Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by soyizgood, Feb 2, 2009.
Is she on or off the list now?
She got a temporary reprieve. She is banged up a bit. IMO she's still on the list, though Safina is arguably the queen of the headcases. Safina's letdowns benefited Dementieva, Ivanovic, and Kuznetsova as if she was Santa Claus...
Schnyder is an infuriating player to watch.. so much talent, but no mental power to go with it.
Enter Kim Clijsters!!
Kim Clijsters is not the WTA savior, I'm sorry. I respect her comeback efforts and wish her the best, but there's no way that she's gonna come in and dominate the game, let alone overtake the stranglehold the WS currently have on the game. Maybe a young up and comer, Oudin shows promise, Larcher De Brito as well, hopefully these players step it up over the next yr or so in big time events.
Kuzzy is firmly back on the list. A current slam champ "should" beat a former slam champ that's been out for 27 months and had a child to go with it. But she's the Kuzzy we all know (and sometimes love).
Serena is bordering on going back to this list. Seriously, outside of the slams she is no better than Bondarenko (Serena is 14-8 vs Bondarenko's 14-9 in non-slams this year). Venus' brainless play has been getting exposed during summer hardcourt season.
Dementieva's serve is getting iffy once again.
You can't talk in my name. I like her fist pump.
ur all evil...i love it...
I heard Patty Schnyder is retiring this year (not sure if it's true), and I read on her website that Mauresmo is flirting with the idea.... I still like Sveta K.:neutral:
oh no! they can't retire, they are both the most unique players on tour.... a tricky player and arguably the most veratile player is Maresmo.... I don't care abot Sveta...she kinda looks like a witch, but i don't like her game and the way she breaks down in finals, same with dinara.FRENCH OPEN
Jankovic had triple match point against Dementieva yet against all odds Dementieva won 5 straight points to break her.... :shock:
Dementieva had 4 match points in the tie-breaker (up 6-2), but lost the last 6 points. DOH!
.......and Dementieva loses the match 8-6 in the third set tiebreaker after being up 6-2.
Jankovic did have 3 match points serving at 5-4 in the 3rd set though...
Dippy you are such a beautiful person so why do you have that hideous avatar? :cry:
I will have to adjust my comments on both Jankovic and Dementieva. I'm just fuming mad at Dementieva right now...
It's a tribute to maximo.
I think you are beautiful, too.
Would you mind if I use your avatar so we could have the same avatar? Please?
Like I said though in their last match Dementieva bageled Jankovic in the first set and then lost the next two sets 1 and 0. Jankovic did raise her game after the bagel but even so. She has a mental thing about Jankovic I think.
Go for it.
Are you a video gamer? It's a creature from the Dragon Quest series called a Slime... although looks like a raindrop too
Dementieva is officially JJ's lapdog. 7-3 H2H for JJ now. JJ even embarrassed Dementieva in Moscow.
Well now I'm going to bed coz it's 3am here, but just had to see the result of that little chokefest. Night Dippy and all others
I updated my comments on Jankovic and Dementieva. I'm glad I ate during the match. Otherwise I would have lost my appetite from the choking that went on. Safina, please don't choke on Sunday as JJ will find a way to give you the match.
Go Safina!!! Upsss...
As for Safina, on one hand you could get on her case for playing bad against someone she should have beat today. As much as I hate to say this, credit goes to Jankovic for making a speedy recovery from her previous match and for well execution of her style of play.
Safina has been in 8 finals this year, but is 3-5 in them. However, Safina had won her last 5 tier-1 finals that she made until today. Overall she's 5-3 in tier-1 finals. Also, there's no shame losing to the new #4 in the world.
Safina needs to ditch the ionosphere toss on her 2nd serve. That requires too much time to concentrate and too many pieces have to come together to make it work. Yes, she might need a higher toss than someone like Venus because of her physique. But, at some point she needs to realize that her serve has cost her in every slam and Olympic final she's played.
Another thing. What is up with Safina hitting the ball to the middle of the court so much? Yes, she is good at hitting them deep but against those that can hit effectively to the corners off both wings (i.e. Serena, Venus, Jankovic, Dementieva, Kuznetsova) this is suicide. She either goes into ball-bash or pusher mode and stays in one mode until her coach comes along to wake her up.
I say this as a Safina fan. A frustrated one at that. Her best chances to win a slam are on the slower slams (AO, RG). Her brain and her serve get in the way though...
She put on 15 pounds of muscle, looking for more power.
When she got back to tournament play, she felt slow and stiff. She faded out of the top group. She was distracted when her mother, Snezana, became ill and needed surgery
Her mother used to accompany her on the tour, but is back home in Serbia recovering from the operation. "I dedicate this win to her,"
I think it is time to throw in the towel on Safina, mate.
There is so much there not to like. The serve, as you note. It is bad enough that it is so erratic (even I don't doublefault that much!). It is not especially effective either.
Then there is the movement. She is really slow compared to other top players, so you can get cheap points if you get her moving. She doesn't move forward well either, and she doesn't seem to like the net.
She is not much of a shot-maker. She has inexplicable misses on rally balls when she can ill afford them, and she seems like the WTA player who is least likely to make you pay for a weak shot. You can practically read her mind: "OK, I've pushed the last three service returns. This time I am going to take a big cut at this second serve and go down the line and -- *DOH!*"
The mental issues she has are really something. She can't seem to blow her own nose unless her coach holds the tissue. She doesn't believe in herself. I think her coach should stop coming to her matches and should watch from the locker room.
I would like to see her win a major, but I can't imagine how this could possibly happen. I find it hard to watch someone struggle so much, again and again.
I just noticed the changes to your OP Soy, and I gotta put my two cents in about bondarenko. Your making a big deal of her losing to Cibulkova at the French, well i gotta say I don't think thats really fair since Cibulkova was seeded and ended up making the Semi-Finals...she may only be 5'3" but at the time she had been playing far better tennis and, if you remember in Australia...she served up 3 straight bagels to her opponents...its not like she lost to a 5'3" version of Nicole Vaidisova as of late.
Speaking of Cibulkova, she should be added to the list.
3 straight 1st round losses. Losing to Stosur is nothing terrible, but then the much lower ranked U.Radwanska and Shuai Peng in LA and Cincy. And she has finalists pts to defend in Canada. She may be taking a tumble down the rankings before the USO gets here.
Also add Azarenka, who hasn't done as well this summer as she did during the Spring Hardcourt season as of yet. Yet to back up the hype that came along w/ her win in Miami over an injured Serena in the finals.
And Pennetta should be off the list now.
I agree, esp with Penetta, I've liked her game ever since she beat Venus @ the french last year. When she is on she is great.
She reminds me of Jankovic, execpt the movement isn't as great but she is a bit more aggressive than JJ.
Cibulkova is a candidate for this list, but then again her height is always going to be a problem. She has a knack for retiring from matches though.
Azarenka hasn't won much since Miami, though she still leads the tour with 3 titles. She also made her career best advancement at slams with QF at the French and Wimbledon, arguably her two weakest surfaces. Her summer hardcourt has been somewhat disappointing. Then again, she has not played that many events this year yet is in the top 8 for the YEC. So I'll hold off on including her until after the USO.
Pennetta is off the list for now. Before her 15 win streak, she was a pedestrian 27-16. She still eats bread (3 bagels, 5 breadsticks) though.
Glad to see Jankovic break through and win yesterday. At least one of the Serbian sensations is making a comeback.
Ivanovic is very hard to watch now. She catches just about every other serve toss. She can make an error at any moment on any type of shot.
I'm starting to lose patience with Djokovic too. Maybe the Serbain revolution is going to be short-lived.
I was thinking 2009 was going to be the 2nd coming of the Russian Revolution or a new (Bela)Russian Revolution, but it's going downhill bit by bit. If it's led by Safina/Dementieva/Kuznetsova then it's best advised to not have any expectations because you'll be pulling your hair and teeth otherwise.
Zvonarva was playing great tennis the end of 08 and coming into 09, it was too bad she got injured, she was top 5 before it came and IMO she would still be top 5, maybe even top 3 by now. She really was playing some solid tennis
Added Kanepi and Kleybanova
Venus lost to Katerina Bondarenko??? 1-6 7-5 6-4. Venus is definitely overrated, yet people keep bringing up her success at Wimbledon. She hasn't made a slam final outside of Wimbledon since 2003, I think.
She did win the YEC at Doha last year which is a pretty big tournament
Nowhere near as big as the slams though.
I know but I think its a bit premature to put her on the list just yet, after the open we'll get a better indication of where shes at.
That was an impressive win for Venus. She at least tries harder than Serena in non-slams. But she's also the one more likely to lose to low-ranked players in bigger events, just like today.
SernA- Is glad that Henin has retired
Safina just lost to Rezai?!?! Being a Safina fan is just too torturous for me now. 17 double faults. Even her coach walked out on her.
Its uncomfortable viewing I agree. She is very brittle.
I looked at the double fault and aces total for 2009. Safina is #2 on the tour in double faults. Only Dementieva has more and only slightly at that. Safina I believe has 310 double faults this year.. As bad as that statistic is, here's another that makes me puke.
Safina is #10 in aces with 133 aces. Horrible ratio of aces to double faults. Even then, Wozniacki has more aces than her. :shock: Safina basically only gets about 2 aces/match with that awkward toss and motion. At the same time, this has also resulted in 17 DF in the Olympic final and 17 DF today against a player she beat 6-0 6-0 at the French.
Azarenka and Cibulkova are definitely on the list. Azarenka became yet another victim of Clijsters (shows how weak the elite WTA players are). Cibulkova lost to a struggling Kleybanova.
You might want to add Bammer and to an extinct Sharapova.
That second set was horrible beyond belief. Sharapova played like crap and Bammer couldn't even steal a set from her after she commits like what 50 errors???
It makes me wonder how Bammer managed to beat Serena Williams in Cincinnati?
Man what is going with the WTA lately?
Matches like these makes me think I could stand a chance vs anyone in the WTA.
I watched the match live today and Safina has zero confidence on the serve .. and I'm not really sure why. At one point she resorted to spinning her serves in the box but she still couldn't get them in - I don't get it. Sharapova hit as many double faults in her match against Bammer, but I think that's more to do with her recovering from shoulder surgery and having some rust.
On a side note I also saw Azarenka/Clijsters and they both played quite well. Clijsters was showing awesome defense off Azarenka's big shots. Kim looked the best out of all the girls I saw today and I'd say she's a contender for the US Open.
I'm declaring Vaidisova a total washout now. How she lost to some complete no-namer, got aced 18 times to go with it, in RD1 USO qualifying is just grounds for R.I.P.
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