The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. boredone3456

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    Kirilenko has a game similar to Aga's and has all the tools that could drive Maria nuts and throw her off center. She could do it and I really hope she does and wins the whole tournament because I think she has made a lot of improvements in her game. But being realistic looking at the 2-4 H2H she has against Maria and the fact Makiri has needed 3 sets to win all of her matches so far..I don't know if she will have it to beat Maria this time.

    I hope she does, she is by far my favorite player remaining, but if Kerber wins I will be happy for her as well. Her and Makiri deserve to win a big one.

    Watch...I probably just jinxed them and we'll get to watch Woz and Masha now...
     
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    Even if she made it only to the quarters, she'd still pick up a lot of points. She lost in the first round last year.
     
  3. Narcissist

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    I think makiri is quite a bit more aggressive than aga, aga is one of a kind on the tour really.

    I'd love for makiri to take it but wouldn't mind if carebear did instead.
     
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    Kvitova is all over the place. She refuses to stop resting on what she thought earned her that lone major; that's in her head, and when it obviously does not work (everyone figured her out), she's scattered and has no strategy.
     
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    Kind of agree with that, I think it's probably time for Petra to accept that she'll never be winning big tournaments/slams with this "flash in the pan" game, tactic, strategy etc. or whatever that was in 2011. Wimbledon 2013 is going to make 2 years since she stroke that peak, peak itself which wasn't even that steady and I think she still believes she'll attain that level and with (consistent) success [...]

    I actually doubt it and all times she lives with that belief, she'll have substantial doubts about her game and consistent failures. I don't think her game is that good enough to dominate. She'll have some fluke highs when conditions will suit her game e.g. Dubai and a majority of lows on surfaces, environments that do not.
     
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    Kvitova can improve in several ways.

    Getting a new coach could help. That did wonders for Azarenka and Radwanska. She needs a new voice imo since she doesn't use half of her skills well. She can certainly improve her serve variety and her forehand needs a rally ball and approach elements.

    She's never going to be quick like Aga, Venus, Clijsters, Kerber, but she could take a page from Davenport and dictate the pace within her comfort zone.

    I don't think she needs so much of a fitness improvements as much as she needs on maintaining focus and on winning smarter, not harder.
     
  7. Tanya

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    I think her game is good enough to dominate, the problem is she is way too erratic and is only capable of dominating when she is "on". The problem with her, and what sets her apart from someone like Serena, is that on her "off" days she has no plan B...very little in terms of a defensive game and mixing up her play to not rely solely on blasting winners.
     
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    Disagree 100%. Her problem is mostly mental. She has lapses in focus. For me she is the most talented out of all of them aside from Serena but she is not as steely as Serena is mentally obviously. I think she needs to become much fitter and that will help her confidence and focus. All the talent is there for her to dominate it is all up to her and whether or not she wants to put in the work to get there.
     
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  10. boredone3456

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    She would get 495 points. A good Chuck but still small when you factor in the dropping of her Olympics points over the summer.
     
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    Yeah, the fact that she has struggled through so far means she won't be at her freshest, which she would need to topple Sharapova. Here's hoping that it has just motivated her further and made her super match tough!

    I *really* like Kerber! When she is playing her best, she can beat anyone. She *should* beat Wozi anyway if she can keep her errors under control.

    Woz and Masha in a final would be so painful to watch (and listen to!).

    Aga has gotten a bit more aggressive on both her serve and forehand, which I think has been the difference this past year or so. I enjoy watching her so much...reminds me of Martina Hingis. She is so creative. I wish she would smile once and a while though!
     
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    Makiri vs aga at wimbledon was one of my favourite wta matches last year: no baseline bashing, no shrieking, no UE fests
     
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    I really like Azarenka and her game...but the shrieking is just so off-putting, and really takes away from her appeal IMO.

    Sharapova is just hard to watch for me for many reasons. I respect her competitiveness and grit and all, but between the bashing and her shrieking, uh, no thanks!

    Maybe Aga and Kirilenko will start a new wave in women's tennis!
     
  14. Rob31

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    She's a one-dimensional brainless ballbasher who pray to see her shots IN all the time, she couldn't adapt her game depending to the opponent to save her life, is a player with poor footwork and a low tennis IQ, she has many weaknesses in her game. She was good enough to win Wimbledon but then she proved it was a fluke...
    She can lose to many players who can counter-punch/redirect her powerful shots especially on slow courts.
    She won't win another slam, in my opinion.
     
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    I think she can, but it will take some serious reworking of the considerable gifts she does have...and she's got to take it to the next level as far as fitness is concerned. She's got some serious raw talent and the lefty-ness is just another plus in her column.
     
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    I second this! It was extremely entertaining and of very classy quality.
     
  17. hugobosstachini

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    It'd be interesting too but that could go either way. We saw what that did with Djokovic and his serve in 2010 (?) Victoria changed coach when she wasn't that big of a player yet. Kvitova has a slam, a YEC + some other stuffs and enormous expectations on her back... I'm not risking to call a positive outcome out of a new coach though it could turn out to be just that [...] who knows.

    Seems to me that, it comes back to my same conclusion, she's not going to win many slams neither with her current game and neither with her future Davenport game. She's limited and constrained to just power. Don't get me wrong, Davenport had a tremendous career with ONLY 3 slams which leads again to this inevitable conclusion.

    Petra's game isn't really difficult to lecture and it makes her utterly predictable. Even in her so called "peak", she was extremely inconsistent [...] personally, I can only see her with 1, 2 or 3 slams maximum (like Davenport to whom she's often compared) but I'm getting convinced that her game just doesn't cut it [...] for sporadic tennis, yes.

    Some of the droppers Serena ran down in the Doha F for example while she's totally past her peak for a long time already, Petra can only dream of and you don't win matches in modern tennis (ATP or WTA) if you're not a good mover, defender, counter-puncher balanced out with good/great offensive skills hence also why Sharapova gets consistently thumped by both Serena and Victoria who actually are the very best on the tour at combining offense and defense on the tour to equal measures.
     
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    You're trying to reduce complex elements to it's most simplistic form from a far observer's eye but I just think Petra's game simply just doesn't do it on the long term and never will just like Sharapova's.

    Petra is subordinate not only to her form but to the types of players she'll be facing day in and out, and, it's no secret that most top players nowadays are offensive-minded counter-punchers or at least aggressive-baseliners who can practice defense/counter-offense like Victoria or Serena. Petra practices a nice robotic mind-less tennis but these players are able to take that away from her by making their more solid games consistently greater than her flashy winners. Not so difficult though with Petra.

    She can lose to everybody and even at her supposed super-best, prime/peak, she took three sets to best Pironkova and three others for pre-prime/peak Azarenka in Wimbledon, additionally, three others in the YEC. She's not so unbeatable just overrated but because of her flashy game, she gets credit. How long will that last, is the question now.
     
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    The modern game nowadays requires more than just power to be eligible for domination otherwise a player like Sharapova would have dominated for a long time already which we know is not the case since she's always been the bridesmaid of more stable players. So I don't think her game is that good for such highly rated terms.

    Just like Sharapova, this is why their games aren't good enough for a long-term domination, I've never been a fan of Serena but I admit that a large part of her era is due to an underestimated area of her game which is her athleticism.

    While Serena's game is pretty modern whether she played in the past or in the actual present as trends the dominating successful playing style's of both ATP and WTA, able to equally combine great defense/counter-offense and great offense, Petra's game is vastly outdated.

    This is why Serena is so dominant on Sharapova and would be extremely dominant on Petra anytime anywhere had she (Petra) been older. Sharapova on the other hand has always had a more modern game than Davenport, hence she had Davenport's number and owns Petra's ever since they played that Wimbledon F. Tennis nowadays is about mastering the two extremes... Sharapova knew it and deserved for example her RG title for these efforts. She also enjoys being very consistent contrary to the past and pilling SF, F even when she's far from playing her best in many of these.
     
  20. boredone3456

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    So Watson was up 6-1 4-1 and blew it...ya dunno what to say to that
     
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    In retrospect of in the Ferrer-Almagro AO QF, I honestly think it's the Big 4 Ferrer, Almagro, and everyone else.

    The reason why I said that is if he had better mental toughness, he could have beaten Ferrer, and I honestly think that he could have beaten Djokovic in the SF and Murray in the Finals. I know this guy has talent like Monfils, but it's very frustrating watching these two players play. :mad:

    Similar to the WTA, I just hope that players like Radwanska, Wozniacki, Errani, etc. can break out of their shells and hopefully win a Major or a Masters tournament this year besides the same players over and over again.. :|
     
  22. Soianka

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    Wow Alexa Glatch beat Melanie Oudin.
     
  23. soyizgood

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    The young girls give me little reason to believe they'll be winning majors anytime soon.
     
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    Not a surprise considering it's Melanie Oudin.
     
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    So far, none have provided any reason to think they will win a major--Wozniacki in particular. Granted, if a major's draw opened up with a ton of upsets, injuries, withdrawals, etc., then she may have a shot, but there's no chance under the typical circumstances.
     
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    Wasn't there a thread about her saying that she wasn't mentally strong enough to keep her #1 spot?

    Because of this, will she ever be tough enough to win a major or a masters tournament?

    :confused:
     
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    This. I'm actually only surprised when Oudin WINS.
     
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    With so many walking wounded WTA players, Sunshine may win one by default.
     
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    What about the moon? :)

    So.... is Zvonereva retired or what?

    :?
     
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    She's still more likely to be defeated in the final in straight sets by a qualifier if you ask me.
     
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    Nah, she has boulders, no one gonna deny her
     
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    Okay, Wozniacki isn't that bad..

    :confused:
     
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    Their is no shell, these girls just don't have the game to beat the best players, especially on the biggest of stages.

    Actually, all 3 of those players are fairly mentally tough by WTA player standards, so that's not the problem, problem is they don't have the ability to take it to Serena/Azarenka/Sharapova/etc.
     
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    What up with Jules Georges? Lost in straights to a no namer WC?

    And Sloane Stephens gets 1st set bagel, on court now?
     
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    Sloane has recovered nicely from that awful first set...
     
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    Yeah, Sloane recovered to win 0-6, 6-4, 6-4. A much needed win.

    Serena and Li Na are back!!
     
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    No, you're right. Woz's specialty is beating up on mugs. It's the top players she can't defeat :lol:
     
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    I honestly don't believe she'll win a major or a masters anytime soon.. She and the other WTA women simply doesn't have the skills to beat S.Wiliams/Sharapova/Azarenka/etc. It's a shame as the Top 4 women are going to dominate WTA for a while and they will be given little to no challenge at all..

    I'm still flabbergasted that Ryan Harrison (88 ) lost 6-2,6-2 in 57 minutes to the 33 year old James Blake (95). :confused:

    "It was one of those days when things are going in and right from the start I felt really good," Blake said. "Tonight, is an example of what can happen when I can put it together. I was really being aggressive and taking it to him."
     
  40. Tanya

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    Another disappointing loss for Pavlyuchenkova, especially considering she took the first set.

    Still, Muguruza is showing a lot of promise so far this year. Despite losing 6-2, 6-0 to Serena in Australia (that was the only time I've actually seen her play) she displayed a lot of talent and managed to keep it close in the early goings of that match before Serena simply broke away and dominated. Garbine has solid strokes and seemingly a good fighting attitude, plus she's young and pretty and is thus likely to gather a lot of attention if she can keep winning. She had a decent showing in Indian Wells too if I recall correctly, winning a couple of rounds there.
     
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    So the Germans are doing just amazing in Miami

    Lisicki got knocked out yesterday...Georges gone today...
    Barthel is struggling against Rybarikova and if Petkovic beats Bartoli I will be shocked..

    That would leave Kerber...

    I like these girls but I just don't get them LOL

    Edit: And Barthel goes Bye bye...these girls need to place a conference call to Steffi or even Anke Huber...
     
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    Petko moves on with a retirement over Bartoli. I am happy to see Petko back.
     
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    Azarenka-Keys not being streamed tomorrow. **** this **** tournament.
     
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    Yeah really, coverage of Miami and IW is terribad...ESPN3 is especially worthless because when it does actually show matches they're only ATP....and the later rounds of WTA matches are blacked out and only on ESPN2 -_- sportlemon is my savior (even though those streams are terrible quality). Le sigh.
     
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    Woznizcki proving her IW run was fortunate.
     
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    Blame the ITF for doing a poor job on marketing the sport.
     
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    Should Kvitova be the new floor leader? I think Wozniacki did her part to just fall back in the pack of contributors.
     
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    Sure. She's a headcase who still thinks she's in that Wimbledon match (and believes the rest of the field has not figured out her game). She's on a conscious auto-pilot of arrogance, and she's rewarded with her failures at the majors. Add her refusal to lose her spare tire and learn to stop being so flat-footed, and you have the new floor leader--or at least a co-chair with the universally bad Wozniacki.
     
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    I've given her so many chances to avoid this list, but I can't stand it anymore. :(

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    Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, for the uninitiated.
     

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