This forum's gotten dull. Time to stir up some trouble.

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by circusmouse, May 4, 2007.

  1. circusmouse

    circusmouse Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    367
    Here's an excerpt from Peter Bodo's Tennis.com blog (http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2007/05/io.html):

    "Anyway, Pete (Sampras) told me that he finally took the plunge and went to a 95 sq. inch racquet, which is all of five square inches larger than the last one he used on tour and the current Federer wand of choice. He felt comfortable making the switch, he said, because of the new Luxilon strings (which he also uses). 'The trouble for me when I was playing on the tour was that I liked gut, and I found I just didn't have enough control when I tried bigger racquets. But I found these Luxilon strings, and when I mix them with gut, I get a great combination of power and control, even with the 95-inch racquet.'"

    "In this, Pete was echoing what Andy Roddick had said about the Luxilon strings a few months ago, citing James Blake as a prime example of a player who really benefited from the new strings, which apparently allow you to take big cuts, yet still keep the ball from flying out. In fact, after last night's match, Pete told the press: 'I wish I'd had them (the Luxilon strings) when I was trying to win the French. I'm not as quick now, but I'm hitting the ball great.'"

    Hmm. So Pete thinks the MP racquets aren't so bad if you use poly strings. Moreover, he's saying that gut doesn't work well on MP racquets. He doesn't quite say that a MP with poly is better than a mid with gut on fast surfaces, but he does imply that polys correct the only problem he had with MP racquets to begin with. Roddick's claims that big hitting fast court players like Blake benefit most from the polys. So if MP with poly is best on clay and apparently provides an advantage to fast court specialists, then what is the purpose of hitting with mids strung with gut? It might feel good, but it sounds like a disadvantage. Does anyone care to discuss?
     
    #1
  2. circusmouse

    circusmouse Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    367
    Also: before people start saying that the mid/gut setup is better for volleys, let me just point out that Pete, a S&V guy in my opinion, didn't say he was hitting well from the baseline. He said he was hitting great. No qualifiers.
     
    #2
  3. tursafinov

    tursafinov Rookie

    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    205
    I agree it has been boring.

    You get serious PROPS for reading Bodo.

    If we were all under the impression that Pete was using the same mold as Federer, how could it be that he admits to using a 95''.
    and furthermore saying it was only 5'' bigger than the last racquet he used on tour.

    Maybe that's why Bodo writes instead of teaching algebra.
    I'd like to know which luxilon pete is using.
    I'm assuming Alu Power in silver like roger.

    ~Tursa
     
    #3
  4. CanadianChic

    CanadianChic Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,312
    You mean the racquet section isn't full of fast-paced, exciting dialogue? I think a better question would be when wasn't this area of the forum not dull?

    [​IMG]
     
    #4
  5. Deuce

    Deuce Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2004
    Messages:
    5,270
    Location:
    A not so parallel universe...
    Bodo's a rather complete ass.
     
    #5
  6. tursafinov

    tursafinov Rookie

    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    205
    It's a free country, but I'd start that statement with "IMHO."
    That's all no arguments.
     
    #6
  7. Deuce

    Deuce Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2004
    Messages:
    5,270
    Location:
    A not so parallel universe...
    I wouldn't.
    And don't.

    I'm as much a fan of 'political correctness' as I am a fan of Bodo's attention seeking sensationalism.
    He writes like a 14 year old kid..
     
    #7
  8. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    First of all, Pete's new racquet is 90 sq. in., same as Federer's, and NOT 95 sq. in.

    Second, Pete may feel he plays well with poly now, but wait until he ages a few more years and starts getting tennis elbow from using that poly.

    Lastly, feel is everything (unless you depend on winning tennis matches to earn a living).
     
    #8
  9. Jack & Coke

    Jack & Coke Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,099
    Location:
    Redondo Beach, CA
    [​IMG]

    Difficult to tell whether that is the n6.1 Tour 90 or the n6.1 95

    Also, what do the double stencil lines on the stringbed mean? I forgot.

    from: http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/tennis/articles/2007/05/02/sampras_back_in_the_running/

     
    #9
  10. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    He is definitely using a 90, not a 95. Even he said last summer that he's using the same exact racquet as Federer. Also note the shorter handle pallet, just like Federer's custom racquets, and the thin beam. Whatever Federer uses, Sampras is using the same thing, as he probably just gets them from Federer's stash from the Wilson Pro Room. FWIW, the headsize looks exactly like a 90 to me, as I also use a nCode 90.

    The two lines stencil on his strings means he's still using Babolat strings, that's their logo. So he's probably still using VS gut in a hybrid with the Luxilon.
     
    #10
  11. ollinger

    ollinger Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2004
    Messages:
    7,213
    "Last summer" is nearly a year ago, so what he said he was using then strikes me as irrelevant to what he may have decided to use now. And that head size next to a guy the size of Pete looks at least 95 to me.
     
    #11
  12. KingOfTennis

    KingOfTennis Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    869
    Location:
    earth
    hey what luxilon strings is he talknig about?
     
    #12
  13. Voltron

    Voltron Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,904
    Location:
    Pffft, like I'd know
    I'm 15, so are you implying that he writes only as well as myself?
     
    #13
  14. cys19

    cys19 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    677
    Hey Circusmouse, are you still selling your Ti.Radical?
     
    #14
  15. Jack & Coke

    Jack & Coke Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,099
    Location:
    Redondo Beach, CA
    #15
  16. bluegrasser

    bluegrasser Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2005
    Messages:
    2,341
    You mean *snort* Bodo *snort* is a complete *snort* *** - agreed.
     
    #16
  17. Polaris

    Polaris Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,320
    Blunt, but quite true. He has the forum and the audience to write something worthwhile, but only succeeds in generating cutesy nicknames and in fisking player quotes.

    However, some of the people who comment on his articles are enjoyable and knowledgeable. There is this commenter named Dunlop Maxply who I like to read. Also paranoidandroid. They are probably around on this forum as well.
     
    #17
  18. lethalfang

    lethalfang Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    1,419
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    The kind of physical training and conditioning Pete has gone through, I don't think he'll ever have tennis elbow unless he starts using the ORIGINAL GAMMA BIG BUBBA Ultra-Supersize.
     
    #18
  19. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    I wouldn't be so sure. Lots of pros get tennis elbow, including Roddick, Gasquet, Krajicek, etc. Krajicek's was bad enough that it effectively ended his career.
     
    #19
  20. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    Didn't Jim Courier switch from the PS 6.0 85 with a box beam to a 6.1 95 sq. in. frame without a box beam? Just curious.
     
    #20
  21. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    That's a few examples of the thousands of pros who haven't. Just curious, what kind of racquet and string was Krajicek using when he developed TE? I'm pretty sure it wasn't a poly. :)
     
    #21
  22. Dangus

    Dangus Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    427
    "The trouble for me when I was playing on the tour was that I liked gut, and I found I just didn't have enough control when I tried bigger racquets. But I found these Luxilon strings, and when I mix them with gut, I get a great combination of power and control, even with the 95-inch racquet."

    Excerpt taken from OP. Sounds like it's 95.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2007
    #22
  23. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,482
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    ^^That excerpt also incorrectly states his racquet is now 5 square inches larger than his last racquet.

    FYI, his last racquet was a 85 square inch racquet. That would make his new racquet a 90 square inch racquet.
     
    #23
  24. RedKat

    RedKat Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2004
    Messages:
    110
    Sorry BreakPoint, but this is ridiculous. You cannot tell the difference between 90 and 95 sq. inches by merely looking at the picture.
     
    #24
  25. nickb

    nickb Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2006
    Messages:
    6,292
    You can easily tell a 90 from a 95 and thats 100% a 90. If you think thats a 95 there must be something wrong with your eyes.
     
    #25
  26. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,482
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    Definitely looks like a 90 to me.
     
    #26
  27. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    40,076
    Exactly. And has a diameter of 9", which is Brody's optimal topspin threshold, as I posted in another thread.
     
    #27
  28. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    40,076
    If you want to stir up trouble, consider posting about:

    Advantages of small-headed racquets

    Inadequacy of PS85 for today's game

    Merits of Volkl racquets
     
    #28
  29. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    No he did not. Courier is still using the PS 6.0 85 that he's always used (save for a couple of years with a clone when his Wilson contract expired), but with a nCode 90 paintjob for the past couple of years.
     
    #29
  30. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    And how do you know those thousands of other pros never had tennis elbow? Have you personally asked all of them? Just curious.

    And I was responding that pros are indeed prone to tennis elbow (especially more so the guys with 1HBH's), whether they use poly or not (but probably more likely with poly).
     
    #30
  31. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    Sorry, but you've got that backwards, maybe YOU cannot tell the difference between a 90 and a 95, but I can. I've been using the nCode 90 for a couple of years so I ought to know what my own racquet looks like, don't you think? For one thing, the 95 has a much thicker beam and it's an oval beam, NOT a box beam like on the 90. Also, the nCode 90 looks exactly the size of the racquet that's in Sampras' hand.
     
    #31
  32. VGP

    VGP Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,307
    Location:
    Location: Location
    Nope....Courier's moved on, just like Sampras.

    (he switched after Sampras spanked him in an exo earlier this year - frame and strings)

    Although, I suspect his is a retail n90 because the pics I saw had the grip wrapped up to the "boxed W." Or he could have a customized grip....he is a 2HBH player.
     
    #32
  33. VGP

    VGP Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,307
    Location:
    Location: Location
    BTW.....circusmouse, I don't think you've stirred up trouble.

    Just pointing out the fact that even the diehards like Sampras have embraced the latest technology.

    As for us amateurs, it don't matter if I stick with my PS85. I don't have the talent to serve 130 mph, or face Nadal level topspin.

    I don't even play often enough to warrant an all-out racket change.

    I tried it on a budget level experience when I bought some Dunlop HM200gs a couple of years ago.....I'm on the fence between that and the PS85......

    I don't feel the need to go for gut/poly hybrids. My strings are just sitting there in my frames longing for play.
     
    #33
  34. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    If that's true then I stand corrected.

    But as of last year when he played Sampras, Courier was most definitely still using his PS 6.0 85 with the nCode 90 paintjob:

    [​IMG]
     
    #34
  35. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    You say right here that Pete is going to get tennis elbow from using poly, no? And yes, pros can get tennis elbow (because they play tennis) but they are far less prone to getting tennis elbow than most the posters here (because they are good). Just because pros use poly doesn't mean they are going to develop tennis elbow as you say.

    Oh, and feel is in the eye of the beholder. I have used kevlar and poly (and stiff racquets for the last 10 years for that matter) since the late 80's and love the "feel" of these types of strings. What can I say, "I love boards". I can't stand the "feel" of gut, multis, softer strings, etc. Oh and lastly, I'm 37 and have never had tennis elbow; go figure.
     
    #35
  36. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    Yes I did, to which lethalfang posted this:
    So I was responding to lethalfang that just because someone is a pro and goes through lots of physical training and conditioning does not mean that they are immune from tennis elbow. So there was no mention of poly.
    I'd say pros are MORE prone to getting tennis elbow because they play so much and all the time. Tennis elbow is a repetitive injury. The more you play, the more stress you put on the ligaments in your elbow and the more they can tear. And the older you get, the less elastic your ligaments become and the easier they are to tear. Add poly to this mix and older people (including pros) will likely put more stress on their elbows with poly than with gut, so they would be more likely to develop TE with poly than with gut the older that they get. Yes, even pros' elbows and ligaments age.
    Count yourself very lucky. Not to scare you but I played tennis for almost 30 years without ever having a hint of tennis elbow, until I hit 40.
     
    #36
  37. TalkingTennis91

    TalkingTennis91 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2006
    Messages:
    469
    I'm an nCode 90 user, and that is most definitely a 90, due to the box beam, and the way that the PWS looks.
     
    #37
  38. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    The fact is you stated Pete would develop tennis elbow from using poly. I don't care what lethalfang stated all I know is you made that statement. You simply do not know this to be true since you can't see into the future.

    I also understand that tennis elbow can be a repetitive injury but it is also an injury that occurs from poor technique and/or the jarring that occurs from not hitting the sweetspot consistently. It can also occur from using a racquet that is too heavy for you. That, too, can put added stress on an elbow, no?

    Don't worry BP I don't scare very easily. I stay in great shape and tend to hit the sweetspot a majority of the time too. :) We all get older but to say that tennis elbow will be caused solely by using poly is just not true in every case which you seem to be saying.

    You're fun to argue with. :):)
     
    #38
  39. circusmouse

    circusmouse Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    367
    I seem to have stirred up two unanticipated arguments: one about the size of Courier's racquet and another about how many pros have tennis elbows. That was all I meant when I said trouble. I thought it might produce some dialogue that would keep us tennis junkies entertained. Normally, when I start a thread asking for help, I get one or two responses at most, so it's fun for me to start a thread that's moved onto its second page. Personally, I have little opinion on the racquet size issue. I use a MP because that's what works for me, and I do think that a lot of the people I see on the courts using PS85s and PS90s would be better off with less demanding racquets. But mid-size racquets clearly have good qualities and work best for some people. Federer and Sampras seem to do ok with them.
     
    #39
  40. VGP

    VGP Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,307
    Location:
    Location: Location
    That's the kind of thing that will (and has) stir up trouble......since Federer and Sampras are one in a million talents, some people will say that no one else should even think of using PS85s and k90s.......
     
    #40
  41. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    Huh? You don't care what lethalfang stated? So the fact that I was responding to his statement when I said that lots of pros get TE is irrelevant to you? :confused: Even though you're the one that followed up with the statement that there are thousands of pros but that very few pros get TE? Sorry, but your logic does not follow.

    The fact remains that Sampras is MUCH MORE likely to develop TE as he gets older if he continued to use poly than if he stayed with gut. I think everyone agrees that gut is much better for TE than poly is.
    No, you can have perfect technique and still develop tennis elbow. You still put a certain amount of stress on your elbow (especially with a 1HBH) every time you hit the ball even if you have perfect technique. Of course, the stress is greater if you have poor technique. As you get older, the threshold of stress your elbow ligaments can handle becomes lower. So even perfect techique mixed with old age can still lead to tennis elbow.

    And, no, it's lighter racquets that are worse for TE than heavier racquets are. Just read around this board at all the people that had elbow problems with lighter racquets and then switched to heavier racquets and their TE went away. Lighter racquets need to also be stiffer to generate power and stiffness is bad for the elbow. Light racquets also force your arm to do more of the work and absorb more of the shock and vibration because there's less mass to do the work for you in generating the needed momentum to counter the momentum of the incoming ball. This is what a lot of people who use heavier racquets call "plow-through" or "letting the racquet do the work".

    In addition to lighter and stiffer racquets being bad for TE, longer racquets can be bad, too, because they cause more torque on the elbow as the lever is longer (the distance away from your hand and elbow the force is applied, i.e., where the ball impacts your racquets). When I developed TE a few years ago, it was a trifecta, as I was using a light, stiff, and extra-long racquet. Once I switched to a heavier, more flexible, and standard length racquet, my TE went away and hasn't been back. Then poly caused golfer's elbow for me. Once I switched back to nylon, my GE went away, too.

    Heavier racquets can add stress to the shoulder though.
    I never said "every case". But the way Sampras hits his 1HBH, he is much, much more likely to develop TE as he gets older if he continued to use poly than if he contiuned to use gut (as he has for all of his career). That's a given.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2007
    #41
  42. southpaw

    southpaw Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2005
    Messages:
    165
    Q: "Have you ever had a sore arm?"
    PETE SAMPRAS: "Constantly. When you play week after week and as tight as I string my rackets, depending on the conditions, if they are cold or playing indoors, my arm can be dead. I've had arm trouble on and off my whole career."
     
    #42
  43. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    In fact, if you watch that 2001 Wimbledon match between Sampras and Federer, you can see Pete massaging his elbow while seated during every changeover.
     
    #43
  44. Serve 'em hard

    Serve 'em hard Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2007
    Messages:
    495
    Let's poll it! What's more dull, discussing tennis racquets with like minded lovers of the game, or pretending to order drinks in an imaginary tavern in the social forum while people post pictures of their cats and dogs and talk endlessly about how cute and special they are and how their "personalities" are so unique?:confused: :grin: :eek:
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2007
    #44
  45. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    Well first of all his arm problems and the posters arm problems on these boards are two different things. LOL It's pretty funny that Pete had arm problems his whole life and still managed a meager 14 major titles. :):)

    I guess from that statement from Pete I can surmize that his gut and tight tensions caused his arm problems? :)
     
    #45
  46. couch

    couch Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,929
    Breakpoint, here's your original quote before lethalfang even responded, correct? I'm replying to you not lethalfang. So like I said, I don't care what he stated, I'm not talking to him. What's so hard to understand about that? You use his statement to try to cover up yours to prove your point.

    All I'm saying is that it's not a correct statement in saying Pete will develop tennis elbow because he's using poly, that's all. You can't see into the future so how do you know?

    And why does my logic not follow? So you're saying there aren't thousands of pros playing tennis right now without tennis elbow. Seems if we followed "your" logic then all the pros using poly would have tennis elbow. ;) And there are a lot of pros that have used kevlar and/or poly for a heck of a long time. Again, take me for example and I'm not even a pro. :) Well, not a pro compared to the pros.

    And your statement about the fact Pete is more likely to develop tennis elbow if he continues to use poly rather than gut is definitely flawed. Didn't Pete string his 85 sq. in racquets at like 80lbs? Do you know for a fact what he strings his 90 sq. in racquets with poly at? I bet it's lower. So what's worse: Stringing at 80 lbs with gut or let's say 65 lbs with poly? I don't know what Pete's stringing his current racquets at, nor do I care. I just think you make a lot of assumptions without knowing all the facts.

    And you can also have perfect technique and never develop tennis elbow no matter what setup you use. Just look at "most" of the pros. :) I think you should put a disclaimer on your posts something like this: "All things being equal" this may or may not happen. :)

    Fun stuff on the TW Boards.
     
    #46
  47. WhiteSox05CA

    WhiteSox05CA Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Messages:
    2,013
    He's got to be using the (K)Factor now.
     
    #47
  48. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    Wait, Pete got tennis elbow in his 20's while using gut, so he's NOT going to get tennis elbow using poly in his late 30's and 40's when he already has beat up and aging ligaments in his elbow? OK, tell me another one.
    I guess logic is not your "thing"? When did I EVER say that ALL pros that use poly get tennis elbow? :confused: Show me, please!

    You said that thousands of pros do not have tennis elbow. I asked you how you knew that. Here's what I DID say:
    I also said that Sampras will likely get tennis elbow from using poly "as he ages a few more years". How many pros on the tour using poly are 40 years old? How about NONE!!

    So what do many of the pros out of the thousands of pros that may have TE have anything at all to do with Sampras "as he ages a few more years"? They are two completely different statements. I made one statement about Sampras and then a completely unrelated statement in my response to lethalfang's post. But you don't care about what lethalfang posted because all you care about is to try and bust me on something that isn't even there to bust me on because, sadly, you don't do "logic". :-(
    Sampras strung his PS 6.0 85 with gut at around 72-75 lbs. You can string gut at very high tensions and it will still have most of its resiliency and be forgiving and still pocket the ball, unlike synthetic strings, be it multis, monos, nylon, poly, or whatever. That's why so many people swear by gut. Pete is stringing now with a gut/poly hybrid, so he's likely stringing the gut still pretty tight, especially considering he's now using a bigger head, which means you have to string even tighter than a smaller head to acheive the same response and control off of the stringbed.
    True, but some set-ups are more likely to cause tennis elbow than others, which is why they have tennis elbow friendly strings, racquets, etc. You can also have bad technique and never get tennis elbow regardless of your set-up, too. But bad technique and/or the wrong set-up could certainly increase your liklihood of developing TE.

    If you've ever had tennis elbow, perhaps you would actually understand what it is and what causes it.
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2007
    #48
  49. Deuce

    Deuce Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2004
    Messages:
    5,270
    Location:
    A not so parallel universe...
    Somewhere on this message board, at all hours, day and night - as his whopping post count indicates - BreakPoint is perpetually attempting to explain to someone what he "really means".
    His posts are littered with statements like "I didn't say that" and "What I meant was...", as he desperately tries to untie the worded knots he tied himself up in.

    He succeeds, with his neverending 'explanations' of 'what he really meant', only in tightening the knots, to the point where others conclude that it is not worth the time nor the effort to argue with someone who turns words - both his own and those of others - into pretzels in order to make himself appear 'right'.

    Given the overwhelming number of times he finds himself in the position of being questioned and of having to 'explain' what he 'really meant', perhaps the problem is with him, and not with the rest of us...
     
    #49
  50. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    46,877
    If only half the people on this board could read my statments correctly and stop trying to interpret what they think I'm saying instead of just taking my statements at face value, they wouldn't be so confused and embarrass themselves as they do. Bottom line is, if you can't find where I said exactly what you think I said, then I didn't say it, did I? Seems pretty obvious to me, but I know there are some people on his board that just wish I said what they want me to say, even though I never said it, in their futile, childlike attempts to bust me on something and tarnish my credibility. Sad really.
     
    #50

Share This Page