This is a Bad Idea for a Sub-Section

Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by Deuce, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. Deuce

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    Although I'm the first person to say that the older racquets were much better than 99% of today's junk, I think it's quite a bad idea to have a separate section for "Classic Racquets".

    Apart from there being no viable reason for a separate section (were many people complaining of the presence of "old racquets" in the racquet section? I very much doubt it), this new section will serve only to hide threads from those who don't remember - or don't have the time - to check the extra section.

    They did this a few years ago - they created a sub-section for balls and some other tennis item. Fortunately, that sub-section died a quick death.
    I hope that this section encounters the same fate.

    A sub-section works for the "Pro Match Results', because there is a valid reason to have those threads separate from the rest of the 'Pro Player Talk'.
    But there is no reason for this section.

    Having extra sections like this serves only to complicate matters.
    Simple is better.
    What's next - a section for blue racquets only?
    A section for head sizes 90 sq. in. and below?
    This type of segregation is silly, confusing, and time consuming, and will produce more problems than it solves.

    One section for tennis racquets is all we need.
     
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    You really think it's confusing? It's just one extra section, not a big deal.

    And as for time consuming, it doesn't take long to click. Even on Australia's third-world internet it doesn't take long to load one more tab.
     
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    It's a whole other section to go through.
    If you don't think that'll take more time, you need to do more research on the properties of time.

    And, yes - the more sub-sections an area contains, the more confusing it is, quite obviously.
     
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    i love this section,
    Imagine what vintage rackaholics had to do.. sifting through all the kps and microgel aerogel nanotech crap to just find a humble graphite pro...
    this isn't an extra section for Keith, Mel, Virginia, Bud, Bob, and Daniel...It's our MAIN section!!!!!
    My parents came to this country in a boat (actually we all came here on a plane but let's go with "a boat" for dramatic impact), the kind of freedom they strived for would be denied if this section was closed.
    You call it partisan segregation, but Deucey baby, this is our seperatism and Pride, back to the motherland...we stand with prostaffs, f 200's, R22's, gtx's, prestige classics and POG 4 stripes in hand, at the doors of tennis warehouse, ready to fight, the moment they close this "sub-section" down and try "re-integrating" us into general racquet population....they can take our sub-section, but they'll never take our freedom!!!!
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    this isn't personal deuce, you're one of the most intelligent posters in the universe, this is just how we all feel towards anyone who doesn't support our new section....join us Duece, come to the darkside, put your oversize brain away and act with your midsize heart, ...
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    Deuce, is it you absolute highest goal to ruin every nice thing we have? Signatures? Image size? Classic Racquet Section? Seriously, what is wrong with you?
     
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    Hold up. Nobody is forcing you to read through every section - feel free to pretend it never happened. Have you ever made a positive post?
     
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    I fully agree. I do not see the need for having separate sections. There is a pretty good ratio of new and classic racquets threads as well as customization and racquet search threads in the single section. It is fair, simple and works.

    -SF
     
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    Seems that you're the one with nothing better to do with your time than to follow me around, posting your simplistic, manipulative, inaccurate, and outright dishonest claims of what I've done.

    It was made very clear to me quite some time ago - through your twisted posts - that you either have no clue how to accurately perceive things, or you're very dishonest.

    ^ Another pure genius!

    I'm the one saying that there was nothing wrong with the older racquets being included in the Racquets section - that if it ain't broke, there's no need to 'fix' it - and you're saying that I'm negative?
    Seems to me that you and the others are the ones who aren't happy with old racquets being included in the Racquets section.

    If you want to live in a 'politically correct' world rife with phony politeness and fake 'positivity', it's your right to seek that out. Give Oprah and her phony 'friends' my regards.
    It's also my right to bring some reality in where I feel it's needed.
    "The greatest threat to freedom is the absence of criticism." - Wole Soyinka.

    I don't write positive posts. Nor do I write negative posts.
    The only type of posts I write are intelligent posts.
    This would explain why you don't understand.
     
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  9. jayserinos99

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    I don't care either way since I'll go through both sections. My gripe is that if you do decide to have a Classic Racquet section, move all the other classic racquet threads as well. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing some cleanup as far as duplicate racquet threads but that's just me being nitpicky.
     
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    Remind me to stick a note on my head reminding me how you're smarter than the rest of us, sometimes I just forget.
     
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    TW can do whatever they want, they are paying for this board they can do whatever they please. You want to talk about currant racquets there is the racquet section, you want to talk about old classic frames post here. Mods should start enforcing this rule IMO and deleting threads that do not belong in the proper section (easier said than done) since what defines a classic racquet?
     
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    I agree that this might not be the best way to deal with classic racquets.

    The first thing I thought when I saw the subsection was: they are looking for a way to hide the classics from the big racquet forum, so in the "real" racquet forum we will only find discussions about new frames, which as TW is a tennis business comes in handy for them as it will increase racquet hypes and as such sales.

    BTW, how do you define a classic. For instance, the POG, is that a classic? It is still in production.

    How about threads comparing the microgel Prestige to the iPrestige and the PC600? Where should they go?

    What happens when a racquet is discontinued? For 4 years all articles and thread about that racquet have been in the "normal" racquet section. Should people all of a sudden post their threads in the classic racquets section then?

    This is confusing. I think things were better as they were by having a general racquet subforum bundling all the available knowledge about old and new racquets.
     
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    I can appreciate both sides of this "argument". Let's just see how things pan out, shall we - and try not to bash each other in the process. We're all racquet lovers here, that's the important thing.

    BTW I'll bet that the POGs they're making today are not the same as the originals.
     
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    One liner of the day: "put your oversize brain away and act with your midsize heart" :)
    Btw- plasma, i didn't know you were a FOB! lol
     
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    Come on, dude..don't get caught in details.. We just want a section where we can take a look at pics of classics and discuss them whenever we want! We dont wanna be "bundled" with "racquets with gel" (especially when we know that is just a marketing bs)

    All the great collectors such as plasma, jetlee and others shall post pics here and that would be awesome!
     
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    Classic is a racquet that it was either discontinued, or even if it is still being produced, it gained such status among hearts of people. I mean, we all racquet lovers know what these frames are, it is no brainer.

    It also has to do some with the head size, I think.

    How I would want to see this sub-section, would be like it is a museum of yesteryear's classic beauties. For ex, plasma from west coast, jetlee from Asia, ericsson from europe, etc..would be great if they could turn this sub-section into "one" museum with pics of the priceless racquets they have......
     
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    Hi Mel, I grabbed a photo of me at age 14 from immigration when we first came off the boat!!!
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    plasma age 14
     
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    LoL and here's me tryin' to make it happen in the boroughs :)

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    don't you think djokovic looks kinda like robert deniro when he was younger ?
     
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  20. gymrat76

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    NO ****ING WAY!
     
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    anybody but a clown from serbia who has a dislike for americans
     
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    not twins but there is a resemblence, at least to me :)

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    Ppl can look the same. But that dont mean nothing to me. Who you chose to resemble to a great American actor...this serbian clown, with his unspoken but sometimes surfacing hatred towards U.S, stands exactly at the opposite pole from Spirit of America and what it is all about.
     
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    ^ Yes - that was my initial thought as well.

    While many think having this extra sub-forum is a favour being done for them... they don't realize the selfish motives which may very well lie beneath what they believe to be a benevolent gesture.

    Unfortunately, the majority will always be blissfully oblivious to things that seem glaringly obvious to others.
     
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  25. plasma

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    I've actually found something slightly more satisfying than conspiracy theories on cold winter nights,
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    but vintage rackaholics everywhere feel safer now that you are protecting us from our own community.....
    mmmkay!
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  26. racquetfreak

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    i rather like the concept of a new section for blue racquets and yet another for blue rackets.
     
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    im not sure, but i partialy agree with you. yet i feel that there should be a "Club" section for those "long live the radicals, fisher faction, rubber band damp club" sort of club threads where one and only one product is discussed to exaustion...

    but this new section should have the classic racquets threads moved here...
     
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  28. Virginia

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    As someone who owns a message board myself (to do with contract bridge), I can tell you that finding and moving all the classic racquet threads would be quite a chore, especially the finding. ;
     
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    just an extra section for more organization....
     
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    it's more than that, noob, the extinction of the classic racquet thread threatens not only the american way of life, but also global freedom itself....
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    grab your gtx's and 200g's...we will not be silenced!!!
     
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  31. AndrewD

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    That's because the majority aren't paranoid and/or delusional.
     
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    I'm going to have to agree with Duece on this one. While this extra section IS nice, and does create more organization, a lot of people are never going to come in here and read these threads. Fact of the matter is, juniors/people that have never played with the classics only start playing with them after they've read about how great they are. I didn't purchase anything made after 2005 until I read some rave reviews about how great rackets were back in the old days. The point of this forum is so that we can all learn some new info, and enhance our play. If a lot of people never even get to read these posts, then people never have the chance to play with the classics.
     
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  33. Ronny

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    seriously, if u dont like it, make ur own forum...its tw's forum and they can do wat they like... i personally dislike all the threads about ps85's and pc600's etc...i like this new section it seperates old and new stuff
     
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    ^ Very good point.
    Naturally, TW would prefer that "juniors/people" buy current racquets from TW, rather than finding older racquets elsewhere.
    Ergo, this new sub-section, which will accomplish precisely what you describe above, and thus bring more money into TW.

    ^ Whomever taught you to write ought to be fired.

    ^ It's because the majority aren't very bright and see only what's on the surface, Andrew.
    Not that you'd notice...
    This post of yours (above) - like so many other of your posts - demonstrates how little you understand about life.
     
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  35. Ronny

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    It's TW's message board! Go have a cry! If you don't like it then make your own. geez
     
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    TW created the forums as way to increase web traffic by having a place for Tennis people to call home on the web. This place lives on the sharing of information and ideas. It is a forum.

    By the way, do you know the definition and origin of the word "forum?" If you did you seem to have forgotten. If you want to argue that this discussion is not of public interest then fine, do so. But stop trying to shush a person because you disagree with them.

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    Agreed, we should be able to talk about a sub forum, especially when it is new, what is all your guys' problems? It's cool if you disagree, but the name calling and such is uncalled for. Since when did TTW become so... superficial? It's not a popularity contest, I think SF has got it right, look up the origin of the word "forum." We're all lucky to have a voice that can be heard, IMO.

    As far as organization, I also think this is going to be slightly more troublesome for my needs. Yeah, I agree classic racquets are awesome, and deserve discussion, but the separation isn't doing ME any favors, from a reader's standpoint. Do I REALLY have SO much interest in all sorts of classic frames that I will open this sub-forum up every time I browse through the racquets forum? Probably not, I just like to skim and read about people giving feedback on the gear they use, and maybe if i spot one in the future at a garage sale or thrift shop, i'll pick it up if i can get it cheap and give it a spin. For those of you who think the fine line is so obvious, ask the younger kids (Ronny seems to be a good candidate) what a classic racquet is.....

    Some people don't care about old, discontinued frames, or racquet history, or frame construction, and it's cool to have the sub-forum, but to others it can be confusing and a hassle. I'm going to lay my vote down for that camp.
     
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    I wouldn't have nearly the problem I do with the subforum if it was a "twin" forum, standing right beside the regular racquets section under Tennis Equipment.

    -SF
     
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    That's a good point actually - why not give it full forum status, rather than being hidden away.
     
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    For now, my impression is I'm liking this "sub-forum".....

    I don't have to muddle through the typical 'Nadal's racket' or 'Federer's racket' or 'Ivanovic's racket' threads.....

    ....just some nice info on nice decent frames from the past.
     
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    Would you prefer it stay as a sub-forum or a forum that stands right next to regular racquets section?

    -SF
     
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    Either way
    is ok
    I chose to rhyme
    this time
    Please I hope you
    let me continue
    to talk about rackets
    in the front or in the back it's
    ok with me
    don't you see
     
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    I preferred all racquet discussion collected in one primary forum, without this sub-forum.

    Philosophically, it was simpler, not unlike the rackets of the past that many of us prefer...
     
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    The latter, if for no other reason than it will get full exposure, unlike now.

    There will probably be some crossover between the two - not sure if that matters or not - but at least the latest (and not the greatest!) racquets will be separate from the true classic creations, many of which are still being played with today, not only because of the inherent superiority of their design, but also because of their ability to endure.

    As my stringer puts it "that stuff is just gimmicks - there's no really significant advance in racquet design".
     
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    I really think that this separate forum section being tucked away as a sub forum is the reason for my initial discern with the separation.

    Last significant advancement in racquet design was probably the wide body, tapered design.

    -SF
     
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    I will add that TW could probably keep this as a sub-forum under the message boards hierarchy but still display it on the main forum page. WHERE IT BELONGS.

    -SF
     
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    Not sure the software allows that. I use Invision though, so not sure about VBulletin.

    There might be a tick box for "show subforums on main page" somewhere though. Even so, it could still be overlooked, as it wouldn't be all that prominent.

    Let's give it full forum status!
     
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    ^ I agree wholeheartedly.

    ^ I disagree - for the reasons I've already stated, and for the one I state below.

    To have 'classic racquets' as a sub-forum, or as a separate 'full forum' would - obviously - segregate it from the more current racquets.
    While this segregation might make some feel 'special' (as in being members of an 'exclusive club'), as 'meowmix' earlier stated - it will definitely hide these classic frames from the view of the majority, who will continue to peruse the main racquet section.

    Those of you claiming to 'love' the classics should be encouraging others to take a look at them, rather than hiding it away as your little exclusive secret.
    I love the old classics as much as anyone - as my 8 years of posting on this board confirms - and this is precisely why I do not at all like the idea of segregating - and thus effectively hiding - them away from the majority.

    A separate forum (or sub-forum) for the old classics amounts to preaching to the converted - we are the only ones who will be in this forum. Do we really want to be selfish and keep these gems to ourselves? Would a benevolence not be better for all parties?
    I think we have a responsibility to encourage others (especially the young ones) to try these classic frames - not only to see what they're missing, but also to see how tennis used to be played.

    I can see where TW wants to hide the classics away - to encourage people to purchase newer frames.
    But surely those of us who love the classics can be more benevolent in enlightening and encouraging others to give them a try.
    And that simply will never be done if the classics are hidden away in a separate forum or sub-forum.

    Think about it...
     
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  50. SFrazeur

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    I agree with you. However, I think that this new section will probably be here to stay so might as well make the best of it. Besides, it's just a tennis forum, it's not like it's politics. Real world calls.

    -SF
     
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