The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. boredone3456

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    I think she hit more winners in that match then she did in the entire Australian Open, assuming of course that's right, Woz in 19 matches out of 20 seems to struggle to get into the double digit category in winners and yet all of a sudden she can hit over 30? Especially against Pennetta who while not the worlds most consistent player herself is a pretty good defender? I dunno I don't see why the numbers would be wrong but it makes little sense that she can pull this out all of a sudden hahah.
     
  2. PSNELKE

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    Yeah watch the match and I doubt she hit that much winners.
     
  3. jones101

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    5 were aces, but I still find it hard to believe that she hit 30 winners in a 2 set match that lasted 82 mins. Pennetta, as you said, is a very good defender.

    She has been more aggressive as of late however, and its nice to see. Her improvement since Wimbledon has been great.
     
  4. JayChu

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    Some of it has to be service winners
     
  5. boredone3456

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    I'm not complaining really, its just strange. I'm glad she has tried to get more aggressive, purely defending all the time isn't going to be enough to get a major title. I just think its weird that she hit 35 winners and only 7 UE's, when in the past even as recent as the Australian Open, most times when she tried to get aggressive, she became a UE machine. If she has finally discovered how to correct that problem, good for her. But before I really start jumping for joy over this she needs to do it for more then just this match. I mean, its nice she did hit more then like, 6 winners, but as it was a QF against Pennetta..its not earth shattering, nice to see, but not earth shattering.
     
  6. boredone3456

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    Even if they were thats a little shocking, Caro is not exactly a dominator with her serve either. Its solid, but not exactly a serve one would expect to produce big numbers with. However she landed 80% of her 1st serves, which must have rattled the heck outta Pennetta, and so it might well have been service winners. Still, I mean, coming from Caro...numbers like that, while impressive, are not the norm.
     
  7. JayChu

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    True, but Pennetta did roll her ankle last week in Dubai and pulled out of Doubles as a result. So, maybe this MAY have affected her (highly doubt it though if she could win her first 2 matches in Doha.)
     
  8. Wozupniacki

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    I can confirm the stats to the sceptics; Caro did indeed hit a sh*tload of winners today! She started out slowly with just 2 winners the first 3 games but then hitting 6 ws in the long 4th game and no looking back after that. The number of times she hit FHDTL ws were shocking in itself!
    I honestly think Caro's unusual play+stats are connected with her having a fever the last couple of days. She literally played in an inspired fever! It'll be interesting to see how she's gonna play when her health gets back to normal!?
     
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    7 UNFORCED ERRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woz, i am ashamed of you....
     
  10. dxc

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    From what I have seen, Wozniacki is hitting her forehand flatter and deeper. Not those looping topspins that lands midcourt. She is still not hitting powerful forehands like Serena, Clijsters or Sharapova, but they are just more penetrating now. Certainly something she has worked a lot on in training. In Dubai her forehand looked improved as well.

    Her backhand has always been hit pretty flat so she has always been able to hit winners from that side.

    I don't understand all the hate in here for Wozzy. She is young and likeable. Has a good mind and is working hard to improve her weaknesses and even if already number 1 in the ranking, she can only get better in the future. In a couple of seasons I predict that she will be pretty dominant on the WTA.
     
  11. 1970CRBase

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    I'm just as perplexed. Nice to see her playing like this all of a change but suddenly she is going for winners right and left?? And this due to her brand new racquet?

    :confused:
     
  12. Zildite

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    By my count she hit 85 winners in 6 matches in Australia, so it isn't close really.
    Still a lot in one match for her though :)
     
  13. boredone3456

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    HAHAHAHA I was joking, I just find it surprising that not only she hits so many winners but she did it without hitting a ton of errors, usually her attmepting to be aggressive hasn't worked well for her. Its nice to see her finally have a modicum of success at trying to find some balance
     
  14. jerriy

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    Boo hoo it's a conspiracy LMAO... You obviously have not seen one second of this match.

    Anyway even if you haven't seen it, since when is the last match one has played against one opponent determinative of all the stats of future matches that player is gonna play with another opponent? :rolleyes:
     
  15. soyizgood

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    Bartoli playing like garbage today... Her strategy today is just hit hard and harder. UEs all match.
    Woz wins 6-1 6-1.
     
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  16. bezs

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    Bartoli's game is so ugh..... wished she would have just lost to Peer
     
  17. soyizgood

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    Jankovic playing like trash as well. Vera up 5-1.
    Vera takes the 1st 6-1.
     
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    I said I hadn't, if I had I wouldn't be as surprised at the numbers. Is the Boohoo really necessary? we can discuss this like mature people.

    Yes the stats in recent matches are important for future matches, if in many of your matches historically you are struggling to hit double digit winners, as Caro does, usually when that person steps on court its very likely that pattern is going to continue because it has become a norm for that player. These stats have broken her norm, and showed some kind of progress, progress one would hope will continue to be reflected in future matches. If one player in their previous match struggled to land even half of their first serves, thats going to be something everyone is going to be talking about in their next match, can they improve that number, they'll need to, so on, so forth.

    No one match worth of numbers is not indicative of the entire future, but one would hope that whatever she did that was different in this match will be a stepping stone for her future. Its a pleasant surprise, and stats in matches at least in a tournament are often used as indicators for how they will do as a tournament moves on. No this match does not mean anything really in how she will do at the French Open, but in the short term it may well be an indicator of continued improvement.
     
  19. soyizgood

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    JJ does a silly split well after the point ended....LOL She was nowhere near getting to the ball.

    Stupid ump Kader denied Vera a pt. JJ stopped playing for the ball that got called out, but was actually in. Vera could have won the game, but instead JJ holds.

    JJ takes the 2nd set. Going to a 3rd. Aggressive JJ > aggressive Woz. Vera needs to pick on JJ's forehand because JJ's backhand is on fire.

    OUCH. JJ took a tumble. Trainer coming out... JJ opts not to have trainer look at it. :rolleyes: Vera breaks for 1-0.

    Vera being a headcase. Down 3 BP 4-4. 2 BP... 1 BP... DEUCE (3 clutch serves by Vera)... Ad Vera....ACE to lead 5-4. On serve.

    Vera to the final 6-1 2-6 6-4. The 3rd set had the kind of fight we expected for the whole match.
     
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    I watched the hole Wozniack vs Pennetta match and I was really surprised. I had never seen Wozniack play so aggressive before. I think the winners are probably right. There was a time in the match she started hitting one winner after the other, was really impressive. Even Pennetta looked kinda of surprised.
     
  21. pepka

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    True that. She had like 6-8 winners from returns, Caro just killed Penetta's second serve.
     
  22. soyizgood

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    Didn't realize that Zvonareva's beaten JJ 5 times in a row. Schiavone is still Vera's biggest lapdog... 0-10.
     
  23. hugobosstachini

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    This was just Pennetta... a player she owned 4-0 it's really tiring when people tend to make plenty out of very little...

    The day I'll see Wozniacki make Serena or Kim Clijsters eat 35 winners for only 7 UEs then I'll eat crow...

    And nobody with a rightfull mind believes Wozniacki will blow past by 35-7 against a caliber player like Kim... On the other hand the schooling from and by Kvitova in the final of Open GDF Suez... that was truly very impressive.
     
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  24. bezs

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    What happened to Kvitova i read that she was supposed to play in Doha, even after her loss in Dubai and saying she was tired its more than enough time to recover for Doha.
     
  25. soyizgood

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    Vera d Caro 6-4 6-4. Vera's 1st title in over a year and only her 2nd Premier+ level title ever (2 for 12 in those finals). GG.

    Caro's had a pretty run the past couple of weeks to justify her #1 spot.
     
  26. hugobosstachini

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    Zvo outclassed the pusher in both defense and offense...

    This isn't surprising Caro is just clueless in front of players who are able to move the ball around the court cleanly and contain her defenses in a minimum of UEs. Clean job by Zvo.

    Petra's next stop is IW... I hope she's keept the rhythm I'm waiting for her performances in either IW or Miami why not in both.
     
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    Congratulations Vera Z. Carolina's cute but I'm still not sold on her as a player. :(
     
  28. dxc

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    Did you watch the whole game?
     
  29. hugobosstachini

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    Yes... Vera's legs were on fire that in some exchanges Caro just didn't know where to put the ball... she made some ridiculous defenses, counter-punched when needed to, played smart by incorporating droppers or by coming at the net, she knew when to play offense and when she did so was quite successfull...

    Yes this is a brilliant performance from her.
     
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  30. bezs

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    Schiavone top seed in the Malaysian lost in the first round to Dokic, apparently she had some ankle injury in the third set.
     
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    Rezai loses 6-2 6-1 to Kudrayetseva in Monterrey. Talk about falling off of a cliff.
     
  32. bezs

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    Safina finally got her first win of the season in Malaysia
     
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    Rezai deserves to fall the f***ing cliff and buries herself six feet under with her BS game. She's the dumbest ball basher of them all with no point construction. It's all about hitting as hard as humanly possible no matter where she's positionned. On top of that, her attitude is complete crap. Good riddance. I hope she vanishes from tennis forever.
     
  34. jones101

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    Safina reaches the doubles final in KL. This, along with winning her first singles match this week since September, hopefully gives her a confidence boost. Her loss to Safarova, is not actually a bad loss (dangerous player and it went 3 sets), so this should give her a much needed mental boost.
     
  35. soyizgood

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    Dokic into the finals at Malaysia? I didn't see that one coming. :shock:
     
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    Congrats to WWWH HOFer Dokic for winning Malaysia.
     
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    Her first title in NINE years. :shock: Oh and Safina won the doubles title with Voskoboeva.
     
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    Pavlyuchenkova becoming a MM Queen. 3rd title in the past year.
     
  39. hugobosstachini

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    I'm so freaking happy Nastya beat Jelena... she has so much potential and I really believe in her as the next big thing... she just needs a better mental game and getting these kinds of events are a start...

    3 youngsters has seemingly upped themselves a bit : Petra, Nastya and Andrea... hopefully this continues.
     
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  40. soyizgood

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    Minor edits to the 1st post.
     
  41. bezs

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    Is Kvitova possibly seeking membership?
     
  42. soyizgood

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    Bzs is a tough out for Petra. Their Paris match was very close.
     
  43. hugobosstachini

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    ^ Yes... Strycova ain't easy, Petra was coming from sickness and had little rhythm especially on serve... I think also IW surface is a nightmare for her game... better luck in Miami...
     
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    Safina beats Hantuckova 7/6 6/4.

    GIGANTIC win for her.
     
  45. bezs

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    Li Na ding ding ding
     
  46. soyizgood

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    What happened with Chak today? She was up in the 2nd set and retired?

    Li is not returning to the list (not right away that is), even if she lost to a weaker player today. She is pushing it though being 0-3 since the AO final.
     
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  47. boredone3456

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    She needed that win, granted Dani isn't always the most impressive but she is a title winner and Safina played pretty well. I hope she can keep building up the momentum.
     
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    Oh Kuzzy... I'm too tired to say anything else. *&^!&ing headcase
     
  49. hugobosstachini

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    Kuzzie lol she has never been a relevant top player... people expect too much of her...
     
  50. soyizgood

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    ^^^ Kuzzy frustrates me the most and I'm not even a true fan of hers. 4 years in a row she lost her opening match at IW after being the runner-up there in 2007? She only does her best when nobody expects her to perform.

    Vera lost to a shorter clone of hers in Cibulkova. These Russians are an odd group of headcases.
     

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