Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by soyizgood, Feb 2, 2009.
P3tra's style is all or nothing though, girl live and dies by her sword.
Eugénie Bouchard changes coach. She separates from the Frenchwoman Nathalie Tauziat, ex-Wimbledon finalist in 1998. She had won Junior Wimbledon in 2011 under her coaching. She will now be coached by Nick Saviano in his academy in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Okay so the 2013 season is basically over, save for the MM YEC, oops Sofia, and Fed Cup.
Anyone want to summarize this year?
Did you find yourself more/less interested in WTA?
Any names nominated to add/remove?
^Say, what do you mean by "Mauresmo syndrome" next to Stosur? "Great shots but mentally out of there"? "Won her slam and stopped playing after that"?
Stosur finds a way to screw up playing her home major. Did you watch that 2nd round AO match against Zheng? Or losing in the 1st round in 2012? Like Mauresmo, she'd rather play elsewhere than her home major.
Ah okay, now I get it.
Does anyone knows who is Rodolphe Gilbert? They say his best ranking was #61 in 1992. i say this because it is the guy who will coach Mladenovic as of now.
The Wozard of Woz signs up Hogstedt as her coach! Chalk her up for a major in 2014 please.
Very good hire, but he'll never beat Piotr.
She makes the list
Its a step in the right direction for Wozzy if he stays on that is.
And if daddy truly steps aside.
Seems like Goerges is auditioning for the "left for dead" section. Just checked and she's all the way down to 75 :shock: I guess I shouldn't be shocked...I have 't seen her win hardly anything this year. Have there been injuries or is it just a case of WWWH?
McHale's mistrial made me laugh.
I've been thinking it would be fun to have an honor roll of graduates or something. It would be kind of interesting to see which players actually got their act together and became successful and what they did to make that happen. Obviously easy for me to say - that would be a pretty time consuming project. Was wondering if Azarenka was ever on the list?
Yes, 2010-2011 she was.
Jules can drop down even more if she doesn't defend her AO 4th round.
I just don't see Russia's D squad winning Fed Cup. Of course I'll be pulling for Kleybanova and the rest of the team to do well.
Yeah, what happened there?
Pavlyuchenkova, Vesnina and Kirilenko clearly opted for the tournament of champions, Sharapova is injured, and Kuznetsova/Petrova simply didn't want to, but how about Makarova/Dushevina/Puchkova etc.?
It's kind of sad, really, and shows that for the Russian players, apparently getting some extra money is more important than representing your country in the final of the Fed cup...
Something tells me that the male players regard the Davis cup higher than the women the Fed cup...
So sad for the Russians to make the finals and end up with this team. It would be really cool if Kleybanova wins her matches. Pretty sure the other Russians will be enjoying delicious Italian breadsticks....if they're lucky!
I feel bad for the Slovakian team. They probably would have lost to the Italians anyway, but at least they would have shown up and tried.
A bit shocked at the Russia squad for the Fed Cup final.
I think this is a not so subtle F-you to Russian tennis Federation for lack of support.
Kuznetsova said she is unlikey to play FC again.
Makarova said she was too injured to play singles.
Kiri/Pavs/Vesnina chasing personal goals.
Petrova, Kudraeteseva were not asked to play.
Sharapova injured and unlikely to play anyway.
Tarpischev needs to go imo.
Panova gave Vinci all she could handle. Close three setter that went 8-6 the final set.
Italy up 2-0.
I hope Russia puts in Kleybanova for singles. This isn't going to a deciding doubles anyway. I'll be keeping an eye on Panova to see if she's got potential.
Ivanovic was up 3-1 in the 3rd set, but Halep has won the last 4 games. Halep serving for the match 5-3.
Triple match pt.... and Halep moves to the final.
Pretty much the result I was expecting. Halep the in form player vs. Ivanovic, who has basically become a one set player. She always plays one good set per match: not enough against a confident player like Halep.
It's going to be interesting to see what Halep does in 2014. Now that she's seeded at slams, she should be able to try for some deep runs. She just wrecks more weak minded players, like today's Ana.
In particular I'd like to see some matches between her and the Serena/Vika/Maria axis, which she hasn't yet made any headway against (she does have a win against Radwanska, but Radwanska can't really beat those three either).
Stosur and Pavlyuchenkova looks like they'll exchange breadsticks. Pavs up 5-1 serving with 2 set pts.
Breadsticks indeed. On to the 3rd set.
I think Pav actually looks cuter with the shorter hair.
Maybe another breadstick? Stosur up 3-1.
I came back and Stosur takes it 6-1 1-6 6-3. So it's Stosur vs Halep for the Tournament of Champions title.
I'm tempted to add Barthel to the list. I don't think any of us have talked about her this year.
Nope, I haven't seen the name Mona Barthel.. :lol:
My grading the top 10 (based on their form going into the year):
Serena A+ (No explanation needed on a fantastic year.)
Azarenka B (Didn't see any improvement despite bulking up/muffin topping. Fewer retirements, at least. She at least will fight against Serena.)
Li B+ (Overall a good year. Ran out of steam at the AO and YEC finals, but she's going strong at 31.)
Sharapova B- (Solid for the most part until the injury. Get well soon.)
Radwanska C+ (Started off really good, but was flat for most of the year.)
Kvitova C (Another year of mixed results for the 3-set queen.)
Errani B (Many expected her to fall out of the top 10, but she held her ground. Still has no answer for the top 5 players though.)
Jankovic B+ (I wrote her off, but somehow she regained her love for the game.)
Kerber C (Just wasn't consistent. A drop off from 2012, but she still stayed in the top 10.)
Wozniacki C- (A lot of things going on both on and off the court. Like last year she fell out and got back in the top 10. Still a 5th straight top 10 year-end finish.)
Interesting grades. Obvioulsy, Serena is at the top of the class in every conceivable list. Regarding the rest...hmm....Azarenka earns a B- and won a major, but Li gets the B+? Li may be consistent for her age, but winning a major should switch the grades between the two--along with your point about putting up a fight agaisnt Serena..
The more I watch Stosur, the more I feel that she's a player using ATP tactics in the WTA tour. Looks great, well rounded player on both wings, very good serve technically speaking even if she can't flatten one and bleach the lines like stronger or taller players, good strategical brain (not talking about pressure of course). But it doesn't work well against much simpler, flatter and harder hitting opponents.
A bit of a broken record, but ATP and WTA tours are very different in tactics and strokes used. She feels a bit foreign when you watch your everyday WTA match and then watch her play. I don't want her to change her style because I find it's a real change and breath of fresh air compared to your common WTA player, but her current style doesn't work well on the WTA tour.
EDIT: In some way she indeed recalls me of a more baseline oriented Mauresmo.
Great result for Halep in Sofia:
Very close to #10.
Well, Vika got a B and Maria got the B-. With Azarenka, she was last year's YE #1. She repeated her results at the AO and USO, but she didn't progress much beyond that. Granted Serena won just about everything big excluding the AO and Wimbledon. Azarenka skipped out on Indian Wells and Miami and then ended the year on a very lousy note in Tokyo, Beijing, and Istanbul. She did well considering she was banged up for much of the year, so maybe she should get a B.
Li did better at the slams this year than last year. That and made the YEC final, which bested any of her prior results there. I'm not saying Li > Azarenka. Clearly that's not the case, but I graded based on their form going into 2013. So it's more comparing Li 2012 to Li 2013, Azarenka 2012 to 2013, etc.
Sorry, but Stosur has the least reliable backhand of anyone in the top 20. She might be better off just slicing her backhands ala Vinci. That backhand has fallen apart in so many big matches. Excellent kick serve, mouth-watering forehand, solid touch at the net, but her backhand and her mental lapses often do her in.
Maybe not in terms of tactics but many videos and analyses of her forehand has shown that she's one of the only WTA players with Mc Hale to use the modern forehand technique which is actually quite common in ATP tennis. Most of the girls use a very and totally outdated forehand style even Serena Williams and it's also one of the reasons they barely can generate any kind of real decent heavy top-spin... Stosur on the other hand can do exactly just that and that's why that shot is quite difficult to handle on the WTA regular tour. I think girls need to progress and coaches need to start teaching them the modern technique on that side.
And I agree with both of you. What I really wanted to say is that she plays with male tactics on the female tour, and that it doesn't work very well. Really have to treat both tours differently. I realize that given her foot speed that if she was your average WTA ballbasher and screamer she'd maybe have much more success. But I wouldn't enjoy watching her nearly as much. :|
EDIT: I already watched that now well known ATP vs WTA FH video. In fact, if you hang much around the Tips&Instruction forum, it's hard not to have seen it... :lol:
I think it doesn't work well because (as soyisgood mentioned), her backhand is too shaky to deliver reliable wins against the best opponents. Having to run around nearly every forehand is no way to go through one's tennis life at the elite WTA level.
And in general, her game is very "redlined." You would think that such a topspin-loving game would be more reliable than the super flat hitting of many WTA players, and yet it's hard to think of a player who shanks as many balls as Stosur. It's as if she barely has a handle on her own playstyle, and any shot can go awry with no warning.
To top it off, her return game is mediocre; in the recent match against Halep, she was only occasionally able to take advantage of a weak 2nd serve (one of Halep's 'weaknesses' is an indifferent serve). Therefore, she wasn't able to take aggressive control of Halep's service points. The points turned into long rallies, and in the long rallies Halep's superior reliability and point construction would usually win the day.
I like Stosur - she seems like a nice, down to earth woman, and I end up rooting for her in most matches (save those with my other faves). But I don't think we've yet seen what an ATP-style game can do in the hands of a truly competent and mentally tough woman.
That's true. And maybe it's not a surprise that two of the latest one-Slam winners who have a hard time maintaining a high level of play (Stosur and Kvitova) both possess aggressive, forceful games who remind me of (most of) the men's approach to the game.
And oddly, this aggression is very out of sync with their personalities. They're both pretty shy. I wonder if there's any meaning in that?
Good point. Perhaps it's the contrast between personality and style of play that makes their careers jerky and unusual. As if they take two steps forward and one backwards and then one forward and two backwards, and so on.
Just spot-checking this thread. I have to still say that the thread title sucks an empty can of balls. Soy -- soy is good. So is change. Your thread title sucks and needs change. You are discussing the womens' game in sincere detail. Your thread title needs major work.
Edited to fix a couple typos.
Again?! Out of all the misogynist crap that goes on in this forum, you want to pick on this thread a second time? Why don't you bump your counterthread? The thread title is completely appropriate for its purpose. It's not like it's called "WTA sucks." I'm happy to see someone sticking up for women, but you are just going to **** people off and no one will even listen when you complain about the really bad stuff because they will think you're a crackpot. Choose your battles wisely. Just my 2 cents....
And this thread is awesome.
I'd say fair grades all around, good assessment. This year I was surprised by Kerber and Aga's drop in level of play and that Errani stayed in the top 8. was especially surprised by Jankovic's year over year. Great way to reassert herself....I would almost bump her up to an A for giving us the on court drama in Charleston final vs SW ("how long do I have to wait?"). Fun to see a little attitude.
I actually wished him luck on that "What's RIGHT with HER thread" when it first came out. I'm all for WTA and women's tennis discussion threads, but not dogging a thread (and all because of the title?) while trying to prop up their own.
We just do things our own way. I started this thread, but it didn't establish an identity without the contributions (ideas, thoughts, opinions, observations, news postings, pictures, etc.) from everyone here.
This could be the first thread to make it through various tennis "eras". Let's just give it some more time, and we could be talking about a trans-generational thread.
The "Guys Only" thread will outlast us. Just a hunch. LOL
Hahaha. Well, in my defense, I was thinking of threads exclusively dedicated to the general interest of the board: tennis.
In any case, this site doesn't need a "What's Wrong With Him" thread . . . because almost every single thread about male tennis players turns into a "What's Wrong With Him" thread.
Whereas for women's tennis, there isn't enough combined interest here to have individual threads for all the players, so most of them have to have their "What's Wrong With Her" attributes folded into a single thread.
Speaking about Stosur... Remember she separated from David Taylor in late August? Maybe not; I didn't. She found a new coach. Miles Mclagan, who coached A. Murray from 2007 to 2010.
Funny you mention Kuznetsova. She's also among the players I like to watch play (minus the grunts) because of her playstyle; much like Stosur.
Pironkova is on the Left for Dead list. Not even in the top 100 now.
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