The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. Bloodshed

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    I would add Jankovic to that list. I mean from a Finalist Last Year to 2nd round today is just plain pathetic. Both Serbs are out? Oh man gj011 must be crying in his sleep.

    And Dementieva... after all the work she put in Toronto and she pulls out this abysmal performance vs Oudin? Disgusting at his best.

    You have to wonder who in the hell will pull out from the Top Half as a finalist?
     
  2. Sartorius

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    Couldn't watch the matches today, but extremely disappointing results with JJ and Dementieva going out. Ivanovic made her exit too and even Safina may do the same sometime soon, probably not going to win the whole thing anyway. You never know for sure, but we all actually do know who's the heavy favourite. Personally my hopes are with Kuznetsova, and Clijsters to an extent.

    It's not "What's Wrong With Her?" anymore, since a long time it has been "What's Wrong With WTA?"...
     
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    "Schnyder (Retiring after this year. A GOAT among headcases.)"

    This made me laugh out loud... Novotna could challenge her for all-time GOAT.

    Vera Dushevina should be put on alert for a year after Monday night. I don't want to add her just yet, but she's a concern. I like her, so hope she manages to move up but stays off the list.

    ps--Virginia Wade sounded exasperated covering the Safina match today, but at least she gets paid to watch.
     
  4. soyizgood

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    Jankovic losing was inexcusable. Then again, Shvedova was aggressive and made Jankovic play like a pusher for the parts I saw. Jankovic could not put her away even with a horde of break points and set points at her disposal. Shvedova played a somewhat high-risk game but her backhand was on fire when it mattered most. Jankovic just lacks an extra gear to get through and relies on her opponents beating themselves. Didn't happen this time.

    Dementieva lost to a player she beat twice this year iirc. Oudin's not a pushover and with the crowd on her side I expected it to be a tough one for Dementieva (i.e. 2 tight sets). Oudin was playing through some visible pain and Dementieva still could not take charge. Well-fought match and Oudin showed that her win over Jankovic was no fluke. She out-slugged, out-fought, and out-played Dementieva. No signs of being a headcase here, but one of not forcing the issue or imposing her will for Dementieva.
     
  5. angharad

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    Her grandmother passed away last night. I can imagine her being upset by that, to the point of not even being sure if she really wanted to win the match and end up having to stay in New York longer.

    I'm not excusing the rest of her game, but there were other circumstances for this particular match.
     
  6. soyizgood

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    Dushevina is not likely to get on the list until she can string together some results beyond Istanbul and then produce some mediocre, eye-popping, head-scratching, mindless play. Seriously, she wasn't hyped up like her compatriots Dementieva/Kuznetsova/Zvonareva/Safina/Sharapova/Petrova/Myskina, so she'll have to duke it out with the Vesnina/Pavlyuchenkova/Kleybanova/Makarova/A. Bondarenko/Kirilenko group for now.
     
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    Azarenka had a very disappointing summer. :(
     
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    I's serve was atrocious - she kept grabbing her toss, try again, repeat. Bondarenko looked semi-injured and like she just wanted to get off the court ("please, i am trying to give you this match - just take it") and Ivanovic wouldn't let her ("I don't want it either!")
    As usual, no shortage of drama. The WTA in a nutshell.
     
  9. speckles

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    I know - it's sad. She was my pick to win it all. But good on Schiavone for playing so well.

    on a happier note (dare I say it) Vera Z. is moving nicely thru her draw. Maybe it's the 'towel over head' fashion statement...
     
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    Azarenka's on the list now. Overrated = her. One great win over injured Serena and everyone hopped on the bandwagon, bet some want the refund for those tickets...
     
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    ^^^ I said a while back that Azarenka was about as year away from contending for slams. She's on course, but she has a few areas to work on.

    She has a temper, but more level-headed than most of the Russians. She leaves very little margin for error with her deep groundstrokes. Consequently, players that mix up pace tend to give her the most trouble.

    The serve is not a huge liability, but it also means she doesn't get many free points. She's confident she can hang from the baseline with anybody and for the most part that's true.

    She needs the off-season to mature a bit, settle in with her game, and possibly think about doing things like approaching the net and mixing up pace (that and having more margin on her shots). She's gaining experience and I see her doing a lot more damage in the coming years than Wozniacki/Radwanska/Cornet/Cibulkova/Vaidisova. It took Sampras 3 years after he won his first big event to settle in, so I'm confident she will be a force to be reckoned with.

    But yeah, she's on the list for now.
     
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  12. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    About Victoria, I have heard too much lately about her and her potential, but her 2nd serve is horrible if anyone noticed, she will get typically 75-80% 1st serve in every match, but struggle on the 2nd serve points even when playing well. Plus you take away her dictating game and force her to defend; she isn't that good in the movement department. Mentally sometimes she can lose it and that won't help her in the long run. She peaked in Miami earlier this year, let the rebuilding begin.
     
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    I don't see her winning more than 3 slams, if lucky, that's Azarenka I'm talking about. She just doesn't impress me that much, I think Safina's a better player than her, but gets far less hype and credit than Azarenka. Azarenka's kinda a one trick pony now, and it's not that good of a trick, baseline bashing, I think she'll need to add more dimensions if she wants to be more than a one slam wonder or even win a slam.
     
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    Heck I don't know if Azarenka will win any slams, although as the WS get a little older somebody has to win them I guess. She looked really good at Australia and Miami but for some reason her summer HC play has been mediocre. Perhaps she needs a little more conditioning to maintain her level of play for an entire season.

    Regarding Safina, I think she has really overachieved to get to where she is ranking-wise; to me she is just not as talented or athletically gifted as a lot of the other top players (WS obviously, Dementieva, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, etc..) so when she has to play them in a big spot she presses and tries to play better than she is capable of.
     
  15. soyizgood

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    Sharapova's serve is the standard of how NOT to serve. Safina at least tries to put it in (as painful as her motion is) while Sharapova tries blasting 100MPH serve for no real reason. Sharapova is the REAL Double Fault Queen on the tour.
     
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    ^^^ That strikes me as a bit too harsh. I mean, we don't have a clue what personal battles she is fighting through with that shoulder.
     
  17. Dutch-Guy

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    Co-sign.At 5 all in the final set she made 3 DFs in that game.How do you expect to win that match serving like that?
     
  18. soyizgood

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    Sorry, but common sense would tell you if you're missing left, right, center, deep, into the middle of the net that you might want to slow your serve speed down just a little to get into a rhythm and prevent 2nd serves. Oudin is not the biggest of returners so getting the first serve in would have made life much easier. Besides, Sharapova only made 11 DFs through her prior two matches.

    If she had some sort of court smarts, she would have realized that Oudin the entire match was baiting her to hit hard. Oudin was content to let the points play out while Sharapova was in "kill-the-ball" mode which got her a lot of winners, but a lot more UEs and prevented her from getting into a rhythm. If Oudin wasn't so bad at converting break points (8 for 26), Oudin could have won this in straights.
     
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    Updated Sharapova comment.
     
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    Safina looked like a zombie for much of her match vs Kvitova. She was like a pusher for most of that match. She didn't trust her forehand at times, made 3 straight double faults, got pushed around like a junior, stayed way back behind the baseline, and was content to being defensive all match.

    She tried to get it together, but she blew 3 MPs and couldn't capitalize on Kvitova's inexperience and her 59 UEs. Shame on you, Dinara. I'm in a pissy mood right now as she had a clean path to the SFs. Sigh....
     
  21. WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis

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    Totally. No seeded player until then. A dream walk and she ...ARGH.

    My thoughts continue here: With Dinara, it was inevitable. She remains one of my favorites, but just can't get it together in majors...and its sad she continues to believe the "tough love" from her coach is keeping/helping her to be better. When you friggin have a problem winning matches because you have in the back of your mind you don't want to face your coach afterwards because they are going to verbally abuse you....you need to get a new coach. Obviously, after this calender year of not being able to win in Grand Slams although you say you are at your best, some things definitely need to be changed in your regime and staff.
     
  22. Cindysphinx

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    Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it?

    I was watching the match really late last night, so I was in a hurry to get through it. I noticed that, toward the end, Safina hit *every* ball crosscourt. She did not change direction, she did not hit slice, she did not moonball. Nothing.

    Someone as big and slow as she is (and what's with her big gut? She needs to eat less) needs to stand at the T and bash side to side like Davenport.

    Well, at least she won't get in the final an deliver another horrid performance.
     
  23. Cindysphinx

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    Maria is very stubborn, isn't she?

    Whatever happened to spinning your serve in? It didn't look like she even tried doing that.

    Somewhere around DF 17, they showed her face and I thought she might start crying. The serve problem is really getting to her. Her coaches need to find a solution to this and teach her a basic serve she can get in the box, just for emergencies.

    Where's Yuri, BTW?
     
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    I think Maria should just hang it up and let that shoulder/service motion heal.

    Then again, looking at all the headcases around, I cant blame her for coming back to the tour. She should feel good that with crappy movement and no serve she still had some decent results and nice wins.

    Imo, I dont think she seriously believed she would win the USO, but with this load of headcases playing, hell why not try? If not for a mentally tough gamer in Oudin, she probably makes the final as I dont see anyone else that would hold it together long enough to stop her( maybe Kuzi but...you never know with her).
     
  25. Topaz

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    My thoughts.

    First of all, people, Safina does not have a gut. She is a bit sway-backed (arches her back, which sticks her tummy out), but that girl is a lean machine. Seriously. Get a grip here.

    Safina: whooo boy. She has completely fallen apart. I do think the criticisms have a lot to do with it...she didn't handle the pressure. I also think (and this is totally just my opinion) that the coach needs to go. It just doesn't seem to be a very healthy relationship going on there. And..I don't know...mentally she is just a mess. I'm not sure if it is because she feels the pressure of matching her brother's accomplishments, or the pressure and criticism of being a slamless #1 or all of that and more. But she's not having fun anymore, either. She is a shell of the gal that beat Henin and then went on an unbelievable run last year (was it just last year?). She needs to find that again.

    Azarenka: I like her. And here is why...GREAT MOVEMENT. She has unbelievable footwork, and that sets her apart from the other tall blondes with big forehands. She needs to stop being a brat and grow up a lot. She's got the game...but not yet mentally mature enough to break through. I think it will come.

    Sharapova: Ok, enough with the 'I'm just coming back' excuses. Because, that does NOT explain why she just stood at that baseline and *refused* to take something, ANYTHING, off of her serve to get the darn thing in the box. Really, I mean, enough is enough. I loved Carillo's line 'you can't have more doubles than the age of your opponent', but Masha went there and kept on going. Completely an embarrassment to women's tennis. Hello...try a slice? Maybe learn a kick? How about lowering that toss??? Not arming the ball? Ugh...her game has gotten really ugly, and it makes the shrieking even more ridiculous. Lol, as you can tell, I'm real tired of Masha. I don't even like her dresses anymore either!!! (beam me up scotty!)

    Jankovic: For me, she gets a 'pass' in the Open. After dealing with her mom's ilness, to then lose your grandmother...obviously, she is not quite focused on just tennis right now, and that's understandable. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with her in my book.

    So, who else? I mean, the women are getting crucified on the boards now (and some of it is justified), but the word that keeps coming up is 'choker'. I think we can label Safina a choker easily, and even Masha, but really...who else choked?

    Didn't see the Azarenka or ElenaD matches, so I can't say for them (unlike others who will totally judge things that they haven't seen)...did they choke as well? I did hear that ElenaD was very complimentary to Oudin's game in the press conference...doesn't surprise me, ElenaD has class!

    Wow...sorry for such a long post! :)
     
  26. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Hantuchova is nothing on court.

    Absolutely nothing, yet she still plays...for what? When did all of the contenders cease to exist so she would have a prayer to win a slam?
     
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    She gave up at 2 all in the first set. Absolutely no fight in her.
     
  28. soyizgood

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    Rumor has it Yuri does not like Maria's boyfriend. Maybe Maria with all the time off she had told her dad to back off so she could get another coach too.
     
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    Topaz, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Safina does in fact have a gut. She is certainly not the only one with a gut, and there are players with different builds on tour. Everyone can't be built like Hantchukova.

    But Safina is *slow.* Big time. I am very confident that her little tummy is bigger than when I saw her up close in Indian Wells (she was on my flight, remember?). She can't afford even 5 pounds of extra weight given her lack of fast twitch muscles.

    And yeah, I think she needs a different coach. I don't think this guy is doing anything wrong, necessarily.

    But can anyone think of even one single thing she is doing better than last year?

    I can think of things other players have improved (Dementieva = serve, Federer = drop shot and BH, Nadal = serve, Roddick = BH).

    Safina? Nope. Has the same game she has had for at least a year.

    Therefore gotta get a new coach and see if that will change things.
     
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    Safina now:
    [​IMG]

    Safina a while back:
    [​IMG]

    Safina has toned her body over the past 18 months. She has not been able to tone her abs as easily, but that's true for most people anyway. Even if she lost weight, she'd end up losing a lot of muscle in the process and that would likely hurt her game and affect her health. I don't want her ending up like this:

    [​IMG]
     
  31. Cindysphinx

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    Five pounds. Not 25 pounds.

    We need to see a couple of profile shots. Can't see anything in the pic from last night if you shoot it from the front. . . . .
     
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    Is that Skeletor from He Man?
     
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    Unbelievable that the WTA allowed a human skeleton like Daniela play without forcing her to seek help
     
  34. Topaz

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    ^^^That Dani picture is from years ago...help was seeked, let's move on.

    Personally, if I can see a gal's abs through her shirt, I don't think she has a gut.

    This is from her first round match.

    [​IMG]
     
  35. slice bh compliment

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    I like your logic. However....I have BOTH! Yes, 'visible abs'. And a gut below them! Yeah for me!

    EDIT: OF course, I'm an athletic middle-aged guy who likes good food, and that's a lot more common with us.
     
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    ^^^You know what I mean!!! Cheeky. You can see the delineation of her abdominal muscles. For the rest of us, what we are seeing is the delineation of subcutaneous fat.

    And, I know what people are talking about...when she's out of breath she kinda sticks it out when she breathes and exhales. But she's lean, at least IMO...she's just shaped differently than say...Dani or Sharapova. Her physical fitness has improved since her rise in the rankings. Now she needs to get her mental fitness there, too.
     
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    Haa! Ahhhaha, yeah, I know what you mean. My comparison was not fair. I'm the same height as her.....and she is WAY lighter, leaner and probably even quicker.

    Now, as for the delineation of subcutaneous fat...uhmmm...yeah, I prefer to just eschew obfuscations and opt for optimal sartorial and gastronomical contingencies....while planning to stay as active as possible for the next 40 years.

    Anyway, back to .. what's wrong with her....
    it ain't her body. It's her head.

    I do think there are other WTA players who are way fitter than Safina, though. IN the head and in the legs. I'm talking about Oudin and Serena, in particular.

    Allez Oudin! Keep it going!

    Go Serena! Nothing wrong with you (except for the arrogant/bad loser thing).
     
  38. soyizgood

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    Venus is yet another Kimmie victim...
     
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    ^ Venus lost, yes, but she played well in the 2nd and 3rd sets of that match. Kim played great in the third so there's nothing wrong with Venus having lost that match save for a few too many unforced errors.
     
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    Zvonareva - a little crazy?
     
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    A little? Understatement of the century.
     
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    She is just over emotional. Some people just tear up or overreact to the slightest thing.
     
  43. OnceWas

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    Vera losing 6-0 after missing out on six (6) match points in second set was quite a show. I feel for the girl.
     
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    I just started an A&P class this fall, and I have no idea what you just said! LOL

    Agree...there are a lot of women (Pennetta also comes to mind) who have sound mind and bodies (thinking legs and the movement). I'm glad she pulled through as well. Oudin also seems to be very physically strong for her smaller stature and youth. I think she really wants it and will work hard (and harder than others) if need be.

    Now, back to the 'what is wrong with her' discussion.

    VERA! Holy cow! I thought she got through this already, but it is almost like the past two years just go rewound. Such a beautiful game. A pity. :(
     
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    Hmm...after what happened today, I say Vera has earned some time back on the list. Maybe in the temporary ward.
     
  46. Cindysphinx

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    I think Vera was going through some real knee pain. Maybe I'm just projecting, but I think that was her biggest problem. To run so hard and be in pain, only to lose . . . that will make you crazy.

    Cindy -- whose non-tennis-watching family was transfixed watching a top tennis player sitting on the ground slapping at her knees like a pre-schooler
     
  47. soyizgood

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    Zvonareva is definitely back in the club. I can't believe how she fell apart. She didn't even choke the MPs away, yet went postal in the 3rd set.
     
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    To me Zvonereva really looked like she had trouble moving all night, but in the first two sets she was able to overpower Pennetta, espescially Pennetta's serve. However, you could see that she was losing some sting on her shots, probably due to lack of movement, and by the third set she had nothing on her strokes.
     
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    Thats true enough, but alot of players have played with and lost matches due to injury without going Chernobyl on the court. So, I think she has earned her way back on the list. I feel for her though, she really wanted it..maybe with a good sports shrink or good mental coach she can be a top dog. She at least cares out there, I wonder with some of the women.:neutral:
     
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    Soyisgood,

    Just gotta say I'm loving this thread. I wish there were one for the men . . .
     

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