Things Roger must accomplish to be become the GOAT

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  1. Tchocky

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    1. Win the French Open, preferably Nadal in the final. If he wins the French without beating Nadal, then the haters will ask that an asterisk be placed next to his name. Winning 2 titles would also eliminate the haters who would call his win a fluke, especially if he doesn't have to play Nadal.

    2. Beat Borg's Wimbledon record of 5 consecutive titles. He can accomplish that by winning this year and next year.

    3. Break Sampras' record of 14 Grand Slam titles by winning 5 more GS titles. The soonest he can achieve this is by next year.

    4. Win a Gold medal in the Summer Olympics.

    5. Beat Canas before he gets suspended again.
     
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  2. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    he is already the goat, unlike sampras or agassi, roger just craps all over his opponents, sure he lost to canas, but if he was in the ao, he woulda lost in straight sets to federer too.
     
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    Win twice the calendar-year Grand Slam, like Laver did.

    I do not think that will happen during the lifetime of any current generation.
     
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  4. CyBorg

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    Fair enough.

    He doesn't have to do this.

    Only if he plays as long as Sampras did.

    No one cares about this.

    Wouldn't hurt.
     
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  5. CyBorg

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    More stupid, uninformed postings. Laver's first calendar slam was against inferior opposition. His second was an amazing feat as it was accomplished in the Open era, but I'm not convinced it's more amazing than winning 8 slam titles in 3 years.
     
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  6. Moose Malloy

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    Play a match with a wood racquet(normal scoring, best of 3 sets)

    Its impossible to compare tennis players of different eras because of equipment, imagine if baseball used metal bats, would their records have any meaning?
     
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  7. diegaa

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    I agree on 1 to 3.
    4 is a nonsens. Who cares?
    5 is just a stupid assumption.
     
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  8. tintin

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    win RG beating Nadal in the finals,not a damn thing else:lol:
    the rest of the players have to compete with each other for the crumbs of Federer...and Nadal if someone takes them down or if they are out injured to win a tournament:lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  9. urban

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    Federer 'must' do nothing. He has already done so much, that one can call him a great player today. That is imo the greatest thing, you can call a player with some objectivity. The 'goat' thing is a completely subjective judgement. Tilden and Laver stood the test of time, the most critical test of real greatness. If Federer will be still talked about on the internet in 50 years time, i will bow my head (if i am still alive then).
     
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  10. Wolbo

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    Either 1. or 3. is more than enough for GOAT status, both are not needed.
     
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  11. edmondsm

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    Win the calender slam this year. Finish with two Frenchies or more. Nobody can argue it if he does that. IMO if he wins the Grand Slam this year he's the GOAT.
     
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    I agree. In addition, If fed were to win a calendar slam it would blow away what Laver did. It would be on 4 completely different surfaces, opposed to the 2 surfaces Laver accomplished it on.
     
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  13. Shaolin

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    Easy. Win the French, plus win four more majors of his choice.

    Beating Pete's consecutive year end #1 record and beating/tieing Borgs 5 Wimbledons would be good ideas also but not necessary IMO.
     
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  14. OrangeOne

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    Winning the French is irrelevant: People consider Sampras the GOAT now, and we all know how he did at the FO.

    That said, if you truly believe he must win the FO, beating Nadal there is irrelevant. Nadal is a clay-specialist, and like most clay-superheroes, will likely fade this year or next, and be forgotten about in a few years. Why should the greatest player of all time have to necessarily beat a super-hot player on their pet surface? No-one said Sampras had to beat, say, Muster or Kuerten on clay in a final....

    So you're saying if Fed doesn't win either this or next W for whatever reason, loses, injured, etc, he must then win 6 consecutive W titles starting next year or the year after to still have a chance at being GOAT? Even if, say, he wins a FO or two? I don't agree with this consecutive clause at all, because if he loses either this year or next, he'd be pretty much zero-chance of GOAT, full-stop.

    Agreed, but only because this one is the one sooo many people judge on.

    Irrelevant. Nice, but irrelevant. If he wins 18GS including even 1 FO, no-one is going to say "hey, he's missing a Olympics!".

    So a player on a streak beat him twice? Who cares in the scheme of things. Players are going to beat him, and more in the later part of his career (he wants to play until 2012, remember). If he wins 18GS including even 1 FO, no-one is going to say "hey, that Canas guy who was previously suspended for drugs beat him twice in 2007....".
     
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    In reality the competition wasn't good until the 80's. Even during Borg's reign he was playing dentists in the early rounds. Now everybody in the top 100 is making six figures a year.....playing tennis.
     
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    2 Grand Slams will never be blown away, but will stay forever in the record books. Let's see, whether Federer could win only one. And the 'reality', that the competition wasn't good until the 80s, seems to be wishful thinking.Can anybody say with some experience in tennis, that Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Robredo or Davydenko would be in the top ten anytime in the 60s, 70s, or 80s? Better than Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Smith, Ashe, Roche, Kodes, Nastase, Emerson, Santana or Borg, Mac, Vilas, Connors, Gerulaitis, Panatta, Orantes, Fibak, Tanner? Come on.
     
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  17. caulcano

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    All of the above would only be in an ideal world (fantasy).
     
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  18. whistleway

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    It is very simple.

    Just win a French Open or get 15 slams, Federer would be in the GOAT talk with Laver.

    To be an undisputed one, he would have to get to 15 or more with a French Open as well. And a calendar slam. Then, he will be the undisputed GOAT.

    QED.
     
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  19. harrpau7

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    I think Federer needs to win the French Open, and perhaps beat Sampras' 14 slams, but I don't think that is as important as winning the French Open (and beating Nadal in the final)
     
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  20. 127mph

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    he can do it if he wins a granslam this year, it would be in the process of 6 slams in a row, and 5 wimbys 2 aus and 4 us opens. if he did a grandslam this year, bye bye laver.
     
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    he needs to grow some real big horns on his head. horns that start at the top of his forehead and spiral back around his ears.

    then whenever he wins a match and his opponent comes to the net to shake his hand - Roger grabs his opponent's hand, pulls him real close and in the same movement, butts him right in the face!
     
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  22. BigServer1

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    If Federer were to win the Grand Slam this year, he would have:

    5 straight Wimbledons, 4 straight US Opens, A Calendar and thus, the Career Slam, 13 total slams, 200+ consecutive weeks at #1, and the biggest thing in my opinion would be 9 of the last 10 slams, and 6 in a row. All this at an age of 26. Albeit a big if, if he did this, it would be immortality.
     
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  23. Gilgamesh

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    I wouldn't say it is irrelevant. Not winning the FO is possibly the most popular argument against Pete being the greatest.

    If Fed ties Pete in every other category (# of GS, # of titles, # of years as ranked #1, and etc.) winning the FO would conclusively push Fed ahead of Sampras for many people.

    Winning a FO would do more than winning another US Open or AO for Federer's legacy. Plus if he can win this year's FO he would hold all four GS at once and his path to a calender GS just became much easier.

    I agree though. It's not that important if he beats Nadal for a FO title. It would be icing on the cake but not necessary.

    If Federer could match Borg's consecutive Wimby titles record that would be great. If he could match or surpass Sampras' Wimby titles record that would be even better. Both are not necessary. He can go the rest of his career and not win another Wimby and most people won't care how it affects his greatness that is as long as he still surpasses Pete's GS record.

    Surpassing Pete's GS record is probably the most important thing Federer has to do in most peoples' eyes to secure his legacy as the greatest ever. But lets say he wins a FO, ends the year as #1 seven times, wins 65+ titles, 800+ wins with a better winning % than Pete, and 300+ weeks ranked #1. Even if he only wins 12-13 GS but manages to do all that Federer has strong argument over Pete as the greatest. But public and media perception says 15 is the magic number.

    Seriously if Federer does all the things the OP said and along the way wins a calender GS then Federer will be the "consensus greatest player ever" which is a title that neither Sampras, Laver, Federer, or any player who deserves to be in such a discussion currently holds. That or he wins 18+ GS and all four. Yeah that would do it too.
     
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    being dominant on clay
     
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  25. FedFan_2007

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    If Roger wins the French Open he's GOAT. Several reasons:

    1. He completes the career slam.
    2. He achieves the NCYGS, a super achievement.
     
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  26. avmoghe

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    He needs at least 1 Grand slam to even come close to rivaling Laver's accomplishment.

    Sampras is essentially irrelevant in the discussion - if Federer wins a Grand Slam, He'll have 13 Slams. I doubt anyone whose opinion actually matters will claim Sampras was the greater player just because he managed to win 2 more slams.
     
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