The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by soyizgood, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    JJ got #1 in August winning ONE tournament in the prior 12 months and no slam final appearances. Safina has won 4 tournaments (3 tier-1s), Olympic final, and 2 slam finals appearances in the last 12 months. Safina also had 12 or so victories over top 10 players in the last year.

    Safina is going to get bashed and has been a few times when she had chances to get #1. JJ got special bashing not just for being #1, but for being arguably the weakest year-end #1 ever. That was quite deserved as she only had one slam final and when you list the year-end #1's, her name sticks out like a sore thumb (i.e. Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles, Hingis, Davenport, Serena, Henin, Jankovic). JJ is only the 3rd woman to ever get #1 without winning a major first (though Clijsters and Mauresmo eventually won majors) and Safina will be the 4th.

    Now that clay season has begun, Safina has very little room to add points. She won Berlin and made the FO finals. I guess she could play Rome and advance further at Wimbledon (she's never been past the 3rd round there), but her Olympic points fall off this year and she has to defend Los Angeles, Montreal and Tokyo. How she lost to Tanasugarn at a grass tourney final boggles the mind. Basically, I don't see Safina holding #1 for long. Hope she proves me wrong, but given her shaky play in 2009 I'm not that optimistic.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2009
  2. gj011

    gj011 Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,548
    Location:
    Back from prison
    I don't think Jankovic bashing for the year end #1 was warranted. Yes she is the weakest year end #1 but you have to have a #1 at the end of each year and who was more deserving than her? No one. Serena played only 13 tournaments lost miserably in AO in RG, Sharapova was injured for half of the year, Ana was in a big slump, Venus didn't do anything before and after Wimbledon, while Jelena had as many titles as any other player and was the only player who made it to SFs or better on three GSs.

    So if you look at the other players and the year overall, she deserved that #1.
     
  3. McNasty911

    McNasty911 New User

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    Messages:
    45
    Kuznetsova is a great player always runs deep into the draw.

    But when it comes to a big match. Shes folds like a folder (lol idk)

    Thats annoys me tbh.
     
  4. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vaidisova at it again....losing, that is.
     
  5. Lionheart392

    Lionheart392 Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,336
    Location:
    England
    At least she's won a few matches recently... she is also back in the top 60! :p
     
  6. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Kuzy and Dina must have the same shrink. Both just shrivel up in big matches. Kuzy has the skills, but not the brain nor mental fortitude to be a champion. How Kuzy let Serena beat her at the AO just drove me nuts. Dinara was like an oak tree with poor movement and just too scared to do anything while her serve was just horrible.
     
  7. THUNDERVOLLEY

    THUNDERVOLLEY G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    10,762
    Why? After all, you said:

    ...and that is...that.

    "Kuzy" also moves like a small tank and seems to act comfortable just getting the ball back into play. Her fluke GS win is indicative of her generation. I see her retirement on the horizon.
     
  8. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    ^^^ Kuzy's problem is she can't keep the ball in play during extended rallies. She tries to kill the point at the first instance possible (kill or die at her own hand). The "Serena Effect" as I call it. Unfortunately, she's not as accurate as Serena under those circumstances. If anything, Kuzy would do better to be more patient as she can dictate the points off both wings. Point construction is not in her vocabulary. Neither is adjusting her game plan for that matter...
     
  9. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Nice to know someone from "tennis forum" saw this thread and created one of their own. :)
     
  10. FEDERER>buttpicker.

    FEDERER>buttpicker. New User

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    68
    the player who i am wondering about is Rafa nadal. what is wrong with her?
     
  11. marpiw

    marpiw Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2007
    Messages:
    545
    Final point to this thread...

    I want to give a final point to this thread stating that all what happens to the players is due to a faulty coaching,unproffessionally executed by people who dont know anything about the subject in which they are working at.People unprepared,no university degree,etc, etc.
    But the most disastrous coaching is when dads or moms are the coaches of their daughters or sons...I think that they should be fired from their supposed ''coaching'' and associations must require their players to have proffessional coaches with some degree somewhere...
    A good coaching is half the way up for success...
    FINAL POINT................................................
     
  12. Petra Martinnen

    Petra Martinnen Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    101
    Problem? What problem! This is called “parity.” You all know once the gals had 1 or 2 utterly dominant stars with weaker draws. Even Hingis was #1 for 208 weeks! Graf won 22 slams, Navtatilova basically didn’t lose for 7 years save to Chris on clay. Boring! I am coming to like this parity.

    Sure, today it is different, and thank God! This adds suspense! They can all play but not always win or stay sharp against quality. So there is nothing “wrong” with the players named, except for fading Vaidisova. They just face tough competition among equals.

    Even a Tiger Woods wins in 1 in 4 majors.

    Williams are the class of the WTA but older and not usually 100% or focused. With their talent Navratilova, rarely injured, would have had 40 slams! And Graf if healthy after 1996 would have won 30! This is better.
     
  13. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Added Cornet to our distinguished list.
     

  14. Well, she's only 19, so there's nothing wrong with her (yet).


    I know that she lost 6-0 6-3 to some completely random player, but hey......everyone has bad days, right? :eek:
     
  15. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    She's 10-9 this year. For someone that 2 months ago rose to #11, that's not necessarily making her mark. She gets bageled quite a bit like Radwanska, it seems. She's shown some moments of brilliance, but she's been like Kirilenko this year if you throw out her AO run.
     
  16. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Cornet's game is still in the developmental stages and I don't think she's ready for the top 10. She isn't like Kuznetsova who plays well until she makes finals or plays a Williams sister. I don't think she is as bad as the others on this list, least not yet. If she does miserably on clay this year than maybe she gets put on, but for now lets see if its just been bad luck or a temporary slump like many players have, or if it becomes chronic like Kuznetsova's problems seem to be.
     
  17. roysid

    roysid Professional

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2006
    Messages:
    1,414
    They are all nutcases. The problem is they are getting paid equal to men. They should be paid 1/4th of men (based on their quality). This would make them play and act better hopefully.

    Oh I miss the Chris,Martina,Steffi,Monica days.

    P.S: I was stunned to see a full house to see a dud final between Serena and Safina. If you want to waste money, donate it to the poor instead.
     
  18. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    A note on Safina. Maybe I am being a little neurotic or expecting to much, but part of me hopes her getting number 1 will motivate her. Part of her poor results especially lately are in my opinion fear of the top spot and not being able to live up to it. Now that she has it she is over the hurdle of reaching it and I hope will calm down a bit and get back to what she was doing last summer during the US Open series. Granted, she is getting number 1 because of some weird new change in the points with Charleston and Marabella, but she is getting it and maybe it will help her get over her demons. OR it could just send her spiraling further down due to the pressure of maintaining the rank and the fact a ton of people point out she is getting it on a technicality. That being said, she won't have it long, I doubt she defends her Berlin and French Open points, and then all her points leading up to the US Open. She has little room for improvement so I doubt the ranking will last.
     
  19. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Trends among the WW girls:
    Kuznetsova - same
    Safina - hard to say, but not good since AO though clay season is here
    Ivanovic - same (up and down)
    Chakvetadze - down
    Hantuchova - down
    Kirilenko - down
    Vaidisova - same
    Mirza - same
    Mauresmo - same (clay's not her best surface so don't expect much from her)
    Peer - same
    Radwanska - down
    Dementieva - might be headed up as she does well on clay
    Petrova - put a SELL rating on her stock ASAP
    Sharapova - don't see her playing again until grass season
    Jankovic - up
    Bartoli - same
    Cornet - down (maybe a slump?)
     
  20. jmjmkim

    jmjmkim Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2009
    Messages:
    609
    Location:
    Cerritos, CA
    Interesting, . . .
     
  21. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Kuzy made somewhat of a statement this past week. IF she can continue playing at that level she displayed at Stuttgart, there may be hope for her. I'll think of a notation for her.
     
  22. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Kuzzy played the best Tennis I have seen from her in a while, and kudos to Safina, she seemed to be a lot better this past week in Stuttgart also.
     
  23. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    ^^ Seriously I was really impressed by Kuzy. I don't think I have ever seen her whole game running on all cylinders like it was against Dulko, Dementieva, and Safina. It wouldn't have mattered who played her with that kind of performance.

    Safina really has nothing to be ashamed of, though she was rather defensive and picked the wrong times to attack. Then again, Kuzy dictated pace and constructed points to where Safina really had no chance. Safina still has Rome and RG to make a statement.
     
  24. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Yeah exactly. Kuznetsova was in control of all her matches from the quarters on. That is the type of talent she has been capable of all along. She kept her head together in all of those matches and it showed in the results, now she needs to transpose that to big time grand slam matches, because if she can do that she can win more slams, she is only 23 so she still has time to win more.

    Safina has nothing to be ashamed of. Pennetta was playing phenominal tennis in the Semi's and Safina played perfect to get back in, yeah she made some bad defensive choices against Kuznetsova, but Safina played the game that has gotten her past Kuznetsova in the past, the play defense and let her self destruct game. Problem was Svetlana was dialed in and didn't lose her focus, but Safina didn't make the adjustment and get aggressive like she probably should have. But still a final here from the new # 1 is a good showing, hopefully she can continue on this renewed form and learn from the loss.
     
  25. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Safina is still a headcase and relies on her coach too much, but she fights to the end when playing on clay. Occasionally she can play smart. Depending on the draw, Kuzy should make some noise at RG since she's probably the 2nd best clay court player this year.
     
  26. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'm thinking of tossing Makarova in on the list. Two straight tournaments she reached the final and both times she got obliterated...ugh!
     
  27. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Looks like Serena should be up for consideration. Yeah, she's injured, but possibly her ego is more damaged than her knee. She's basically declaring war on the WTA (withdraws, protests and tanking), thinks she's the real #1 (when do #1's lose 4 matches in a row and get breadsticked in 5 of her 6 losses). Diva full of drama.... UGH!
     
  28. gj011

    gj011 Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,548
    Location:
    Back from prison
    I agree. Serena should be added to the list. She is 0-3 on clay so far after getting destroyed by Azarenka in Miami final.

    "The real #1" :roll:. Yeah right.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2009
  29. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    ^^^ Adding Serena in.
     
  30. gj011

    gj011 Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,548
    Location:
    Back from prison
    You should add that she is in 4 match losing streak.
     
  31. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    ^^^ No need to get the Serena fans all riled up. They're eating enough crow as it is. :) For all the talk about Safina being a weak #1, Serena has not won anything since she became #1 after the Australian. Note to Serena, even if you won all 4 majors that wouldn't be enough to be #1 as you actually have to play some WTA events too.... That's so unfair and cruel to Serena....LOL She's a great player, but it's hard for me to respect her as an ambassador of the sport.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2009
  32. dataseviltwin

    dataseviltwin Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    203
    Location:
    Assimilated
    Matteck

    What happened there? New hubbie must be checking her outfits before she leaves the hotel... :twisted: Sweetie, no. put another shirt on underneath that...
     
  33. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Dementieva gave Mauresmo a bagel in Paris and lost that match. Then they played again and Dementieva fed her a breadstick.... and lost yet again. :confused: Momo either enjoys taking a set off or Dementieva is making a case to be the supreme headcase...eek
     
  34. West Coast Ace

    West Coast Ace G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    13,747
    Location:
    So Cal
    I respect her. But agree with your statements. The wrist thing is just outrageously mindless. "Oh, my body is telling me something. But I'll just keep doing this until it completely locks up! Time to go shopping for shoes."

    Dude, don't bet any cash on that. Given her current form (play and girth) she'll have to consider it a success if she makes it to the 16's...

    Amen.

    And still may win RG. Given the state of the WTA tour she might be a good bet.

    ED won the Olympic Gold - then went right back to her crazy ways. Sad. I'd love to see her win a major - but doesn't look good.
     
  35. West Coast Ace

    West Coast Ace G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    13,747
    Location:
    So Cal
    Dokic, anyone?
     
  36. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    ^^^ Dokic is a mess. I was glad she did so well at the AO even though I'm no fan of hers. Then reality hits her in the face (i.e. her game needs some fine-tuning) and what does she do next? Throws a self-pity, "woe is me" fit and wants the whole world to feel her pain and suffering. Proclaimed herself to have suffered the most of any of the players on tour (as if Venus/Serena losing their sister, Pierce living in her family's beat-up car and dealing with her crazy dad, Agassi with a crazy tennis dad, Sharapova crying herself to sleep at night while she couldn't see her mom for 2 years, pressure on Marat and Dinara to succeed to pay off their mom's debts, etc. was easy).
     
  37. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Hantuchova can't even beat a sub-200 ranked player in an weak event. Breadsticked to go with it....eek! :shock:
     
  38. dgrave2

    dgrave2 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2007
    Messages:
    424
    I'd just like to say I'm really disappointed in Agnes Szavay.. She comes out of nowhere in 2007 to make it to the New Haven Final where she had to retire up a set against Kuznetsova. She makes a run to the QF of the US Open, and right after that defeats Jankovic in the final of Beijing. After that, In 2008, her best result was getting to the finals in Paris (l. to Chakvetadze) and then proceeded to lose a LOT of first or second round matches. So far in 2009, more 1st round losses but her only real highlight is making the QFs in Madrid last week.. she has a beautiful backhand but her game has crashed.
     
  39. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Probably should add Bondarenko to the list (was easily the favorite yet lost, eating a BAGEL). She also lost to Dulgheru. The Warsaw event has to feel embarrassed. Wozniaki, Lisicki, and Radwanska pulled out at last minute. Top seeds got knocked out early. Hantuchova AND Bondarenko lose to a qualifier ranked below 200, resulting in the lowest ranked player to ever win a Tier-II. Certainly not a Premier level event.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2009
  40. Dutch-Guy

    Dutch-Guy Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,048
    Location:
    Amsterdam,The Netherlands
    She should def. be added to the list.She was leading 4-2 in the first set and had 2-0 mini break in the tiebreak but lost.Again was leading 4-0 in the second set before the rain delayed...
     
  41. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Mathilde Johansson gets special mention for blowing 8 match points today, 4 via double faulting. Grabbing defeat from the clutches of victory. :(
     
  42. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    At least Zheng fights to the end, unlike most of the girls on the list. No shame in being a female Michael Chang. ;)
     
  43. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Bump. Safina is a complete headcase and her coach only makes it worse.
     
  44. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Reviving. I'll update the list later. Though I'm considering adding in Sharapova.
     
  45. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Don't add her based on recent results. She has been back just over a month after an almost year away. She hasn't done terrible...2 quarters on clay...yeah she got help at the french from gagging opponents but I doubt she has fully found her groove yet. Give her some time. also....maybe cut kuzzy a little slack now that she has won another slam and shook off the Serena issue...at least for now anyway.
     
  46. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vaidisova is crazy. Can't get out of qualifying and when she does she looks lifeless and lacks movement/accuracy/strategy/placement against fellow ball bashers. Lost to Stacey Tan? Now down to #140.
     
  47. Lionheart392

    Lionheart392 Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,336
    Location:
    England
    Right now Billie Jean King has more chance than Vaidisova of getting back into the top 10.
     
  48. boredone3456

    boredone3456 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,107
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    LOL one of the best posts of this thread so far. Vaidisova is a mess, her serve stinks lately...she seems to be unable to hit a decent backhand anymore...the rate she is going I'll see Larcher De Brito in the top 10 before she ever gets back there.
     
  49. vbranis

    vbranis Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,136
    Location:
    Palm Springs, CA
    Karatancheva should also be added to that list. I think she's ranked like 200 now, she should really be higher, especially considering the overall weakness of the WTA right now.

    She's still young, plus she had that suspension a couple of years ago which messed up her ranking, so I wouldn't write her off just yet.
     
  50. soyizgood

    soyizgood G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2006
    Messages:
    11,323
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    • Petrova's freefall in the rankings finally begins. Last year #1 was tossed around like crazy, now it's #10 that will flip around a bit.
    • Bartoli, coming off her biggest title win, lost against Clijsters who came back from a long absence.
    • Safina almost lost to someone that only slices her backhand.
    • Zvonareva's still recovering from that ankle injury, but seems to be dragged into 3 setters by anybody (Jankovic syndrome).
    • Dulko is as erratic as ever.
    • Kanepi has now lost 8 straight matches.... :shock:
    • Stosur is now 0-5 in finals.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2009

Share This Page