piece of cr@p era and yet got all destroyed by the Williams sisters or choked infront of head cases (Kuznetsova, Ivanovic).

    I detest Serena Williams but f*ck if there's no competition besides the Belgium team, well she's my 3rd pick as much as I hate admitting this.
     
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    This week in Brisbane, Henin's been playing a lot more aggressive, and she says she's going to try and do that in her return. It's gotten her mixed results - she's winning, but it hasn't always been pretty. Last night vs Czink could have gone either way if it wasn't for a few close calls going against Czink. And Henin had a ton of UEs and as you mentioned, sort of went away in the 2nd before taking the 3rd in the TB. She was looking at her box a lot.

    I don't think right now she has what it takes to beat Serena or Venus at a slam. Playing more aggressive really plays into the WS hands. She's bound to get better as the year goes on of course, but I don't think she'll win the AO. Probably out 4th round/QF stage.
     
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    I'm sorry but Venus (outside of Wimbledon and at times US Open) has been terrible in GS has of late that virtually anybody can beat her. But I do agree with you that if she faces an aggressive opponent that does not choke, Henin will lose @ the moment.

    But you also have to admit she's playing better than you originally thought. Since her comeback, could win her very first tournament :shock:
     
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    What was my original thought? I've already said she's gonna take the French hands down, but I still say that's it slamwise.

    She's played well this week, abit hit or miss at times w/ her aggressive gameplan. Next week will be the real judge of her AO prospects, w/ 9 of the top 10 in the field.
     
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    I'm not here to argue with you about it, realistically the only lock for her to win a GS is RG but I hope she wins Wimbledon in the future (seems very unlikely @ the moment). I don't know where I was going with this I figured you were downgrading Henin. My apologies.
     
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    Speaking of Headcase Russian Mafia, I'll likely put out a poll to see who the real Queen of that faction is.
     
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    Do you mean recently or in GS in general?
     
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    Meh I still think you write off Venus too easily.
     
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    I'm not writing her off that much.

    She's still the favorite to win Wimbledon every year (Serena being close second and no one else comes close) and she's usually the second or third favorite to win the US Open.

    As far as AO or RG, she has not made a QF in either for quite some time so I don't see why I should be rooting for her on either surfaces at this point.
     

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