This is how it feels to return Ivo's first serve:

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  1. Andres

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    He should do body serves more :)
     
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    That clay one probably took a bad bounce, but yes, Karlovic's serve is the best.
     
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    rofl most of these players don't even try on their return games against karlovic.

    ivo gets an ace and the receiver just slowly walks to the next court thinking "eh, another one of these BS serves..."
     
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    one dimensional player, i love it how these big servers dominate people with their serves, but come against fed and he outaces the crap outta you
     
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    Having been one of the only people here to return a pros serve, I can say that it's much harder than it looks. I returned Magnus Larssons serve on grass about 8 years ago, and not just once, for a set... I was playing this doubles expo, and I asked him to serve like he would against another pro against me, and holy ****, there's literally no time to react, not to mention the sucker served to my backhand everytime, I couldn't even get in position for a slice.
     
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    I got great high speed video footage of Ivo yesterday on the practice courts at Miami. His serve is scary.
     
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    Checked out your site and some of the vids. Nice interesting site, man. Giving a shout out props..
     
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    ^^Thanks. I'll be posting more vids soon (Fed, Nadal, Gonzo, Murray, Isner, Roodick, Karlovic, Querey, Henin, Wozniaki, Fish, Dent, Tipsarivec, Venus, Wawrinka, Ferrero, Hantuchova, Azarenka, etc)
     
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    where's the site drak?
     
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    Excellent! Love seeing these guys techniques and how good they are.
     
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    The utube link in his sig...
     
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    oh, ok, thanks
     
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    u r welcome. Pretty cool site....
     
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    Stepanek must have nerves of steel to get aced 78 times and still win lol, that's 3 sets worth of aces basically
     
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    ^^LOL, Love you too. :) I'll begin posting one or two every few days. Being there is such an interest with Ivo, I'll post his tonight.
     
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    3 sets, one game and 2 aces :)
     
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    How good can the serve be? He loses most of the time.
     
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    Kmen is out of his mind.
    I'll bet plenty of people here on the board have returned serves going into the 130's.
    For sure, I've faced KevinCurran's and JoaroSoare's serves for two sets, and lived to tell about bagels and breadsticks.
    And plenty of 5.0's to 5.5's who are taller than 6'5" x210lbs can serve right there.
    Big serves are great to have, great to play against, for sure, but it's the skill level in addition to the big serve that makes one a great tennis player or a big server only.
    Key is usually to PROLONG your service, so you tire out the big server, get him to huff and puff, so his serve gets less effective.
     
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    it might seem that way but i can assure you they do try. it's just that ivo's serves are too good.
     
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    that is scary !
     
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    No, he doesn't. He in fact has won a majority of the matches he has played, both this year and overall throughout his career.
     
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    Here's a question which might be slightly off topic, but:

    Is there more time to react to a 200+ kph serve in tennis, or more time to react to a 300-400 kph badminton smash...? I'm wondering which sport is faster.
     
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    Maybe Haas shouldn't try moving the ads around to try and return serve 50 feet back, lol. I remember Haas saying he didn't like playing him because all he was is a serve, but hey, you have to find a way to beat every player you play, whether they have a big all around game, big forehand, or just a big serve, you have to find a way to beat them.
     
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    Hmm... I'm not sure you can compare them that way.

    You can "react" fast enough in tennis but you may not be able to move your racquet fast enough or get to where you need to be in time.

    In badminton, the smash effectiveness depends on where it is hit. I would rather return a fast smash from full court as opposed to a slow tap from on top of the net...:)
     
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    Haha well I'm talking about a smash all the way from the baseline of course. I wonder... I actually think badminton is even quicker than tennis in this resepct.
     
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    Thing about Karlovic is his serve seems to be all genetics (height). Overall, his mechanics are not one to copy for maximizing your serve.
     
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    it still kinda scares me how the record for the fastest ever second serve (which is held by ivo) is 147 mph
     
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    And lots and lots of practice.
     
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    Most of the time, a full court smash is not a winner. There is a drastic slow-down once the feathers snap open again. Now if you used a shuttle with banged-up feathers or a nylon shuttle, then yeah you can crush those to the floor without the thing opening up...
     
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    But that doesn't mean it's slower than tennis or anything right? For all we know... it could just mean that badminton players have insane reaction speeds... :)
     
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    I play competition badminton and tennis I can tell that it is easier to respond a badminton smash because you just have to put that 85g stick on the shuffle and it goes back into the court. In tennis you have to handle that 330g stick and get that ball to bounce back in the court
     
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    Hmm... but how competitive is your badminton play? I'm talking about reacting to 300+ kph badminton smashes. Not slow at all!
     
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    I've played with Chris Adcock and a few other top professionals and former pros and I would say that the standard of my badminton is pretty good. The smash that gave me the most trouble was probably that of David Lindley, a former professional mixed doubles player. For a small guy he can really hit a shuttle - I'm not sure if I've ever seen a shuttlecock or indeed anything without an engine travel that fast before.

    Whilst the shuttle does slow down a lot after it is hit, that doesn't matter if you couldn't react to the smash fast enough to get it back. I would say (it's my personal opinion that) it's more difficult to get to a fast and steep badminton smash but once you do manage to get there, it could be slightly easier to guide over the net than a Karlovic serve purely for the reasons that at this point, the shuttle might be a little slower than the tennis ball and if Karlovic served to me, I know that I'd be hitting it well over shoulder height which would make it difficult to do anything with even if I did guess correctly and go the right way. If Tan Boon Heong (fastest recorded unofficial smash speed) or Fu Haifeng (fastest official smash speed) were to hit a smash to my side of the court, I believe I'd have great difficulty returning it also simply because it would hit the ground so quickly but if by some miracle I did manage to get to the shuttle (which would have come off the racket at around 260mph if we're talking fastest ever recorded kind of speed), I think that I'd probably be able to lift it back. Of course, that lift would undoubtedly be hit through the floor with another super fast smash or they'd simply play a tight drop as I struggled to recover from returning the initial smash. This I suppose is a similar scenario to if I managed to return "The Doctor's" serve, the return would be crushed back over for a winner anyway.
     
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    this guy has a really big serve.. imagine how easy life would be to own a serve like that...
     
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    Ah alright. Thanks for your explanation!
     
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