Thinking about going to the dark side

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  1. garbage

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    Been playing for about 20 years, and I've never really sorted out my one handed backhand drive/topspin. There's a lack of consistency there and I usually end up hitting skidding slices unless the opponent has the net covered. Now I'm thinking of trying a two hander. What's there to know with this stroke? Which hand should be the dominant one (for a right hander)? I played a bit of shadow tennis in the lounge, and it felt a little more natural hitting the stroke like a left handed forehand with the right hand acting more as support.
     
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  2. OrangeOne

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    Mate, I'm in exactly the same situation.

    Read this thread for the answers to many of your questions, and hell, post in there and join the journey:

    Building a two-handed backhand from scratch (in 6 months)
     
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  3. ionutzakis

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    Oh man, if you go the 2HBH route you'll never be satisfied ever again in your life with your backhand I'll tell you that. I know, I play a 2HBH and the tinkering never ends. One think, you can forget ripping DTL backhands.
     
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  4. Mick

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    a two handed backhand is not for me so I learned to run around the backhand to hit a forehand.
     
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  5. Venetian

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    I'm pretty good at ripping DTL backhands actually. Maybe you need to work more on your two-hander.
     
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  6. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    2HBH The Dark-Side?


    Fscking Jerk...

    And to the guy who said you can't rip 2HBH DTL shots, maybe it's not the shot itself, it's just you who can't do it. ;)
     
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  7. nasastevo

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    Footwork

    If you're going to change after 20 years, you might as well know that you're going to have to move A LOT more. You guys are full of BS when it comes to the DTL backhands. I know quite a few people that prefer to hit DTL with their 2HBH. Go get a ball machine, a few lessons, or a buddy that will hit balls to you. You'll be fine as long as you PRACTICE! BTW it's more like a left handed golf swing than anything. Your right hand is still doing most of the work, your left is there for guidance/suppport. Shoulder and trunk rotation is a big part of it too. Have fun.
     
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  8. ionutzakis

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    let's get real, 2HNH DTL don't compare with a 1H DTL, plus you can't disguise it like you do with a 1H
     
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  9. nasastevo

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    Disguise?

    Why not? I've seen some of the greats do it just fine... If anything, your just giving up reach.... Most people that hit 2HBH go to one when they need the extra reach anyway... I personally hit a 1HBH, but have been passed by 2HBH's too many times. Haven't you ever lined up to cover down the line and your 2HBH opponent hits a slow roller cross court? Come on!!!
     
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  10. Tennismastery

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    Quit subjectively labeling a shot as being weaker or stronger. If more than 70% of the top men use a two-hander, it must not be the totally whacked out shot that some of you seem to believe it to be.

    However, from my standpoint, a teaching pro of over 30 years and having trained well over 3000 players, the two-handed backhand is the superior stroke for developing a solid, effective backhand. Most players who have weak or very inconsistent one-handers can use the two-hander to learn new patterns and even discover something new about the backhand. Trying to continue to fiddle with a flawed one-handed backhand will only result in the player reverting back to their flawed form...because it is too close of a swing pattern to their bad technique.

    You will never develop a worse backhand if you try a two-handed stroke with proper technique. You can, however, discover something new and productive with it.
     
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  11. nasastevo

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    Thanks Dave!!

    For putting an end to that thread. I thought I was the only one out there that thought "What the heck are they thinking?" I personally have a great 1HBH that I depend on, but there are many great advantages to a 2HBH. The swing is much more compact, therefore a bit more stable return swing. More power can be generated in less time, etc...
     
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  12. Forehand Forever

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    That's true. I love my 2 handed backhand crosscourt with topspin though. I used to be decent at DTL backhands now I don't think I'm as good.
     
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  13. Photoshop

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    Just for the record I can hit 2h DTL harder than Mathieu.

    Welcome to the darkside, garbage!
     
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  14. tbini87

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    i like my 2hbh also! definitely not the dark side at all. just like with any stroke, with enough practice it can become a weapon. it is a very consistent stroke for me, and when facing big serves my 2hbh rarely lets my down on a return...
     
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  15. Thomas Bird-Itch

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    Thank you ...and by the way, GREAT BOOK!

    You can learn a lot of things here, in Dave's book (Tennis Mastery), and from Hi-Tech Tennis (www.hi-techtennis.com). I basically jumped 3 levels in about a year just by switching to a 2H BH. Consistency is very underrated.

    Many posters on this board will encourage you to believe you're not a REAL player unless you use a 12oz stick and a 1H BH. That's simply not true. The "dark side" is being sucked into the myths that regularly circulate this board.
     
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  16. garbage

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    Lighten up dude.
     
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  17. Venetian

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    I think, and hope, that he was joking when he said that. That's how it looked to me anway. :)
     
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  18. gonevcrazy

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    Agreed! :wink:
     
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  19. dave333

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    Try it. Maybe you will like it. Why stick with something that is mediocre or sucks, when you can try something new that can be awesome?
     
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  20. OrangeOne

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    I've had one solid hitting session with my 2-hander, 2-hours or thereabouts last saturday (see thread link in my first post in this thread). It came as a result of exactly the same frustration as the OP was experiencing, and after over 20 years of tennis. I have a great slice, and a questionable 1HBH, and that shot is really starting to lag behind the rest of my game. I struggle, especially when players thump to my BH.

    Consistency (from that side) is all I'm looking for, my FH will always be the weapon (although if the BH ever overtakes it I'll be outrageously happy with my game :)).

    As for the dark side, these boards are indeed hideously bad for promoting it.
     
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  21. Kevo

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    I hit a mean 1HBH myself, but I would typically recommend a 2HBH for most people. A 1HBH requires better footwork and preparation IMO, and it's easier to return typically with a 2HBH. So you should at least give it a shot if you can't seem to improve your 1HBH.
     
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  22. shindemac

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    Why is a 2HBH going to the dark side?! IF anything, I would imagine a Sith Lord would use 2 rackets and have 2 forehands.

    Anyways, I use a 2HBH cause it gives me unlimited power!
     
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  23. rorschack

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    Don't go to the dark side! You will not be a GOAT if you hit 2HBH. :) Plus, you will not get bonus style point either!
     
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  24. garbage

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    Bring back the style bonus points! Then we wouldn't have to be subjected to Maria Sharapova!
     
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  25. garbage

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    I dunno, it's damn effective, but it just looks a bit unco to me. Even the pros.
     
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  26. garbage

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    That's part of my problem. I've been running around it for so long that my backhand is now under-developed relative to the rest of my game.
     
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  27. bad_call

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    i can hit with either but like Kevo posted, more footwork is required for the 1HBH. however i choose the 1HBH over the 2HBH cause i feel like dancing...
     
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  28. Thomas Bird-Itch

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    garbage, I think we all missed a few of your original questions. Basically a 2H is like a forehand on the other side, your left being dominant since you're a righty. Keys for me were good shoulder turn/footwork, dropping the racquet a little to get topspin, and fixing my elbow & wrist through the stroke. You don't want to slap at it with your wrists, which many people do.

    I think it's NoBadMojo who advocates practicing a left handed forehand. I think that's good advice, but I've never really tried it.
     
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  29. bizzle

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    2hbh is more powerful, ill take it
     
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  30. Mick

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    I tried 2hbh for a few strokes and decided it was not for me. My 1hbh is way better than my 2hbh so I might as well spending more time practicing my 1hbh than switching to a 2hbh and re-learning the stroke from the beginning.
     
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  31. J011yroger

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    DTL backhand is one of my more deadly shots, I probably hit double the amout of DTLBH winners as I do crosscourt.

    Actually in my playing experience, I find it very very rare for a one hander to be able to regularly burn me down the line, especially if I am taking it to them hard crosscourt. If I am either pounding them with ISOFH or CCBH in a rally, I can cheat to the BH side and look for something I can take down the line with an Inside-In FH or DTL BH. Whereas with the better 2hbh players they can take that ball straight down the line compared to the one handers who hit it off the line towards the middle of the court (Not counting the errors for being late and putting in in the dubs alley).

    Then again Tommy Haas doesn't play in local open tourneys here, so not saying it can't be done, just saying I rarely fear it from open level players.

    If it matters I hit very heavy topspin and pace, which is also more difficult to change direction on.

    As far as disguise...I really dunno what you are talking about there, I think it is very easy for a two hander to disguise his shots. (Unless you are talking about disguising slice vs. top, because I am talking about crosscourt vs. DTL.)

    To the OP please read post #145 in my stroke inventory, I put some good info in there.

    J
     
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  32. Rickson

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    Don't do it! Stick with the 1 hander at all cost!
     
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  33. thundaga

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    i cant believe people were saying how u'll need to kiss the DTL away with a 2h bh!! its so much easier to change direction with 2 hands!
     
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  34. J011yroger

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    Also take 3 45lb weight plates and put them in a backpack, and play with that. That way you can say, yea, I lost but I am so manly I play with 135lbs extra on my back.

    Why on earth would you carry on with something that is impeding you when there is a chance that discarding it would help you play better.

    J
     
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  35. salsainglesa

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    hello... I have a one handed backhand, thats the first bh i used and kept with it for a year and a half. After not getting pace, and lots of dificulty on the high balls, i decided to switch to a 2 hander. it was going great actually. I tried many combinations of grips, and finally decided to get a combo of semi western in the left hand and continental in the right. i am right handed. i started building confidence, and paace, and lots of top spin. and one magical day, i tried again my 1 handed backhand against a weak opponent. with all the work i made with the 2hander, the 1 handed backhand got a lot more fluent. I think it helped me correct all the foot work, and gave me a good sense for hitting from the weak side of the body. My brain was rewired and all the misstrust in the backhand side dissapeared. Now my 1 hander is my best stroke. I was training 8 hours a week in that period of time, about one year ago. ONE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT everything you learn will create conections in your brain that will help developement. Here i learned to calculate the ball from that side, and how the racket works. And also, you have to take one less step to reach the ball with a one hander, wich translates in one step less to recover, that is 2 steps, and in a rally of 10 strokes, means 20 steps less, much less energy used that can be directed somehow else.
     
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