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  1. Arvid

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    Is this really true? Makes you wonder what head is doing these days. When ure trying to sell rackets its not just about having a good player endorsing them, its about finding someone that plays nice tennis ie the way people would want to play. Thats why Agassi sold a million more rackets then Sampras. Now this kid has all the makings, beautiful strokes great potential, even austrian!
     
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  2. ManChild

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    watching heineken open and there he is, with pure strike.
     
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  3. King_roger

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    I am wondering why HEAD did our Austrian pride let go… :-?

    http://t e n n i s n e t .com/de/herren/atp/4636564/Dominic-Thiem_Wechsel-zu-Babolat-Aufschlag-in-die-neue-Saison
     
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    Hört sich ungefähr so schlau an wie der Schlägerausflug von Tsonga oder Verdasco… Mal sehen was daraus wird.

    (Translation: Sounds about as smart as the racquet trips Tsonga and Verdasco have done lately… Let's see what becomes of this)
     
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  5. West Coast Ace

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    I was shocked too when I heard he was practicing at Auckland with a Bab.

    Would love to get the inside dirt on this. Did Head think he would give them a 'hometown discount'? Did he and his team feel a lack of respect?

    Could be an epic mistake.

    I think he should have fired his agent before switching... :)
     
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  6. ManChild

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    Anybody know thiems' grip size?
     
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  7. nitram0393

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    interesting step -haven't seen this coming, especially when he switched to the new speed (paintjob) last autumn. :confused:
    Maybe Head didn't want to build an own pro stock model for Thiems liking (if he was really using a stock Prestige before) and babolat did one for him. Or its just all about the money. :twisted:
     
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  8. jarko111

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    He's the first man I've seen with Pure Strike while watching these early events before the Aussie Open.
    I've seen Stosur, Lucic-Baroni, Cornet and a few women I've never heard of with them.
     
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  9. MisterP

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    A PST endorsement!? That's unpossible.

    Or, you know, maybe it was just a great racquet all along.
     
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  10. McLovin

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    Except the Stosur & Cornet aren't using the Pure Strike, they're using the Pure Control/Storm mold with a Strike PJ, customized to their specs.

    See http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=522245&page=3#45
     
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  11. MisterP

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    [​IMG]
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    Definitely a Pure Strike frame. See how the throat starts with a wide box beam off the handle and tapers down to a much narrower box-ish beam.
     
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  12. jarko111

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    Good pic. Looks like the real deal. Always nice when players are painted up with what they're actually using :)
     
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    Wtf... head lets their highest ranked austrian player slip away.
     
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  14. RalphJ

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    Hopefully, Thiem's use an input will translate over to the retail/ production models.

    Looks like a few posts got deleted from these threads.
     
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  15. jiddy-p

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    I've not played this racket, but I've picked it up and swung it in a store, and it feels somehow appealing. Very thin, quite light, agile, feels like it will have low drag resistance. Would love to have a hit with it.
     
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  16. El_Yotamo

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    Technically so are Stosur, Cornet, etc. if you look in this thread:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=522245
    You will see Babolat is coming out with a new line of the strikes which are basically strike pain job with pure control mold. They are yet to determine specs however. Also if you look closely at one of the pictures you can see "flex carbon" written on the side of the frame, meaning it isn't the standard strike paint job anyways, but the new line, the Pure Strike CTRL.
     
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  17. El_Yotamo

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    Also the picture to look at is post #7, but I highly recommend reading the whole thread anyways!
     
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  18. Nostradamus

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    Great find and Pic. Does this racket work well for 1-handed backhand players too ?
     
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    Seriusly?! How do you come up with those question? No it's handle is too long, you can only use it two handed
     
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  20. jarko111

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    I watched the match he played against Struff and I have to say it's the first match of his I've watched. I've heard he's a maestro with the backhand.. but I think it's an odd one-handed technique. His take back isn't clunky.. but it's not exactly textbook. It's kind of squared off on how he lines the racket head up.. and he doesn't always come all the way around with the swing.
    Some of them had tremendous pop on them regardless. I mean, it's odd.. but it's not clunky. It's not like say.. James Blakes unnatural swing.. but it's not as fancy as Fed/Dimitrov
     
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  21. Nostradamus

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    If he can just take few lessons from Stan the Man, Dominick will be #1 in the world someday. I agree with you on technique flaws on his 1 -handed backhand. I think that wing will always be his weaker wing. but he can clean it up by emulating Stan the man.

    Also it might even be better if he switches to Yonex but then that is another story...........lol
     
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  22. McLovin

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    I've often thought about blocking AceOfFed, but I can't seem to bring myself to do it. It's like watching a train wreck: You know what's coming, and you know it isn't going to be pretty, but yet you watch it anyway...
     
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  23. Nostradamus

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    So you are saying You Don't want Dominick to take some lessons from Stan the man ??? I really think that will help him dominate........
     
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  24. vsbabolat

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    I guess Graphene is not where its at......
     
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  25. hirschi80

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    first lessen should be to pick the right racquet..with this babolat pure strike he will be kept down for at least another year. lol
     
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  26. Nostradamus

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    what is it about the pure strike you don't like ?
     
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  27. jarko111

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    I don't know what it is he doesn't like about it.. but it's not exactly been a well-received racquet anywhere on this forum. Some people take issue with the fact most of the players using it aren't really using it.. and the one's that are using it are using some other version of it.

    Then, people hate the look of it.. say the pj is too loud, etc. I dunno. Seems like a lot of negativity surrounds the whole topic that is the "pure strike" so far these 2 weeks of tennis.
     
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  28. MisterP

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    Most of what I hear that's negative about the Strike frames has to do with the feel. I've heard "tinny" and "harsh" a lot. I've also heard some people say it doesn't have a consistent response.

    The only issue I have with the Pure Strike Tour has to do with maneuverability. It's not as quick in side-to-side transitions as I want it to be. A little sluggish at the net and can be tough on returns. Other frames that are just as heavy seem to have better maneuverability, e.g. RF97.
     
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  29. Ferbious

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    the racquet isnt forgiving at all either, i was stuck between that and the tfight but the strike never gave you power for defenssive and off center shots
     
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  30. jarko111

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    Found another "Striker" and a man at that - Michael Venus of New Zealand is the second guy I've seen with one. His match is on the Tennis Channel from Auckland on my DVR. Playing a Frenchman Pouille
     
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  31. Rubens

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    From what I heard, Babolat created the Pure Strike Tour as Tsonga's custom racquet, taylored to his every whim and desire, from the specs to the paint job, everything. In return, they were counting on him to represent and promote the Strike line. Then he ditches it after a few months to go back to his old racquet. I'm not blaming the guy, as I understand that winning is the most important thing. Still, this must've been a slap in the face of the Babs team.
     
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  32. jarko111

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    Yes, I remember Brad Gilbert point that out. Said that he started with a "red" racquet and was back to his old stick. But, my goodness, so many Babolat players were switching things up last spring. I think Ryan Harrison and Jerzy Janowizc just to name two went through three babolats before they both ended up with Pure Drives.
     
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  33. Kalethan

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    I hope Thiem sticks with it, and I hope the racquet makes it. I for one really loved the Pure Strike Tour for 80% of my shots. It was incredible for hitting very hard and flat, and had a great type of spin from the babolat woofer system even with the 18x20 pattern. It sounds tinny but did not hurt my arm at all, though I am very prone to tennis elbow and have had to stop using other Babolat frames. I found that the super thin face-on beam mixed with the 23mm beam width led to a crazy aerodynamic problem where when you swing it at an angle (as one must in these crazy modern times to create 'spin') the frame wobbles, as the air cannot decide whether to go under or over the edge. I think young pros who can practice all the time might be able to retool their games to take advantage of the racquet's truly impressive positive points, and maybe learn around the essential aerodynamic waffling. Sure, this is just My experience of the racquet, but it is shared by others I've talked to, and corroborated by an exhaustive year of watching video of every pro user I could find starting way back before the racquets were released to the public. But, I honestly believe that most people buy them for the badass look and the slick marketing campaign. People who have already gotten very good with more traditional frames seem largely unable to stick with this frame style due to the sensation that it wobbles or warbles at high swing speeds unless it is being swung face on, flat as a pancake.

    Sorry this is so long. As I post every day or two, I Really want Babolat to release an Aero Strike with a 16x20 pattern and 64 or lower RA ... and this is basically the only forum in the world where I can actually communicate with people who would even know what that means ... ;)

    addict out,

    ez
     
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  34. Babolat Official

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    It was the Pure Strike 100.

    We let players choose the products best for their game.
     
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  35. racquetreligion

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    Michael Venu, very good all rounder was beaten by a very in form Pouille. Venu is much better than his ranking shows, he is easily a top 100 player while Pouille with be top 50 very soon but the match was very high quality.

    Dominick did beat Stan with this OHBH you are trashing, it actually works better for the modern game taking the ball early almost a halve volley. He can change its direction with great ease and will be a force with some more experience as he doesnt hold back on his shots much like a young F Gonzales.
     
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  36. alexwawrinka

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    What s this red string ? [​IMG]
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  37. Arvid

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    Dont know if its the raquet but hes not exactly been doing great since he switched to the pure strike. Which makes you kind of wonder why in the heck did he ditch the prestige if the answer is not as simple as money. If u have a raquet that youre comfortable with and especially at his stage in the career...DONT SWITCH! No stick is a magic wand and youre more likely to play worse then better with something youre not used to...
     
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  38. dgoran

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    $$$$$$$ that's why...Also often people you trust will give you bad advice because of $$$ too...Agassi covers this in his book when they were talking him into switching
     
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  39. Alex78

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    Seems like we have two losers here - at least for the moment being.
    Thiem is finding it hard to adjust to his new racket, but let's hope he'll overcome these problems and continue to rise up in the rankings eventually. Still, he's at the beginning of his career, so you really have to wonder why he switched to a racket that on all accounts is not just a clone of his old stick, which he had probably been using for quite some time (or at least the various iterations of the Prestige).
    Head let the one and only major tennis hope Austria has slip away. With all due respect, Thiem could be a second Muster. And Head is the only racket brand still located in Austria. Also, we all know the Prestige line is lacking a bonafide super star (Marin Cilic aside), it's basically up for grabs with consideration to who endorses it.
    And I just have to wonder if a) Babolat offered so much more money than Head and b) Thiem is really convinced moving away from the Prestige would benefit his game.
     
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  40. dgoran

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    Fed and nadal made a switch probably at the same point of their ATP career give it take but their switch was not too drastic since imho pure drive to aero pro is not that different as well as 85 to 90 pro staff

    Thiem went from nice feel frame to total $h1t frame but looks like dimitrov is doing the same...

    On the other hand I would not be surprised is thiem switches to pure control tour in short while
     
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  41. EasternRocks

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    What's the red string? Kirschbaum PLII, Red Code, Revenge are my guesses.
     
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  42. Kalethan

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    THIEM STRINGS WITH ASHAWAY ZYEX MONOFILAMENT PASS IT ON*



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  43. racquetreligion

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    Probably Thiems connection with this new Strike old head calibre replica goes deeper than than most of us know?
    Have a look at 3bay for the Vintage HEAD CALIBRE TOUR 660 Tennis Racket Muster Trysis Pro Prestige Austria

    Thiem wants to use this frame for his own roots from Muster like Fed did with the PS but definitely Babo cant get it right?

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    Yeah exactly. He's moved to a completely different frame and doesn't have as much feel for the ball anymore it seems. Perhaps he is reading these forums where they prescribe more "modern" racquets in order to solve issues with his game.
     
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  45. Arvid

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    Wow that looks like a very interesting racket! A tweener with solid classic head feel, would love to try!
     
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  46. RalphJ

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    Very well said. I've tried all the Strikes and couldn't quite put my finger on the weird sensation when hitting with it. I tried lead on all the frames, but it still had the weird wobble feel. I'm glad someone explained it.
     
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  47. racquetreligion

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    Its actually better than the PStrk for feel but I found all these frames need weight on the throat and shaft.

    If they had more mass there from the start like a APD the stability issue would solved as many MFRs have tried this design (wilson, Fox, Prince and Spalding) and mostly failed. Some had a V instead of a Y and had more stability.

    This current Babo offering suits 60s, 70s players using conti grips :lol:
     
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    I strung for him this past week. He is using an off the shelf pure strike 18/20.

    Red string is origin 16g
    Black string is rpm 17g at 26kg.

    However, I suggested for him to try gut mains and rpm crosses and he really liked it so might be sticking with that set up.

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  49. RalphJ

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    Wow Drak, do you happen to have the specs? Amazing he uses a stock PS
     
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    337g, 330 bal, 345 sw
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