Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by jakemcclain32, Apr 13, 2012.
Djoker, and Roger for the US Open. Ferrer was always a one shot deal.
If your real goal was to get more attention instead of actually being right, then sure it worked out great for you.
Was always a stupid bet if you were actually trying to be right though.
This thread is, as our US folk put it, "full of fail"...
No, I thought I had it. I would have only thought it was stupid if he got knocked out early, but I knew it would not happen.
And I love hearing how stupid the bet was before and after the fact. Everyone is stupid for taking chances...till they work. Then I'm a genius.
Two days ago, no naysayers were here, and people had hope. Now naysayers show up. That's fine, I still have no regrets. I thought this had a chance, and it did for a while till Rafa found his 2008 killer self again.
No regrets. I'll take many more chances of different kinds in my life. Why not? We all will eventually take the dirt nap anyway.
Nadal has been in great form all CC season though and has owned Daveed on clay. I would have loved to have seen him win, but the chances of him going through Nadal then Djoker/Fed to win this even were always miniscule.
It was always going to be very risky betting on Ferrer to beat Nadal. After all, he hasn't managed to beat him on clay since 2004 and was comfortably straight-setted by him in their 2 most recent clay matches!
I know it's easy to point out with hindsight but Ferrer's only realistic chance of even making the final was if Rafa had been taken out before he got to him (with injury being the most likely reason). Even then he would have had to face Novak or Roger in the final!
A brave bet but never one with much chance of succeeding.
Yeah, I think Nadal wins the French and Wimbly and then who knows with the US Open.
I guess Djokovic, since he's so good on hard courts.
If you go back and check this very thread you'll find that I was here two days ago, naysaying away (specifially with regards to your attempts to say Rafa wasn't playing well).
Ferrer won 5 games in 3 sets. If that wasn't a wake up call for how long of a shot this always was, then I don't know what to say.
Well, as of right now, I'm sending the money off.
Congrats to Big_Dangerous. He can go hog wild.
congratz Big_Dangerous fro basically stealing from jake. probably the best bet you ever made amiright?
If only you had said in Paris! You could have covered your bases
Unless Nadal loses early to Rosol!
"You thought by French Open, I meant Roland Garros? No, that would have just been silly"
I love that this has been brought back. I did lose this one, and I really didn't think I would because I could just see how good Ferrer was playing the last two years. Regardless of how good Nadal is at RG, it surprised me, and absolutely shocked me at the scoreline.
But I still don't regret it because I got to follow Ferrer have another great year, even better than the last. Now he has his first shield, and I couldn't be happier. Guy busts his ass in every match, and he deserves it.
I hope he sneaks a grand slam someday before he retires, but I'm not predicting what, or when, or where this time. I didn't expect him to do that well in Wimby, and I sure as hell didn't see New York coming. If not, he has absolutely no complaints about the finality of his career.
You never know, 2013 or 14 could be very kind to Mighty Mouse. Nadal's knees will probably never be the same, and there's no telling how match fit he'll be come April/May. No one is ever truly unbeatable, and every run must eventually end.
Given a fortunate draw, anything is possible in tennis. And it really would be great to see Mighty Mouse win a slam.
Gotta bump this. Will Ferru finally make the leap?
Ehhh, probably not. He deserves one though!
I'll make another bet with Jake this year.
As long as Nadal has a pulse no.
Maybe...if Nadal, Novak and Fed (and probably even Murray and Delpo) all get broken legs.
So he actually honoured the bet and paid up? I'm definitely surprised.
Also, I feel like you owe me some sort of commission for putting stupid ideas in his head. See here (before you guys made the bet):
Yes he did lol. And it was closer than I though. Ferrer actually had a easy draw, I'm not going to lie, I was slightly worried when he made the Semi-Finals. But after Nadal just annihilated him the first couple sets, I started feeling much better. I remember staying up til about 10 AM to watch that match too.
Actually, when I proposed the bet, I said I'll bet you a thousand bucks he won't make it past the Semi-Finals. He then gave me an even better bet where the only way he could win is if Ferrer won the whole tournament. If Ferrer simply made the final and lost, we wouldn't owe each other anything. I promptly accepted, because while there isn't a lock when it comes to gambling, that seemed as close as you get to it.
OP--- No way. Ferrer doesn't have the firepower to win anything more than a 1000.
Ferrer has only won 1 big event in his (already long) career. And it wasn't even on clay (Paris indoor). He's also notorious for faring poorly against the top players in big matches. Djoko, Fed or Delpo (even Murray) would be more likely if one is looking for an outsider. Nadal has won 7 of the last 8 editions, so not much hope for anyone else anyway...
LOL at the title
Perhaps the winner of Barcelona if Nadal doesn't show up.
I'm starting to wonder if maybe this thread was a year too early. I'm not saying Ferrer will win, but given all the withdrawals and the fact that in theory (assuming no rigged draws) he has a 50/50 chance of being in Federer's half with Novak/Rafa together in the other, his chances seem much greater than last year (which isn't saying much to be fair). As one indication, he has pushed Nadal on clay much more than in past years.
Also, given Federer's form, if they're in the same half I think Ferrer has a realistic chance at making the Final. At that point it just becomes a question of how badly Nadal and Djoker beat each other up in the Semi. It would probably need to be pretty comprehensive for Ferrer to have a shot against one of them in the Final, but if it's a 6-hour 5-set marathon like last year's AO, I can't rule Ferrer out entirely.
Ferrer will never win a slam, and he is not winning RG. Even if he did make the final he will just lose swiftly in straights to Cvac in what would surely be a final to rival the 2008 demolition job Nadal put down on Fed. It would be a terrible final and not worth watching.
Ah, let's keep in mind that Ferrer is 0-14 against Federer, and has won a grand total of three sets through their 14 encounters, including one set in five clay-court meetings.
+ 1. Was about to say exactly that.
I just think Federer is a terrible matchup for Ferrer.
There is absolutely NO WAY that Ferrer can beat Federer over 5 sets. The Rome beatdown was just an illusion, Fed was playing fine all week and seems to have regain some momentum.
He will have a chance if:
1. He is in the same half with Federer.
2. Federer loses before the semifinals.
3. Djokovic beat Nadal in five-hour SF match.
Even if all this happen, tired Djokovic would be a favorite in the final...
Ferrer cant win. Even if he played Nadal close recently he is never beating him in a best of 5 on clay. Maybe if he had an actual win to give him some confidence in the last 2 matches but he doesnt, and now if they meet at RG it wont even be that close, I guarantee it.
While I dont expect Federer to be a big factor at RG (although if Nadal and Djokovic end up on the other half and he gets a draw with no dangerous players at all he could make the final to be crushed by Nadal or Djokovic), he will still beat Ferrer almost 100% for sure if they play.
Then Djokovic. I guess he has an outside shot vs Djokovic as he has a good H2H on clay, but only outside. He has barely ever played prime Djokovic on clay, and I doubt he would match up as well vs that one (and he did lose that one in the only meeting in 2011, even if that was a more super Djokovic than the ensuing years of prime Djokovic).
So 3 players he cant beat, or atleast 2 and one he has little shot against. Then alot of other guys who can take him out, just look at RG history and all the losses. So his chances of winning are something less than 1%. The withdrawals dont even help him much. Murray was never likely impeding his RG progress in anyway, and nor were ever Del Potro who he owns of late, or Wawrinka.
People seem to be overlooking the fact that I never actually said Ferrer would beat Federer in the Semis, just that he'd have a realistic chance if they were in the same half. Fed could easily go down to someone like Berydch or Tsonga in the QFs, who could then easily go down to Ferrer in the Semis (Ferrer generally owns the 2nd tier).
Then again, I guess the same could be said for Djoker, who Tsonga had on the ropes last year. Regardless of whether he's in Djoker or Federer's half, Ferrer is only one major early round upset away from essentialy being the favourite to make the final.
Is Daveed Ferrer related to Judge Alex,,Alex Ferrer or José Ferrer the actor ?
Yeah, so Ferrer just proves his all-surface credentials.
As much of a FEDAL girl as I am, I do too.
I was at the USO 2012 semi where it was windy and he was systematically dismantling Nole’s game. Nole doesn’t like to play in the wind. It showed.
(If TPTB had moved that semi to Armstrong, instead of waiting a year and a day for Muzz to finish off Berd-itch, I believe Ferru would have been in that final. Spilled milk, though.)
I just don't think Ferrer can outlast someone in the finals if he made it there. Most times ive watched his matches, he comes out strong on a first set, but seems to tire out and lose the next sets off unforced errors. He fights back with amazing shots, but to me he just seems to fade out and give his opponent a chance against him. Nadal seems to tire out mid second set, then come back strong to finish up, and that seems to get into peoples heads imo and force errors on themselves.
His matches are exciting to me just because you never know which Ferrer you'll get. Strong, amazing placement, or unforced error champ.
http://youtu.be/2C9l_ciKGJQ?t=16m53s - David Ferrer in a nutshell
Ferrer hasn't lost a set, and destroyed last two opponents.
There are good chances for the final (although I'm rooting for Tsonga).
I don't suppose you could pick some lottery numbers for me?
He has a good chance vs. Tsonga. There isn't much to go on, but he does lead the h2h 2-1, including a 6-2, 7-5 win on hard, and a 6-4, 6-1 win on clay. But, Tsonga has won the only Slam match in straight sets on grass. Plus, the clay win for Ferrer was years ago, and I'd argue that Tsonga wasn't playing as good of clay court tennis.
Regardless, this is pretty much a toss up as far as I'm concerned. The crowd seems to help Tsonga, rather than making him uneasy. I can really see this going either way.
The guy has a chance.
His only chance is if both Nadal and Djoko lose before final. How likely is that? Right.
Seriously though.How cool would it be to see Ferrer win this tourney? It would be similar to when Ivanisevic finally won Wimbledon. Nobody deserves a major more than Ferrer. I would love to see him win.
Ferrer can win. It's not unheard of for an upset to take place.
But a lot will have to go wrong, and Ferrer would have to play his very very best for that to even remotely become a possibility.
Not going to happen.
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