The Wimbledon Medical Time Out Thread

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Who will have the most MTOs for Wimbledon 2011?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2011.
  1. Rafael Nadal

    66.0%
  2. Novak Djokovic

    18.9%
  3. Roger Federer

    3.8%
  4. Andy Murray

    11.3%
  5. Tomas Berdych

    3.8%
  6. Andy Roddick

    1.9%
  7. David Ferrer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Robin Soderling

    3.8%
  9. Isner & Mahut

    3.8%
  10. Someone else

    18.9%
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  1. Hitman

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    So much gets made of the MTO's that players take. Some seem to be essential, some appear to be gamesmanship (but may in fact be legitimate injuries). This thread is to record all the MTO's that are taking place for Wimbledon. It would be interesting to look back at all the MTO's taken by the top players. This includes Bathroom breaks that appear to break the opponent's momentum...
     
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  2. Bobby Jr

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    I'd go as far to say that Nadal has called for more medical time-outs in matches at a point when a set is really close (or close to being lost) than all other tennis matches I've seen in well over 25 years combined.

    Someone should do a list of all the times he's called for MTO before an opponent is set to serve for a set or it's a tight set etc... It can't be coincidence as it seems to happen a couple of times a year for Nadal at least.
     
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  3. Kunohara

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    I say Rafa will call for 3 MTOs during the tournament.
     
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  4. woodrow1029

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    Why include bathroom breaks in a thread about medical timeouts?
     
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  5. Hitman

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    Well...since I am sure many will talk about gamemanship when refering to MTOs'. It will be interesting to see how many will also call foul play on bathroom breaks.

    But I understand where you are coming from.
     
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  6. TMF

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    Bathroom break is common and it takes only a minute or 2. MTO delays the match. Huge advantage for player who runs a lot that don't mind having additional time to recuperate.
     
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  7. Tennis Is Magic

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    It'll be a tie because Murray had a legitimate ankle injury, and Nadal because he's going to win, so he will have the most opportunities to use them.
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  8. Hitman

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    I agree.

    But since a big thing was made about a certain AO10 quarter final match because of a break, I thought I would add it in there.

    Anyways, lets see who walks away with the Wimbledon 2011 MTO championship. :)
     
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  9. woodrow1029

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    Which AO10 QF match? I don't remember what happened.
     
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  10. feetofclay

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    Bathroom breaks may be common but they are still gamesmanship. I remember Djokovic's team signalling to him to take a bathroom break when he was being hammered by Nadal at Roland Garros 2008. As for MTO's I bet there aren't many who have taken one to have there toe nails clipped, which is exactly what Federer did when he was losing to Canas.
     
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  11. TMF

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    Don't go there. I'm not a Murray fan but he doesn't fake an injury to call time out. Big difference !
     
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  12. Hitman

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  13. Rippy

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    Federer vs Davydenko.

    Federer was back before the umpire called "time", but apparantly it was still a distraction for Davydenko. :(
     
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  15. Bud

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    Another Nadal hate thread masquerading as something interesting and/or objective :)
     
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  16. woodrow1029

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    And what was the score when that happened?
     
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  17. feetofclay

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    Who are you to say anyone is faking an injury. The only time you could claim that anyone is faking is if they admit to it and the nearest anyone has come to that was Djokovic
    At the 2005 Open, Djokovic beat Gael Monfils, 7-5, 4-6, 7-6(5), 0-6, 7-5 in a match that spanned four hours and two minutes and featured four stoppages of play from Djokovic, who requested the trainer to treat his respiratory and cramping issues. At 4-4 in the fifth set of that match, the seemingly spent Serbian climbed off the court and took an injury timeout that spanned nearly 13 minutes then won three of the final four games.

    Confronted with questions of whether he resorted to gamesmanship to pull out that victory, Djokovic said he could not have completed the match without receiving treatment.

    “I cannot describe how I was feeling; you just have to be on court feeling it,” Djokovic said. “I’m not used to hard five-set matches. I know for people watching it (taking the breaks) is really irritating, but this is the only way I could win and continue. I am not thinking this would be nice for the people watching, I am thinking and trying to win.”
     
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  18. Bud

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    Everybody watch closely as this thread slowly becomes everything the TT tards hate about Nadal.
     
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  19. Hitman

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    He lost something like 13 games in a row after the break. And pretty much any chance of winning the match unless Federer got seriously injured.
     
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  20. zagor

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    Nah,If I remember well Kolja broke Fed right after that bathroom break.
     
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  21. Hitman

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    You are probably right. I don't remember every detail regarding the games, all I know is that after the break he lost 13 games and essentially the match also.
     
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  22. woodrow1029

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    Was it at a set break? If not, was it before Federer's serve?
     
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  23. Hitman

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    Not sure, to be honest with you. I don't know if someone here can answer this question for you.
     
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  24. Magnus

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    Well, when you say MTOs, you say Rafael Nadal. I think last year at Wimbledon he took a MTO that pretty much won him the match. Of course I'll get bashed now for having an opinion (by "TheTruth" for example) but that's my opinion. Of course, players should already know this by now and keep their concentration regardless.
     
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  25. Magnus

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    I'll explain:
    1) Fed took a break AFTER the 1st set was over, not in the middle of it.
    2) He took his break before HIS OWN serve and got broken anyway, which proves the break had no effect whatsoever on Davydenko.
     
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  26. zagor

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    During a break between 1st and 2nd set.
     
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  27. Magnus

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    We can criticize Nadal or any other player for that matter. Nadal certainly has his place in a discussion about gamesmanship.
     
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  28. woodrow1029

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    Thanks. Since that is the case, why was a big deal made out of the situation especially since the rule is that in a 5 set match a player can take 2 bathroom breaks, they shall be taken at the set break unless it's an emergency in which it should be taken before the player's own serve.
     
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  29. feetofclay

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    Yes Nadal took a MTO, I believe it was before his own serve. Petzschner also took a MTO. Why is one criticised and the other not? A little bit of hate and double standards, maybe?
     
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  30. Magnus

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    I don't remember if and when Petzschner took an MTO, but I do know Nadal took his in a very important stage of the match (I believe he was down 2 sets to one).
     
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  31. Magnus

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    I don't know you, or whom you are a fan of, but I think its just Nadal fans trying to find a similar case about Roger, but that isn't a very good example IMO.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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  33. zagor

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    Eh because Fed fans often harp on Nadal for his MTOs(among other things)and Nadal fans saw this as an opportunity to retaliate and jumped on it right away without thinking it through? In reality Fed didn't even take any of Kolja's time away,if I remember right Fed returned before the umpire said "time".
     
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  34. woodrow1029

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    I am a fan of tennis, but I am also an international chair umpire, so I am just confused as to why this was made an issue.
     
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  35. Rippy

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    Correct, Federer did not exceed the time limit between sets.

    I'm baffled why anyone would think that Federer walking around for 2 minutes is more of a distraction than him sitting on his chair for 2 minutes.
     
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  36. CMM

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    Probably because of this article

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/01/2806776.htm
     
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  37. Bud

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    Federer took like 10-12 minutes and later stated in an interview that he took such a long bathroom break so the shadows would have time to move across the court as they were affecting his play. There were stories about the incident at the time.

    Don't listen to the tards when they'll tell you he only took the time allotted in a normal changeover. He was off court for at least 10 minutes.
     
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  38. CMM

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    Not really.
     
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  39. feetofclay

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    Nadal had just broken serve and therefore had momentum on his side, so he did himself no favour by taking a MTO.

    Someone taking a MTO shouldn't cause another professional to lose a match. Soderling took A MTO when Nadal was a set down and about to serve for the set, did it cause Nadal to lose?
     
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  40. Bud

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    Since you're an expert, how long was it?
     
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  41. Bud

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    Like I said earlier, this thread will slowly turn into another Nadal bashing party for the TT Tardz™ :)

    God, I really hope he once again demolishes federer in the final!
     
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  42. CMM

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    I don't know, but I don't think he passed the time limit. People talk about this not because he took the bathroom break, but because he talked about it after the match and kind of suggested that he didn't need to go to the bathroom and that he only did it because the shadow was bothering him. But maybe he was just joking.
     
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  43. Bud

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    There is no official time limit for bathroom breaks, from what I understand about the rules. Perhaps Woodrow can fill us in on that.
     
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  44. woodrow1029

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    The only wording on bathroom breaks is "reasonable time." There is no set time limit on bathroom breaks.

    Up until around 2000 or so, the WTA limited toilet breaks to 5 minutes, but then changed to reasonable time to conform with the ATP and ITF.
     
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  45. Gorecki

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    Nice Bonfire story... now someone tell us the one about the guy who woke up in a bath tub covered in ice...

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  46. Magnus

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    Wow, just wow. Federer was back before umpire said "time", and this isn't an opinion, its a fact. Fed also took the break before his own serve, so if he broke anyone concentration, its his own. Also, if Fed takes 10 minutes for his bathroom break I suppose Nadal takes 30 minutes during his MTOs. With these rates I am surprised the matches are ever over.
     
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  47. Magnus

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    He said he was joking and that he really needed to pee.
     
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  48. woodrow1029

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    Since it was a bathroom break at a set break, the umpire would not have called "Time" until Federer was back.

    The only way the umpire would have called time prior to Federer being back is if he had already used his 2 allowed bathroom breaks and had left the court on his own time.
     
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  49. Bud

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    That's exactly what happened when he returned from his 10 minute bathroom break. Amazing how some people who watched the match at the time couldn't tell the difference between 2 minutes and 10 minutes. They swore he took no more time than a usual changeover.
     
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  50. Sentinel

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    Ah, then we should also count TIME VIOLATIONS during serves here since this is breaking a rule (in order to break opp's rhythm.)

    And why not count bathroom breaks, too. How many bathroom breaks has Federer taken anyway? One per serve ????

     
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