This is the strongest Top 10 in a long time...

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  1. TheTruth

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    For sure we may even see some breakout stars, new grand slam winners, retirements. Any thoughts or predictions?

    For example:

    Davydenko had a great last part of the year, anyone see him actually getting a grand slam in the very near future?

    Only serious analyses, folks!
     
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    Hmm... I sincerly hope for Davydenko to at least reach a slam final. He's got too much talent in this (relatively) small frame of his...

    I think Djokovic will make an impact. His problems at the end of the season weren't fitness related, despite him playing 90+ matches this year. This probably means that he has his physical problems solved, so I give him a good shot at AO/FO/USO. Not Wimby, of course.
    Nadal, I really don't know what to think about his chances. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he steals all of those clay tournaments...
    Murray, sorry, can't see him doing anything if he doesn't tweak his game. He can do some adjustments in the so called 'off-season', so I guess anything is possible.
     
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    You are right, it has been a while but now there is a strong field. I won't be easy for the likes of Roger and Nadal anymore.
     
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    there is more parity at this moment in the men's game than in the last 15 years IMO, especially on the hard courts, which incidently happens to be the most prolific surface on the tour.

    Factor in all the variables-is Fed declining or has the overall level improved/people learning how to beat Fed, will Nadal regain his confidence vs. top 10 post-knee lay off/ ever reach '08 level again/get a new coach, will Murray ever play his best tennis at slams/learn to attack more, can Djokovic finally reach #2 and more, can anyone stop Del Potro, can Davydenko win slams now that he believes, Soderling, Cilic, Tsonga, etc.

    Next year will be interesting.

    Very hard to predict but IMO delpo takes Aussie Open, Nadal takes French, Wimby is a big ?, and US Open probably won by Delpo or Djokovic. top 5 ATP points race will be closer than it has been in a long time.
     
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    I think Federer will remain a contender, but tournament wins, even at slams will be fewer now and much less often. He has been challenged by others more often in the last year and as of late looses to players he never had to in the past. He will still be the favorite on grass and especially at Wimbledon.
    Nadal will get his mojo back but will never be as dominate as he was in 2008/early '09. That was his career year but he too will be a contender for quite a while to come, especially on clay. I have never felt he had much of a chance at the USO and certainly don't now.
    I think del Potro is a star on the rise and he can win at any of the four slams now, and of all players I think he is the most likely to wim multiple slams next year.
    Djokovic can still get better and more consistent but I still feel he has at least a few more slams in him and is most likely to achieve that in Australia, Flushing Meadow and other major hard court tournaments.
    Murray has certainly shown potential and flashes of brilliance, but I feel you have seen him at his best already. I will be shocked if he ever wins a slam. He will come close a few more times though.
    IMO, next year could easily have four different slam winners and just might have a surprise first timer in the likes of Soderling, Tsonga or even Andy Roddick finally getting that Wimbledon title with a declining Federer, who has been his big obstacle there.

    My predictions for slam winners next year are:

    AO: del Potro over Djokovic
    RG: Nadal over del Potro
    W: Federer over Djokovic
    US: Djokovic over Tsonga
     
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    While I think Tsonga is good player, he is not a great player, and I doubt he will ever be considered great - OK, some thinks you're great if you play inside the Top 20 on the ATP tour, but great in my view is winning multiple slams and being no. 1 in the world.
    Tsonga has a nice energetic game, good serve, hard forehand and pretty good hands at the net and I like to see him play - but he will never be great and will never win more than max 2 slams in my view.

    My predictions:

    AO: Djokster or Fed
    RG: Nadal or Fed (if Nadals get beaten before meeting Fed)
    W: Fed or Roddick
    US: Djokster or Fed
     
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    I wasn't even considering "greatness" in regards to Tsonga and nowhere did you read in my post the word great in reference to Tsonga. There have and always will be winners of slam tournaments that never achieve "greatness". I will say that outside the current top few ranked players, it is certainly in the realm of possibillity for Tsonga or a few others to achieve that. I do think Tsonga will be good for a few slam wins, maybe not ever getting to the number one rank.
     
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  8. lawrence

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    Tsonga for USO finals? I had a good laugh.
     
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    It's been a fabulous year, that's for sure. Full of surprises, breakout performances that none of us could have predicted.
    Here's how they fared:

    1. With the way Rafa started out it looked to be a stellar year for the handsome Mallorcan. Then, the loss at the French, injuries galore, and troubles on the home front slowed his roll to a complete stop.

    2. Fed started the year low on confidence, ended up regaining his Wimbledon trophy and won the French for the first time. An extra bonus was year end #1.

    3. Djokovic seemed to be in a funk much of the season, but did a fabulous job of turning it around during the fall swing. He got his name back out there and put himself in the hunt again.

    4. Murray may have gotten caught up in the pressures of expectations. He came into the year, supposedly as one who would take over the crown. Pundits had him surpassing both Rafa and Novak, but it didn't happen.

    5. Davydenko, always a bridesmaid, never a bride still managed to maintain his consistency and took quite a few scalps where previously he used to wilt.

    Where they are now:

    The storylines are changing.

    1. While Fed is still playing great, he's also playing a little distracted. Who knows what's on his mind as he competes these days?

    2. Rafa's got a lot of 'splaining to do, and a lot of work to get back to his previous form.

    3. Djokovic has got to quit being so testy on court at the important moments and get about the business of settling down on court, focusing and seeing the match out to its conclusion.

    4. Murray, he needs to stop reading the newspapers and listening to the experts. He needs to play others as aggressively as he plays Nadal.

    5. Roddick had gained some nice momentum, but who knows how the long layoff and marriage will effect the fact that he was making significant inroads.

    What's to come:

    Those are the tried and trues. Enter the newcomers.

    1. You gotta tip your hat to JMDP. He came on strong and showed his mettle by winning the Open in his maiden grand slam facing none other than Roger Federer. And, after taking a brief respite came back strong in the WTF.

    2. Verdasco had a breakout year and gained a ton of experience in big matches. He didn't snag one of the slams, but hopefully he now believes he can.

    3. Soderling, with his precise and hard hitting ball made a significant impression on the tour and a history making moment in dethroning Nadal at the French, while he followed up with a first time appearance at the WTF.

    This coming year is going to be fascinating with titles changing hands at an alarming rate. This folks is what tennis is all about, and also what makes it such an exciting game.

    I'm looking forward to it!
     
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  10. Agassifan

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    true. But how much of the strength is because of fed and nadal's decline?
     
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    Strongest since 1996, I'd say.
     
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    The top 2 players no longer have a lock on the slams, which is partly due to the depth in the mens game. You only have to look at the results at the World tour finals this week, where numerous competitive 3 set matches were played.

    Davydenko is mocked for being a mental midget, yet he has beat the top 3 players this year in Masters events. Players like Soderling, Verdasco and Davydenko may not be GS contenders but they are capable of serious challenging the top 3 players on any given day. Compared to the lack of depth a few years ago, where you had the likes of Ljubicic, Blake, Robredo, Ferrer effectively making up the numbers in the top 10.

    Then you have Del Potro who seems to be one of the most well balanced big hitters the game has seen for some time... Hopefully next year a new star will be born in the mens game, like Baghdatis at the Aus Open. Perhaps its time for Dimitrov to make his move??
     
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    Very good points throughout and a tip of my hat to TheTruth for a good thread and some very good observations.

    Going based on what's happened thus far, I see the same characters coming to the fore next year at the guys at the WTF this year. The only exception is Verdasco. I think he rose to the highest point he can reach. Unfortunately for him the YEC was a watershed moment which showed him he doesn't have the game or the heart to hang with the big dogs. Sort of like Ferrer the year before last.

    Davy in my book is still not going to win a slam (even though I wish he does or at least gets to the finals) because I think inherently he hates big stages. The YEC, while still being the most toughest tournament outside the slams, is still relatively obscure outside tennis circles. Kolya likes to stay under the radar and that will always hamper him.

    Robin Soderling is definitely top 5 material. I think he will continue to give us good performances. He will need to work some more on his strategy and rounding out his game to consistently figure at the quarters and better at slams.

    JMDP is here to stay baby. This guy is going to win multiple slams. I just don't see any downsides to him. Everything the british press hypes up Murray, you will see this guy do first. Including a Wimby title in future even though its not his best surface. He will also win the FO at some point in his career. Look out for this kid to be the next career slam contender. (After Nadal of course, but I doubt Nadal is going to win the USO)

    Murray will spring back from these losses but as he's shown time and again, his game is not very conducive for when he needs an easy win against aggressive players. There's only so much running you can do. Ask Nadal.

    Nadal is also going to come back, but something tells me he's lost some of his aura and that's going to work against him. I think there's more confidence in the locker room when someone plays him.

    Djoko's star is going to shine brightly if he can keep himself more disciplined and not so bound to his emotions on court. He;s shown us again recently how good his game is. Again, a multiple slam winner on multiple surfaces I think at the end of his career.

    Most promising new kid on the block? Marin Cilic. He's got the game, but some tangibles have to start clicking for this guy.
     
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  14. Australian Open: Nadal

    Roland Garros: Nadal

    Wimbledon: Djokovic

    US Open: Murray


    :shock::shock::shock::shock:
     
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  15. President of Serve/Volley

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    I really wouldn't be surprised if Federer makes all 4 finals again, or even win them all.... Little bit of luck, he can do it.

    Yes, his play level has declined since 2006, but he might pull an Andre Agassi.
     
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    Agreed...This top 10 is really pretty awesome, with the top 2 being all time greats, young guys like DelPo, Djokovic and Murray, a solid guy like Roddick, Davy is playing great tennis right now and guys like Soderling are really, REALLY dangerous, especially when they're on.

    I think going forward in 2010, well see Federer win at least one slam, and I think DelPo will win one as well. Nadal should be the favorite for the French, but how he comes out in Australia should tell us a lot about his future in this sport. Djokovic might keep this little run going, and I fear for Murray that it will be slam disappointment again. If Davydenko can strike the ball like he is now, he is good enough and fit enough to win a slam.

    It should be a highly entertaining 2010, that's for sure.
     
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    buddy did you see Tsonga play at the US open this year. He actually did good in his matches. So he has a bigger chance to win either Us open and Aus open thatn the others. French Open for sentimental reasons. ANything can happen in tennis/!
     
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  18. GasquetGOAT

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    Good thread by thetruth.
     
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  19. TMF

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    Disagree. Today's players are bigger, stronger, faster. The 90's would get overpower.
     
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    I would say it is the strongest since 1995.
     
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    LOL...worst predictions I have read to date.
     
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    I hope I can bump this thread again when it's a Fed/Rafa show again in 2010. I believe Fed will play better in 2010 than in 2009. Rafa too. My prediction: Fed 3 slams, rafa 1

    I hope the weak-era theory morons can see what is happening: fed & rafa are off their game a bit, and suddenly the entire field seems very strong (let's be honest here - Fed & Rafa were playing possibly their worst tennis of the year for the past few weeks; fed can't seem to find his serve, & rafa his anything).
     
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    Azzurri, why so bad? The only one I question is Tsonga. Really see Fed or D.P..
     
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    looks good for men's tennis

    I think the top 10 is strong and that will extend to the top 20 this year, some guys are coming out of the woodwork and let's hope for fireworks in Oz!
    Maybe an unexpected Mens Champ Downunder? Certainly lots of upsets are programmed.

    I still hope Federer and Nadal re-establish their rivalry, it has been great for the sport and it has pushed all the other guys to lift their standard. The 2 still define the sport and polarise fans (this forum is a good example!).

    I see it as a positive that the other top 10 guys are working harder and this message will spread to the guys on the whole tour. Men's tennis is healthy and selling well.

    The Masters was great for tennis in LONDON and the UK generally, even if it had limited public tv, the tickets sold well and it translated well internationally.

    Davy winning shows to a lot of guys that fitness, speed and taking it early is the way to go. So they should be all working hard over Xmas and New Year:twisted:

    Merry Xmas boys, come out firing in the New Year , 2010 ! :)
     
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    You are missing one key thing: Faster surfaces in 1996, the serve and volleyers would have a blast playing the baseliners today...

    Indoors would be quite ugly with Boris Becker and Pete Sampras. If you think Nadal got beat pretty badly during these WTF, I can only imagine what would have happened had he played vs Becker on indoors....
     
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    This just proves how weak the argument is that Fed dominated during a weak era. The fact that players like Davydenko are beating Fed now just shows how good Fed was during his prime. I'm confident that if you took a time traveling DeLorean to 2005-2006 and brought Fed from that time period to 2009, he'd school the current top 10, including the current Fed.
     
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    Was that sarcasm?
     
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    I just realised that Fed has finished top 2 for the last 7 years -

    03 - 2
    04 - 1
    05 - 1
    06 - 1
    07 - 1
    08 - 2
    09 - 1

    I cant see Fed finishing lower than 2 and see him with at least 2 slams next year.
     
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    No dobut about that of course, the 2006 Federer would rule over any Federer, I'd agree with that.
     
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    If you speed up the surfaces, the S & V would have the upper hand....
     
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    "playing the baseliners today"

    Did you mean baseliners "of" today?

    Everyone hits 130+ it seems like, while in the 90's there were only a few and didnt have much game to back it up (like karlovic is today). Now we got baseliners starting the point with a 130+ :(
     
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    So why do you think they don't speed up the surfaces? Could it be because there aren't that many people complaining about the all baseline game of today? This thing runs in cycles. Once people voice their concern(loudly) about not having enough S&V,changes will be made to enable this type of game again. Until then,not a chance. And seeing how this new generation of baseliners is looking to be promising I don't think we will see this change pretty soon.
     
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    They don't speed up the surfaces because one shot tennis to some people is not fun. However, I do see that the surfaces are becoming faster than in years past. For instance, the WTF seemed to be fairly fast in comparison to 2006-2007 which was awfully slow.
     
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    Yes, of today. Only Federer would stand a decent chance vs the prime vollyers of the 90s or 80s, since he is likely the best volleyer of the top 10. You think Nadal would have a good chance on a super quick surface of the 90s and 80s? Serve and Volley can comeback if the ATP puts it on "super quick" mode for every surface, except clay.
     
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    The WTF had its fastest surface since 2005, which was supposely the fastest it had in the past since 2000?
     
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    Put those s/v players in the 90's and play this year RR, they get pass left and right. DP hit 106 mph forehand...good luck at being at the net!
     
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    Yes, I'd agree on today's surface speed, but put DP vs Boris Becker in the surface speeds of 1992, Becker wins that easily!
     
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    I think the more competitive top ten is just a result of the Fedal decline. If they were both playing at the level they used to play at, I still think they would be miles ahead of the others.
     
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    I am surprised that none of you have mentioned Cilic for this upcoming year. I really see him breaking in the top 10. I have big hopes on him.
     
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    easily? this over-hyping of the 90s players is getting ridiculous.. becker was andre's pigeon, and Delpo does everything better than Agassi.. becker would not have a prayer against Delpo's serve or his ground strokes. I'd think faster surfaces would favor delpo, moreso than the slower ones.

    conclusion: i don't see how becker would win "easily" (or for that matter, win at all), against Delpo...
     
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    On grass and carpet, Becker would win easily, no doubt. On clay, Del Potro would win nearly as easily. However, I think that on hard court (both fast and slow) Del Potro would win pretty convincingly. Becker's "big" serve would not faze Del Potro. Soderling's serve was consistently getting to 135 yesterday, and Del Potro was returning it decently well. Becker's serve is only 120. He would get passed left and right.
     
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    LOL. Yes, little Davydenko is certainly, bigger, stronger, faster.
    The premise of this thread, that the victory by a nondescript player like Davydenko someone proves the awesomeness of today's top 10, is equally amusing. Obviously, it proves the opposite, showing the weakness of today's top 10, beyond Federer. (I once would have added Nadal as a rare example of strength as well, but he's way off form right now).
     
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    If he volleys better,serves better,and start moving forward more,i think he can win.
    Nobody beats all those guys he's beaten only on this tournament for nothing.
    It just shows he can,but sometimes the matches he plays is not decided on his racquet.
    Example:when he plays Federer,Del Potro,Tsonga,normally these takes the initiative of the points and actions.
    But his footwork i think is amazing,and nobody is able to take the ball early from both sides,change the direction of it,and so consistently as he does.
    I'd go ahead and say not only the top 10,but the top 15 is the strongest ever,which is really good for Tennis.
    Nowadays all of them can win.
     
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    Again, Becker faced Pete and had a decent record vs him and Pete's serve is a million times better than Delpo, and he did okay with it, and you say Becker wouldn't have a chance vs Delpo? That's is silly.
     
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    More power on his groundstrokes. Much better serve. Worse movement is offset by greater reach. Neither is very good at net, but JMDP's larger wingspan make him more effective. And JMDP is still very young. He is still rapidly improving.
     
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    I'd agree on power with you Mr. President. And of course he is improving, but it's crazy to say Delpo has the angles and ball striking ability that Andre had, but time will tell if I am mistaken.
     
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    Yeah, I agree that he doesn't have the angles. But that is just one part of it. JMDP's power I believe allows him to (more than) compensate for this. As for "ball striking", Del Potro hits the ball pretty cleanly himself.

    I mean, if you judged solely on those two categories that you mentioned, you would have to consider Davydenko to be better than Agassi as well. He definitely has better angles, and he hits the ball just as cleanly. In addition, his footwork is better!

    Overall, I think JMDP is a better player than Agassi was (note: not GREATER, but better), and he will get even better.
     
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    Maybe Rafa doesn't get back that April 08 to April 09 domination, but he'll be a contender.
     
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    I can't believe you say Davydenko is better then Agassi. Agassi won 8 slams, 17 Masters, 1 YEC, 60 overall titles, YE #1 in 1999 and Career Golden Slam. Denko doesn't even come close.
     
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    I didn't say he was GREATER than Agassi (which is what achievements show), nor do I think he is BETTER than Agassi. I was just showing President of Serve/Volley that you cannot judge a player solely on the two criteria that he used to say Agassi was better than JMDP.
     
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