This final, this court... this is a shame to the sport.

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  1. BreakPoint

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    They need to ban poly strings IMMEDIATELY. If they don't, they need to make the tennis court 1/2 the size because being able to hit the ball as hard as you can and still have the ball land inside the court was never imagined when the sport was invented and they standardized the current size of the court. If tennis was invented today with today's racquets and strings, the court would be half the size. There is supposed to be a penalty for trying to hit the ball hard in that the ball might go out, but that's no longer even part of the equation anymore which is an abomination. That's why the artists can no longer compete as only the physical brutes like Nadal and Serena win everything.
     
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    Ugly sourpuss thread.
     
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  3. BreakPoint

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    Got any other live 2013 US Open men's finals for me to watch?
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    deleted.....
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    New York Marathon champions? Yes.

    Tennis champions? No.
     
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    I love the way it makes you dinosaurs that can't let go of the old time boring tennis so mad.

    These 2 guys play the best tennis the sport has ever seen and would wipe the court against any of your old time S+V players.
     
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  7. Tennis_Monk

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    Not familiar with Rios and Rusedski match at IW. I am familiar with the 90's and Agassi/becker/courier/Sampras etc. There are some great matches for sure and there are some borefests as well.

    I dont know or care about slowing of surfaces. I like the game the way they are playing now. I was never a fan of "hit a ball and make a mad dash to net " era.

    I agree with you on one thing. You seem to implying that there are portions of seasons where other styles are needed to succeed (Ie Wimby Vs French). I think i would like that. I think 2-3 week a year of "Mad dash to net " tennis isnt a bad idea just not more than that though.
     
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    trolling upon trolling. take it down.
     
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  9. Ajosin

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    Fed beat Sampras to stop the streak at Wimby in 2001. The one match we have between Sampras and these guys suggests you are wrong since Fed is better than Sampras and Nadal beats Fed.

    Also, Nadal would make Sampras look like a club player at RG.
     
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  10. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Enough with the hate & crying.
     
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    It's funny how people bemoan the game being dumbed down for casuals.

    From what I'm seeing on TV and the people reporting on these major events tennis seems to be doing alright. As long as the stars are there, people will come out and watch.

    Courts have slowed down(and they started slowing down before Nadal or Djokovic or Murray were known on tour, with Wimbledon - THE tennis event - leading the way) because the guys in charge wanted more baseline rallies. And you must admit that we have had some astounding baseline quality in the last decade or so.

    If a certain category of people feels that tennis today has turned into a sham, they should simply stop watching this sport. That's the normal and logical thing to do. No amount of complaining on a forum will change anything.

    You should stick around though. Why? Because these surface changes come in cycles and in all honesty, tennis courts can hardly get any slower so the only natural way to go is faster, in some events at least.
     
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  12. PeteD

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    They should just change the name of the sport to "Spanish Tennis." Spanish tennis has a lot of variety. It has red slow courts, green slow courts, and blue slow courts.
     
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  13. ultradr

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    Wimbledon and US Open slowed in 2003-2004 dramatically.

    You liked Federer-Nadal thingy that this slow era produced, haven't you?
     
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  14. ultradr

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    +1,

    This and if we have a bit faster Wimbledon and US Open maybe similar to
    2000-2002 speeds, we should have variety of players.
     
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    All finals should be played on blue clay.
     
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  16. dunlop_fort_knox

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    the fast court era was so boring it became extinct.
     
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    Courts are so much slower now!!!! I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if the pros hit with more spin and pace then they did back then.

    Like this Nadal guy. His fastest serve he ever hit was 135 mph! No wonder he is considered a weak server. I wish he hit like Pete Sampras, his fastest serve was 135 mph, what a beast!

    At least hit with some more spin so the ball will kick faster! Sampras would regularly hit with 1,700 rpm! Thats crazy. Nadals gets a mere 3200 on average: http://jimfawcette.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83420958953ef016761fc619d970b-pi.

    And don't get me started with moonballs!!! I remember when Pete blasted a forehand winner at 93 mph! I'd love to see Nadal try that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKoUrBhhh7k

    Well I guess I can't be mad at this Nadal guy... Its what tennis has become. Clearly all the other pros are adopting this slow defensive style of play. Weak spinny serves, slow forehands. Such a speed decrease: http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~cross/PUBLICATIONS/46. GrandSlamStats.pdf

    TW posters are the best. Its like listening to an 5 year old giving a lecture on physics.
     
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  18. sstchur

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    While I completely agree with you on this point, I also have to admit that I really didn't enjoy watching the final today as much as I'd hoped I would.

    And another poster in this thread, linked to the Sampras/Federer match on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1qYRqf4DA).

    I watched that, and I have to say that I do enjoy that style more, and I lament that it is essentially gone. It would be nice if at least one of the majors still had a surface that rewarded and encouraged that style of play.

    Even if you do prefer the longer, grinding rallies, it's nice to see some substantial variety in playing style when the surface changes. I don't feel like today's pros really alter their style much at all from surface to surface.
     
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  19. Down_the_line

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    Those long rallies that everyone was gasping at: I was able to do that as a kid at my weekly tennis lesson. I mean, what's so amazing? At points both players were just hitting the ball right back to eachother. That 54 shot rally? It was stupid at some points, the way they were pretty much playing catch.

    I miss Federer's shotmaking. :(
     
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  20. BrooklynNY

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    You underestimate how hard they are hitting the ball.

    Imagine the best kid at your tennis lesson just unloading on shots at you, if he unloads 4 shots on you, and you don't handle them well, he will likely hit a winner on the 5th or 6th shot, unless of course you were the best player at your lesson :)

    Some of those shots in that rally were crushed, it wasn't a Simon vs Monfils rally
     
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  21. bullfan

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    Whine, cry, whine... How does one survive as a Fed fan?
     
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  22. millicurie999

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    Right on. Seriously, I wonder if some of you guys have ever watched live tennis. TV slows it down a lot. Those "moonballs" have so much pace, otherwise don't you think Djoker would crush them every single time?
     
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  23. Ajosin

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    WOW! Any similar PDFs with 2009+ data?

    This sure makes folks complaining about slower tennis look silly.
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    How can it be "the best" when what they're doing on the court isn't even "tennis"? :confused:
     
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  25. BreakPoint

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    Only a novice thinks that in tennis, if A beats B and B beats C then of course A must beat C. I guess that must mean Kohlschreiber is better than Nadal since Rosol beat Nadal and Kohlschreiber beat Rosol at last year's Wimbledon.

    BTW, Gaquet won 100% of his serve and volley points against Nadal, and Sampras is 10x better at serve and volley than Gasquet so he would eat Nadal's lunch at the US Open.
     
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  26. BreakPoint

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    Um....Nadal did it ONCE in his entire life in ONE single tournament, while it was routine for Sampras day in and day out throughout his career.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    You do understand that has nothing to do with the slower surfaces, right? Speed of serves and shots are measured as soon as they come off of the racquet, NOT after the ball bounces. A slower surface will cause the ball to slow down significantly AFTER the bounce while a faster surface will not. Of course, the surface cannot affect the speed of the ball after it's hit UNTIL it bounces.
     
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  28. ilovetennis212

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    They need to speed up the court so player must hit the flat winners.
     
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    This is what happens when racket/string technology has no boundaries and is allowed to dictate how the game is played.

    Instead of the best tennis player winning, it is simply the one who uses the newest technology most effectively.

    another +1
     
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  30. Polvorin

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    There is great variety to Spanish tennis, because there is a multitude of altitudes to which a moonball may travel! There is a limit to how low a ball can go, but there is no limit to how high it may go!
     
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  31. coloskier

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    Baseline tennis is not variety. But I get your sarcasm.
     
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    get over it
     
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    Incredible how the world wide media are raving over their tennis. And how the US open sponsor yesterday thanked these guys for promoting the sport so well.
     
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  35. barry

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    I missed the first 2 sets, watched the 3rd until Novak dropped his serve, then turned it off. ATP is getting pretty boring to watch, every point is the same. Watched more doubles than singles thanks to USopen.org.

    I agree they need to speed up the courts. Moon balling and grunting rules the day and makes for boring matches.
     
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  36. RidAH

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    The final was pathetic. It's a sad state for tennis when a player's endurance and forehand max rpm are the best determinants of a champion. That's what greed gets you. Boring tennis and more advertising air time.

    At least Nole got his dip drives working at some point. Made me feel so good. Those all out flat shots were pretty amazing. Alas, you knew it wasn't to last against the consistency of a pusher who retrieves everything and always prioritizes net clearance and safely hitting the court instead of any attempt at winning the points with own shots.
     
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    So interesting, the pic demanded a second look...
     
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    This is probably the dumbest argument i have read in this forum. Not that you are alone in this claim because there are certainly more shallow thinkers around given the number of mcfuentes fans. But please care to explain us how the hell do you correlate that assertion with the fact that tennis peaked in popularity in the 70s when the game was al about s&v and polarized surfaces..i would love too read that .
     
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  40. Roddick85

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    To the untrained eye, long matches and rallies are epic. For most people that grew up in the 80's/90's, those matches are like an HD version of Pong! I watched the final last night because i'm a fan of the sport, but I cannot say I enjoyed the sets where Nadal was just grinding it out. Total bore!
     
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  41. clayqueen

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    Deal with it!
     
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    Bring back the 11 hr, Isner and Mahut marathon. All is forgiven.
     
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    Excerpt of Rafa's presser:


    Q. You have won already Wimbledon, Australian Open, US Open, but everybody until last year had considered you mostly the greatest clay court specialist. For you, you were proud of course to have won eight Roland Garros or whatever. (Laughing.) But it's something different now, because you're proving everyone that you're the greatest or one of the greatest also on hard court? Does it make a difference for you?

    RAFAEL NADAL: No. No, I know I was a good player on hard before six hours before. That don't make a big difference on my career being better player or worse player. Then is a match. You win, you lose, and then the people who well, I understand most of the people say I am, you know, clay court specialist, but is true because I won a lot of tournaments on clay. And because I won that much on clay seems like other things are less, but I was able to play five finals in Wimbledon, I think. Five? Yeah. I was able to play three finals in the US Open. I was able to play two finals in Australian Open to win. I don't know, three Indian Wells, something like this, three Canadian Open.
     
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  44. vive le beau jeu !

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    another tragic day for tennis.
     
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  45. ServingAcesSince1995

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    Excuse my ignorance, but since when did they slowed down the US Open/Wimbledon courts? I knew the Australian has always been slow hard court. I think it's more of the polystring and racket technology (that created the spin game) that slowed down the game.
     
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    Gasquet may have won all his S&V points, but he didn't win all his net points.
     
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    Absolutely true. He was penalized by some for his dominance on clay. With no clay titles, with 5 slams, a HC gold medal and 8 Masters, he would still be an all-time great. Nadal has one less non-clay slam than Djoker has slams, and I would bet on him finishing with as many non-clay slams as McEnroe or, possibly, Agassi have slams.
     
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    Stop talking nonsense. The slowest Wimbledon was 2002.
     
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    Exactly! Nadal's forehand is 100% a result of his big, lightweight, powerful, aerodynamic modern racquet and his poly strings. Give him a wood racquet strung with gut and let's see how effective that forehand is.
     
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  50. BreakPoint

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    That was one of the most exciting, suspenseful, tensest matches I've ever seen in the past 40 years! I kept thinking one of these two guys has got to crack mentally or physically, but neither did for days! Imagine the incredible pressure to have to hold serve to stay in the match 64 TIMES IN A ROW!!!!! Mahut deserves some kind of Lifetime Achievement Award.
     

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