This is just pathetic to watch..

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  1. AM95

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    I don't get it. They're both awful.
     
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    one is better then the other. the guy in the federer 2007 ao polo.
     
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  4. Diablo Rojo

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    They are having fun and getting exercise. Get over it.
     
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    What level are these guys? 2.5?
     
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    Good lord.

    Where on earth can you play at that level and have ballboys and an umpire? I am guessing this is in the Phillipines, but I am unsure. I agree they are getting exercise, but it doesn't look like thay are having much fun what with all the UE. They would be 2.0-low 2.5 in my tennis neighborhood.
     
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    They're playing at a country club. This is probably why...
    (they're RICH)
     
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    And truthfully... Who really cares?
     
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    I think the more impressive feature is that they have umpires and ball boys. How can these chumps even have umpires nevermind ball boys? Are these some third world country slave kids?
     
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    Hmmm.... on TT they're probably "experts" and self-rate 5.0!

    Ho hum, at least they're having fun anyways!
     
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    I think its in the Philippines. I can tell because I can understand what they are saying so I know they are Filipinos. Relatives always tell me I can play tennis in the Philippines on clay courts with ball boys for like $5.

    But so what if they don't look like pros. A win is a win. Some people chose to lose and look good over winning. Personally I would rather take home the trophy then make a highlight reel.

    I find it really annoying when people complain about losing to players they percieve to have to have weeker strokes than them. If your technique truly is superior, than you shouldn't lose.
     
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    Next tournament, I'm going to hire a kid from the clubs junior program and pay him 5 bucks to be my ballboy for the match. That would be cool.
     
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    If you're a better player, you will win, simples!

    If I have poor technique and I beat you often enough, I am simply a better player than you are. Not everyone can look like Federer while playing. DelPotro is not a beauty to watch, but boy can he play!
     
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    i watched enough to get the idea. let me introduce you to THE PUSHER.
     
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    I disagree. Neither of those players "barely play tennis" and both of them had "semi decent technique". They looked like typical 3.0 to 3.5 players which means they would be part of the biggest group of regularly-playing tennis players.

    I am assuming the player in the tan shirt is the one you think can barely play but he actually had an effective, if unorthodox serve.

    The one thing I do agree with you on is that in tennis, there are no points awarded for style.
     
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    If that is what a 3.0-3.5 tennis player is like them I am seriously short changing myself on my rating!! It hurt just watching that.

    A lot of people have been saying about Jollyroger that he's actually around 3.5 or so. For me there is a world of difference between his videos and this one. A yawning chasm of effectiveness no less.
     
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    Jolly is not a 3.5. He almost played a competitive match against a 5.0. I would say he's probably a solid 4.0 at worst from what I've seen posted here.
     
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    Yeah I probably shouldn't have used that as an example given the recent "campaign" around here, apologies.

    I guess what I'm getting at is that for me that look substantially under what I've seen classified as 3.0 or so in the past. Makes me feel better :)
     
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    this is the best line i've read in a post on this board in a long time!!!! well done, sir!!!! :)
     
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    I've also seen video of Jolly and while I don't think he is as good as he thinks he is, he is very clearly (to me) well above the 3.5 level. As to your claim that a lot of people (was it really a lot?) think Jolly is a 3.5, a lot of people also claim to have been abducted by aliens and to have been served lunch by Elvis.

    IMO there are likely at least two USTA levels between Jolly and the players in that video. I know I've seen videos of people who knew for a fact were computer-rated 3.5s who didn't look as good to me as the players in those videos. Style <> results.

    However, post some videos of yourself and ask people what your level is and I bet you'll be surprised at the wide range of responses. I am also happy to chip in my 2 cents for a good cause.
     
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  21. borg number one

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    Wow, that was pretty bad. I think my Game just got a little worse by just watching it. Yes, the younger player definitely seemed to have difficulty when faced with a pardon the term tennis "hacker" in my opinion. Lots of underspin, which can be difficult for some to adjust to. That seemed to take the younger player totally out of rhythm.
     
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    you mean, 4.5.

    Although he has yet to win a set against a 4.5 players this year, he has at least taken a few sets to tie-breaks. As for *a lot* of people saying, "3.5", I believe what is being referred to is the thread with a poll in it, where many people voted the player in question a "3.5" based on match results. The player in question had yet to win a match against a 4.5 or higher, and had a compettive match against a 3.0, and a few 3.5 players.




    Anyway, on to the OP:
    As for the guys in this vid, I would not rate them in the 3.0 or higher. They look like 2.0 players.
     
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    If I'm gonna pay $5 a match for the ballboy, He'd better bring my towel to me in between points. I don't see this happening.
    ha!
     
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    To the original poster, technique comes second to tactics...A player with better tactics than technique will beat the player with better technique than tactics any day.
     
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    LOL.

    I actually had a good chuckle when the server missed his first serve and turned around to the ball boy to request another ball in order to hit his second serve. :)
     
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    Yeah that sounds about right given what I've seen at the various competitions I went to when I was in the US a while back. Still I'm no expert for sure on the US stuff, I was just going by the "conversion" to the UK levels.

    Wow that really surprises me. Basically according to ITF it should be LTA to NTRP:

    4.1 - Strong 5.0
    4.2 - 5.0
    5.1 - Weak 5.0 (assuming rating has been earned and not given) / v. strong 4.5 - strong 4.5
    5.2 - solid 4.5 (assuming rating has been earned and not given)
    6.1 - Weakish 4.5
    6.2 - 4.5 / strong 4.0
    7.1 / 7.2 (if earned in singles tournament play) 4.0
    8.1 - 3.5
    8.2 - 3.5
    9.1 - 3.0/3.5
    9.2 - 3.0
    10.1- 2.5
    10.2- 2.0

    Most of the 10.1 players over here that I saw last week would wipe the floor with these two guys from what they look like. I know looks can be deceiving but still I wouldn't have thought that much....

    Yeah that would be interesting for sure. I posted a serve for some tips a while back when I was changing it but I've never taken any other video. I'm currently LTA of 7.1 dropped down from 6.2 so that puts me around 4.0 given the table above but I'm not so sure it's grounded in reality given the visual discrepancy from what I see as 10ish player over here compared to a what I imagine a 2.5ish player is if the vid below is 3.5ish

    I don't play many tournaments though so it's pretty meaningless as an average. That and I'm a rolling ball of bacon fat at the moment :). Basically you don't "lose rating" as fast as you should in the UK so I'm guessing I'm not better than a high 7.2 at the moment which would put me somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0.

    I had some serves clocked the other day though and I averaged 108mph over a dozen or so. It didn't feel right though, I would guess I was more like around 95-100 if you asked me. I think the guns over-report slightly.
     
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    I've often wondered how our ratings balance to theirs, I haven't had a rating for a nmber of years but at about 14 i was a 6.1 which actually isn't bad.Tactically i know i'm better now than then but I too like a bacon sandwich!
    You can tell those in the video have quality just look at the way their feet were always moving and on their toes, "happy feet"!
     
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    I had a laugh at that too. Especially since he had a second ball in his pocket. I guess if you actually have ball boys, might as well use them.
     
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    Absolute rubbish. Tennis is NOT all about stroke technique.

    The following are far more determinative of winning in tennis:

    Footwork
    Movement
    Aerobic Fitness
    Speed
    Match practice
    Shot selection
    Mental approach
     
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    I do agree with you. I guess what I really meant was, if your overall game really is better, then you shouldn't lose. A lot of people complain about losing to people they feel are "inferior players" because they have odd strokes or have little pace. But if you can beat them who really is the inferior player?
     
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    If those guys are 3.5, I should be 6.0.:lol:
     
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    :shock:

    I didn't notice that. LOL

    That makes it even funnier.
     
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    I agree with the "pathetic" characterization the OP used. I disagree on the comment about one of the players having semi-decent technique. From what I can tell, neither have semi-decent technique. Maybe 3.0's in my neck of the woods....maybe.

    oh, and J011y would eat these guys alive.
     
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    Too funny, that thought popped into my head as I was watching as well! I've watched so much online video trying to improve my strokes that I'm just used to being in "How can I copy that?" mode.

    I'm not laughing at the players at all; more power to them for getting out and playing! I'm a little scared of what a video of me might look like. I know it would've been rough to watch a year or so ago.
     
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    Regardless of technique, niether of these guys has racket head control or hit the ball cleanly - green beginners that likely didn't play sport when younger.
     
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    who the f... cares? let them play, tennis is not for world class players only, otherwise, you, OP, me, and everyone here in this forum wouldnt be allowed to play.

    get over yourself, and maybe post a vid, if you have the balls to critizise others, see how well you do.
     
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    It's called knowing your limitations and being willing to compete even if you look ugly as hell. Good luck to him.
     
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    I thought I remember someone posting in the jolly bet thread that he won like 3 games in a set against a 5.0. This isn't true?
     
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    if jolly can't beat a 5.0 he's not that level. sorry.
     
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    I'd say those guys in the video are probably around 2.5s...
     
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    At the beginning of the video it is labelled as a B Class Tournament... doesn't that make these players in the 4.0-4.5 level?

    I guess the level of tennis really is significantly different in other areas.
     
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    Definitely not 3.5 tennis. 3.0 or below.
     
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    No 4.0 to 4.5 is A and 4.5 is bordering on Open.
     
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    Very good Elpie. Thanks for the smile. I think the Open Source is my favorite, but all the others are so good also.
     
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    Very good Elpie. Thanks for the smile. I think the Open Source is my favorite, but all the others are so good also.


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    I thought 5.0-5.5 would be A... and 6.0 and up would be Open...

    I am just thinking back to the days when we had tournies ranked by letters...

    Open
    A
    B
    C

    Those that got to the semi's in the A draws would fill out the Open draws in essense at as a qualifer.


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    I found this...

    The NTRP was designed to standardize the classification of player ability. There is so much ambiguity associated with these systems that translation is difficult. In various parts of the country for example "A" or "Advanced" is the top level of play, while in other places "AAA" is the best. In general terms, a D player would be a 2.5 and below; a C player would be a 2.6 - 3.5; a B player would be 3.6 - 4.5; and an A player would be 4.6 - 5.5; an open player would be 5.6 and above.
     
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    This is the first time I've seen someone consistently run around their forehand to hit a weak slice backhand to the middle of the court while leaving the other side of the court completely open >_>.
     
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    I definitely don't think these guys are even 3.0s. They look like they've been playing maybe 2 months.
     
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    I read a lot of guys with harsh things to say about the strokes in the video... but actually if you ignore the form and look at the ball trajectories I think you'll see a lot of non-"beginner" shots.
     
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    No. Nothing about this is non-beginner. These guys are the epitome of tennis beginners. They make a ton of UEs and have no strategy. The guy in the polo hits a XC approach shot and stays on the same side.

    Nothing against the guys. They're playing tennis for fun just like everyone should. We don't have to be Federer to enjoy the game. But they are nowhere near 3.5 or even 3.0. I consider myself a 3.5, and if these guys are also, I'll have to bump myself up to 4.5.
     
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