The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. jamesblakefan#1

    jamesblakefan#1 G.O.A.T.

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    Yeah, she's dunzo, it looks like. Sad really...

    Maybe should add Wozniacki to the list, depending on how she does to the Open...sure she's had a good season, but not a good summer HC season, and still yet to make a slam QF. She's on standby now in my book.
     
  2. soyizgood

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    Wozniacki is off the radar for now, though she has the makings of being the Davydenko of the WTA. Play all the small events, beat up the scrubs, find a way to lose in the final/semifinal. Then play the majors where she'll cruise to round 4 and become a lapdog for the high seed that faces her. Okay she's only 19, #9, and logically would lose more often against other top 10 players. But, I don't see slam champion material out of her. She's getting bossed around by Azarenka (an enhanced Woz) and Lisicki (brainless ball-basher) lately while blown off the court by Safina and Serena.

    Next year will be her true test because the WTA limits the year-end top 10 players to only 2 Mickey Mouse, I mean International, events a year. Radwanska's rank dropped as a result and she plays a similar game as Wozniacki.
     
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    For god's sake Vaidisova is nothing but a utter joke now.

    You'd figure she'd wake the f*** up after her breakup with Stepanek but she can't even qualify for the US Open.

    Absolutely pathetic on her behalf. Stick a fork in her career. She's done. Useless has been (or never was).
     
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    Decent player. Fedora. Ridiculous make-up. Please look at me, please please please?!
     
  5. soyizgood

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    Are you sure she broke up with him? I read somewhere recently they got engaged. In any case, she's a lost cause. From clips of her recent matches I saw she makes Bartoli look like Nadal. **** poor movement, wails lazily at her groundies into the net, lets casual balls pass her for winners, and if she's down early she just mails it in so she can get off the court ASAP. She's the stereotype of the modern day woman's player and not in a good way. She acts like she doesn't want to play anymore, so with her rank dropping to around 180 she can take a long vacation for all I care.
     
  6. Tanya

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    What Vaidisova needs is a long vacation. In my opinion she should take 2010 off as it is clear her brain is fried. Hopefully she'll be able to somewhat turn her career around, at least to a point where she can qualify for grandslam events and get back into the top 100. Such a shame to see so much talent wasted.
     
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    When you think about it though, she's been competing as a pro since age 14. That's a lot of time to spend out on tour w/o really having much of an adolescence or teenage years. Some can deal w/ it, but others cannot. She's obviously burned out, and I can't say I blame her, having so much pressure on her from a young age and having the stigma of being the next Bolletieri-bred, Sharapova-esque clone basically since 2005 on.

    Sometimes life is more important than tennis, and if that's the case for her, there's no reason she should continue to go out there and embarass herself like this.
     
  8. Tanya

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    True, however despite the unhappiness she expresses on the court these days I doubt she would continue to play (considering her abysmal results) if she didn't love the game... Maybe tennis is her life; which is why she needs to take time off before she sinks so deep that she has no possibility of climbing out of it.
     
  9. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    ...and then what? Taking time off is not necessarily going to improve her game, and as she discovered over the past couple of years, hers is a game easily figured out as it lacks a serious amount of variety/strategy. As i've said about Murray, if one has the height and the reach, he or she should take advantage of it and come in more--particularly Vaidisova, who hovers around the baseline with the predictable bashing.

    She--like several women--needs a new coach and approach.
     
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    If she were to take a break, expect her to marry Stepanek and get pregnant right away.
     
  11. Tanya

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    Her mental game is shattered; the purpose of the break would be to try and recover that somewhat.

    Besides I thought her relationship with Stepanek was over?
     
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    I think Alona Bondarenko should be on the list. She was doing very well then suddenly dissapeared never to be heard of until cinccinati when she lost to Mauresmo 6-1 6-1! Also Li Na, she has the game to be top 10, but just bashes the heck out of the ball and doesnt give a care. Then one day she causes a major upset out of nowhere, she has the potential to upset anyone on any given day, just cant string good matches together and cant stay focused.
     
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    Li is very erratic. When her game is on, she can take it to BOTH Venus and Serena like she did last year. But yeah, she is one of the dumbest players on the tour. Her concentration and mental strength is quite shaky and if she can't blast you off the court, she'll spray UEs to lose.

    Bondarenko has been an underachiever. She should be one of the best clay court players on the tour, but she's like the Ukrainian Petrova in that her game falls apart in big matches. And when it falls apart it's AWFUL to watch. She has that Myskina-like look of a woman with venom waiting to come out. Would not want to get her angry or mess with her in a dark alley....
     
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    That is why I questioned the value of a break; her true problem is that her type of one-dimensional baseline game is easily picked apart. Vaidisova has nothing in her toolbox to turn to--no "B" or "C" game to speak of--essentially, anything that would give her some faint chance to win a slam.

    She needs a new coach, as coming back from a break playing the same game will lead to the same continuing downslide of her career.
     
  15. timeisonmyside

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    Can't you say that about a lot of the top women players, that they don't have 'B' and 'C' games? e.g. Sharapova, Ivanovic, Safina.

    I don't know that she enjoys playing anymore. Last time I saw her was 2008 East West Bank in Carson, CA. That was tough to watch and very tough to film any good highlights. She could make an error at any time on any shot.
     
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    I think you should consider putting Li on the list
     
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    Vadisova and Stepanek broke up? when?
     
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    Yes, but they are still there for some reason--maybe their brand of "No B and C game" is a little better than Vaidisova's.

    I'm not sure if it is an issue of her not enjoying it anyore--or at least i've not heard that from her, or anyone close to her camp. I really bellieve she needs a new coach ASAP (and n one obsessed with ONE part of the court) or what career she has will be gone--probably sometime in 2010.
     
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    perhaps she needs to go and see what it's like to have a proper job for a year. stacking shelves might make her look on her career in a new light.
     
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    well dont worry, beloved justin henin will come back and save the wta tour.
     
  21. soyizgood

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    Henin left like a coward. I really like her, but she quit when she realized the tour wasn't going to bow down to her the way it did in 2007. Sharapova and Serena humbled her with bagels while she ate a breadstick on CLAY courtesy of Safina. She should have at least played the French.

    What changed in 2008? In 2007 she skipped the Australian to separate from her husband. End result: her best year ever with 10 titles. Heck, in 2008 she had 2 titles before she lost to Safina in Berlin. She was still way ahead at #1, but she didn't like that the competition was rapidly creeping up on her...
     
  22. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Heh.

    I doubt she's trained to do anything else.
     
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    She really should change her forehand. Then again maybe she's looking for the perfect excuse to be all ready for her upcoming wedding. :confused:
     
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    I don't think anything is wrong with her forehand. it could probably use a little tweaking but to me when it's on that forehand is awesome. Venus should be the one to change her forehand. but then again why change something when it's gotten you 11 grandslam titles? i wouldn't.
     
  25. soyizgood

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    Mirza blames her wrist injuries on her Western forehand grip. But she has said she refuses to change the grip. How many times has she had surgeries and acupuncture for it??

    Venus' forehand is so on-and-off. She hits really flat, very aggressive with it, and it's the side the top players like to hit at because while Venus refuses to play rally-ball off either wing while it's the side that breaks down more often.
     
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    Safina needs to win a slam!!!!! Thats what Safina needs to do. i'm not a fan of hers but come on. She is kind of a joke in my opinion, Venus destroyed her at Wimbledon. Serena crushed her at the Australian Open. She is kind of in the same scenario as Jelena when she was number 1 and didn't have a slam to her name. But now that i think about it she still doesn't have a slam. Unless i missed something. But we will see what Safina can muster up in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully, she doesn't disappoint her fans.
     
  27. slice bh compliment

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    This thread reminds me of the song by Joe Jackson,
    "Is She Really Going Out With Him?"
     
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    she plays like my college friend, a ue at every turn.:shock::shock:
     
  30. Tanya

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    That was heartbreaking to say the least. :cry:
     
  31. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    She plays like an amateur in that clip.
     
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    Looking at this you would never think in a million years she's be a SF at RG or the AO. Is amazing how far her game has regressed. Can anybody remember this match? She looked awesome here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeiFvJGfy4M

    She looked so great on 07, WTF has happened to her game? Its regressed from top 10 to average junior.
     
  33. soyizgood

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    10 straight losses for Kanepi. :shock: And to think she was in the top 20 earlier this year.
     
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    6 straight breaks of serve in the Venus-Dushevina match. :shock:

    If Venus loses this, she is getting a "prime" spot on this list. She is one heck of a UE-machine...
     
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    Venus has always played like that. She plays high risk tennis which results in a lot of UE's, however she banks on having high numbers in the winners category to go with that. Serena is the same way, she'll hit like 30 UE's, but she'll usually have a good amount of winners to go with it and win in straights. Problem with this style is...when it rains it pours theoretically speaking, and that is Venus's problem lately it seems....its pouring more often then it used to.
     
  36. soyizgood

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    Venus slugged her way to avoid achieving a "career slam" of 1st round exits. I don't like Venus' game, but I appreciate she puts 100% in her matches unlike Serena. Dushevina didn't deserve to face Venus in the first round, but she kept her head together, played within her element, and didn't beat herself. Venus is lucky to have come out on top because hitting 52+ UEs usually won't get the job done.
     
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    Dushevina is a decent player, nothing great, but decent. She deserved a better draw than Venus because you look at some of the other first round matchup's and think...one of these 2 have to be in the 2nd rd....why? Venus fights hard in every match, even if she loses horribly she gives it her all. Venus is just past her prime and is not what she used to be. It is sad, of the Williams I like Venus and wish it were possible for her to get an Australian or something, but realistically won't happen. Venus needs to rope herself in and start playing smarter tennis now that she is getting older...this no holds barred bludgeon fest is not something she can really realistically execute consistantly anymore. She could still be a real contender if she puts in the work to play a slightly more calculated style than she does now. Problem is...I don't see her making that switch.
     
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    Safina really tests her fans' devotion to her.

    19 winners/48 UE, 1 aces/11 DF vs the #166 player. Was 1pt from being down 4-0 in the 3rd before coming back to pull it off. And I thought Venus played played badly... :shock:

    Her serve is such a mess. All those DFs and her fastest serve was only 104 MPH (average 1st serve was 93 MPH). This from a stocky 6'2" lady with no shortage of power. Ugh!
     
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  39. soyizgood

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    Pavlyuchenkova has been a mess since she made the Indian Wells SF. I think her record this year borders on .500. She has a lot of potential, but she needs to refine her game and not be YABB (yet another ball basher).
     
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    You have said it yourself over and over again, that you don't like Venus game. But the focus should be on Safina, who has all the intention to win, but in all actuality she is scared to win when it matters. Venus has been around long enough to know what it takes to get through. Venus is 29 years old, the thread belong to those that were suppose to make an impact.

    Ana Ivanovic tonight is one of those...:-?
     
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    Ivanovic fans have some SERIOUS explaining to do.....
     
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    In Venus' case, I respect her but pretty much I'm neutral on her. I give her a hard time in some ways because I feel she should be the Williams with the most slams. Her height, athleticism, power, hustle, and effort would usually translate to greatness but she hasn't pulled it together the way folks assumed. That said, she's had a great career but most would agree she could/should have taken that extra step forward.

    I'm quite harsh towards Safina even though I've been rooting hard for her since Berlin 2008. She's made humongous strides in the past 18 months. She's been in 15 finals from Berlin 2008 to now, but only 7-8 in those finals. The tour is quite shaky and if she had the killer instinct she could very well dominate the tour. But she just can't handle the pressure. She can claw her way back down match points in mid-round matches, but when she's the favorite with all eyes on her, she just wilts like a flower in autumn. I've been screaming for her to fix that serve for well over a year. It just does NOT work! Maybe that's why her coach only made it to #70 on the ATP for all I know. If she had watched some film of Davenport's or even Kuznetsova's serve she would be a gold medalist and possibly a 2x slam champ by now.
     
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    How did Ivanovic lose? I couldn't watch. Is her serve finally in Coria territory???
     
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    I didn't get to see it either. Apparently from others that saw it, her forehand let her down. Stats wise there wasn't a major difference between the two and Ana won 2 more points than Bondarenko. It probably was an evenly played match with moments of choking from both players.
     
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    I agree...
    I am thinking it is quite common for many russian girls on tour - they do need to work with a sport psychologist, almost all of them seem to lose their fighting spirits and/or choke at the very crucial moments of the match. I mean, this is what gets Serena going at Slams - she fights, she believes in herself till the very end.
    With Safina, Petrova, Kirilenko, Chakvetadze and others, I think the spirit is not there.
    Sharapova does seem to have it, she is a fighter. PErhaps, because she was trained in States? Dementieva and Kuzi seem to have improved in this area. Elena changed the coach, may be this is the reason for improvement?
    Safina needs this badly, she gets so tight and negative, it is painful to watch! May be it is a time for a new coach...
     
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    I'm not an ******* or a sexist, but the WTA really is a joke right now.
     
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    here's a stat breakdown of the ana match. not really good for either player but the +8 ues in ana's column appear to be the difference maker.

    Match Summary
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    1st Serve % 63 of 107 = 59 % 68 of 107 = 64 %

    Aces 3 0

    Double Faults 5 7

    Unforced Errors 50 42

    Winning % on 1st Serve 37 of 63 = 59 % 40 of 68 = 59 %

    Winning % on 2nd Serve 21 of 44 = 48 % 17 of 39 = 44 %

    Winners (Including Service) 34 24

    Receiving Points Won 50 of 107 = 47 % 49 of 107 = 46 %

    Break Point Conversions 6 of 14 = 43 % 5 of 12 = 42 %

    Net Approaches 21 of 26 = 81 % 18 of 28 = 64 %

    Total Points Won 108 106

    Fastest Serve Speed 113 MPH 108 MPH

    Average 1st Serve Speed 97 MPH 93 MPH

    Average 2nd Serve Speed 88 MPH 76 MPH
     
  49. soyizgood

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    GG Zvonareva. Showed she has some fight in her after all. Chakvetadze's getting a bit better, but still way off her 2007 level.

    Radwanska (aka JJ Lite) was slayed by "Beauty without Substance" Kirilenko. Down went Mauresmo. Not sure if Mauresmo is returning next year.
     
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    Safina in another 3 setter. At least she disposed of her opponent in the last two sets, but come on girl!
     

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