"This means nothing in terms of Paris, it's a completely different surface,"

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  1. TheNatural

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    Nadal looks to Paris after Madrid Masters defeat

    MADRID (AFP) — Rafael Nadal shrugged off his Madrid Masters final defeat to Roger Federer and insisted that it will not have a detrimental effect on his bid to lift a record fifth successive French Open title.

    The world number one saw his 33-match winning run on clay brought to a halt in a one-sided 6-4, 6-4 loss to his old rival in the pair's 20th career meeting.

    But Nadal, who has won the last four French Open titles and has never been defeated in Paris, believes the slower, Roland Garros courts will suit him more.

    "This means nothing in terms of Paris, it's a completely different surface," said Nadal, who has defeated Federer in the last three French Open finals.

    "He was better than me (in Madrid on Sunday) and deserved to win, but the court was very quick and that helped him. I played too short, made too many mistakes and he made the most of that."

    For Federer, Sunday's win was a timely boost in his campaign to lift an elusive French Open.

    His win ended a five-match, 18-month losing streak against the Spaniard, a run which included three Grand Slam finals - the 2008 French Open and Wimbledon, as well as this year's Australian Open.

    It also halted Nadal's 33-match winning streak on clay, a sequence stretching back over a year to the Rome second round in 2008.

    Federer fired two aces, his fifth and sixth of the 88-minute final, to wrap up the victory and lift his record in finals against his Spanish rival to 5-11.

    Federer now heads into the French Open, which starts next Sunday, with a huge confidence boost after finally defeating the man who stripped him of his Wimbledon title last summer.

    "Clearly I'm very happy to win," said Federer. "I played well - you have to against Rafa on clay. There are no easy ways to beat him. I mixed it up well, served well and was dangerous on the return game.

    "I took all the right decisions. In the end it looked very comfortable, it was a perfect win.

    "It's not like a relief, I was so close to him at Melbourne and Wimbledon. But I always kept the belief that I could beat him again. That's what you need on this kind of surface, I stayed positive.

    "I've had some bad losses this year but everything is starting to fall into place, it's the right time to get a victory like this."

    Nadal, who had won claycourt titles in Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome this spring, was visibly jaded from his semi-final on Saturday when he needed over four hours to defeat Novak Djokovic.

    It was a match too far the top seed who was unable to squeeze motivation or power out of a weary body after complaining of problems with his knees in that marathon encounter.

    The second-seeded Swiss fired 25 winners against just 12 for Nadal.

    The 13-time Grand Slam title winner Federer broke twice while Nadal was unable to convert on any of his four break chances.

    Sunday's result gave Federer his seventh career win against the world number one compared to 13 defeats. It was also his 58th title.

    "I played four hours on Saturday, so I was tired. But if Roger played just 80 minutes in his semi-final, that's because he was better than me on Saturday."

    Federer won 585,000 euros (790,000 dollars) and a car as he extracted some revenge in the pair's first meeting since the Australian Open final five months ago which ended with him reduced to tears.

    Nadal still leads Federer 11-5 in finals, including wins in the last three at Roland Garros.

    The Spaniard's defeat was only his fifth on clay over 155 matches dating back to 2005.
     
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  2. IvanAndreevich

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    Why don't you just download some Sampras photos instead of copy-pasting stuff and bolding what you like?
     
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    I dont think it means much in relation go RG, but Im sure it will boost Fed's confidence a bit. But I wouldnt want any of Nadal now at RG considering what happened today. Nadal may go off on a bagel spree at RG. Who the hell is going to want to face a pissed off Nadal on clay?
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Someones getting pretty desperate...
     
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    he is right, to a certain extent. I mean it's still the same surface. Clay is still clay, but madrid certainly played faster and suited those with big serves.
     
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    I don't think it means NOTHING. It means that Fed is in a winning position against Nadal on clay, he can STILL pull the trigger and actually win. I actually thought he was going to choke right up till the last moment, just as he's done many times in the past.
     
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    well of course it doesn't mean nothing, but in the big scheme of things, this match really has no relevance on RG. Completely different conditions, although I don't know why he said completely different surface. It's still clay, but I'm going to assume he meant the conditions. Oh yeah, as far as the choking went, I didn't trust him to serve it out and then when he was down 15-40, I thought it was all over, but to my surprise he came through and I am very happy.
     
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    It has relevance for RG. No matter that the surface is different. It has mental significance.
     
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    well ofcourse, I will agree with that. That is one of the reasons I am so happy roger won. It will certainly give him some confidence going in, but to be honest, I don't see anything changing. Rafa is still the huge favorite and I truly expect him to easily beat his opponents on his way to the final and win.
     
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  10. AprilFool

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    I played four hours on Saturday, so I was tired. But if Roger played just 80 minutes in his semi-final, that's because he was better than me on Saturday."

    Nadal has class.
     
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    Yes, I agree. The Madrid surface is COMPLETELY different than Roland Garros. The surface at Roland Garros is EXACTLY the same as at Wimbledon and at the Australian Open. That's the ONLY reason Nadal was able to win at RG, Wimbledon, and the AO but wasn't even close to beating Federer in Madrid. :roll: :oops:
     
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    Maybe my standards are too high, but I also didn't think Nadal played that great in Rome. IMO his form last year was more deadly than this year.

    He is the obvious favorite, but he's not infallible as some make him out to be.
     
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    I agree! Ofcourse the Nadal camp will say that the surface is completely different blah blah blah...They will always try their best to hold onto the mental edge that Nadal has...but it gives a confidence boost to Fed no matter how different the conditions are just because it is still clay in the end...
    Will this confidence be enough to beat Nadal? only time will tell...
     
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    Nadal's just speaking the truth, man. :)
     
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    $800,000? jesus
     
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    He's right to a certain degree. I really don't expect this loss to zap his confidence, and I'm sure he still fully believes he'll win in Paris. Basically, I wouldn't bet against him just because he lost today.

    But, the win for Fed still means something. Granted it will be harder for Fed to win in Paris (if they meet) on the slower surface and over best of 5 sets, but I still think the win completely changes his mindset, gives him confidence, and helped him figure out some things to implement against Nadal on clay.
     
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    That's pretty funny, Breakpoint!
     
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    not bad for a week's work?
     
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    Yeah, he certainly hasn't been his best at this tournament and perhaps that could be due to the conditions are the amount of tournaments he played, which by the way is his fault for not managing his schedule, but like you said, he is still the obvious favorite. At RG, if fed makes it to the final, his serve will not be such a huge weapon as it was today. However, if fed can keep it together mentally and execute well, he could have a chance.
     
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    Exactly! I agree! Nadal still the favourite going into RG by a mile...but atleast Fed is in a better mental state to challenge him incase they meet again...
     
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    I agree that the surface is better suited for Federer against Nadal than RG is, but the fact is that Federer played with the right tactics that would work even at RG. It will be more difficult to execute because Nadal will get more shots back plus he has to sustain it for 3-5 sets, so the odds are still against Federer but I think the mind is a powerful thing and he might have more self-believe than he has in previous years. Its no coincidence the guy has won 13 slams. He may have been in a slump or even a decline during the past year, but he's still a champion and still can perform at top notch.
     
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    Of course Fed was better in the semi because he faced a much easier semi opponent on clay.(as we know from the last 2 times Fed faced Joker ) :oops:
     
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    Yes, the last two times they played on clay. The first time in which Federer was up a set and a break so Djokovic called it quits due to a sore throat. And the second time in which Federer was up a set and a break and called it quits because he had to go take care of his pregnant wife. :oops:
     
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    That was the match where Joker won 5 games in a row in set 2 and 5 games in a row in set 3.This is almost like 2 bagels.A little tougher than Facing Del Potro No?:oops: So that was due to Fed taking care of his pregnant while he was on court playing? :roll:
     
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    I agree. It has mental significance. But look at the stats after the match also. Nadal won only 45% of his second serves, Roger took full advantage of his weakness in that department this time, and if you factor in the slower RG clay this strategy could help him even more.

    In the article Nadal mentions he threw too many short balls for Roger, but he actually didnt have much choice. Roger was returning everything to his BH which made it harder to return solid high balls to Roger's BH. When people look at the results they only look at the difference in the clay, there was some difference in the way Roger handled the match this time and too me that's what made the real difference this time around.
     
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    I am left thinking that Nadal's BH was seriously underperforming today. It seemed like whenever he went for it even a bit, he missed. It's also been less then stellar lately in other matches. That helped Federer a lot.
     
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    Exactly! Because Federer mentally went into la-la land in the last two sets not because Djokovic played any better. Djokovoc only had to get up off his chair after each changeover to win. Federer had already made his point.
     
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    I think Rafa just gets tired and injured more often. He plays a very demanding physical game. It looked to me like he was just worn out when he played Andy Murray at the U.S. Open last year. As he gets older I think we'll see less of Rafa winning every single tournament and more cases where he surprises everyone at the grand slams, if surprise is even possible for someone who wins so much. Probably like Sampras who used to win every single match for a time as well.

    Roger plays with so much more finesse that it doesn't effect him as much. Just like at Wimbledon 2004 when Roddick played so well. It only went 4 sets but Roddick was worked at the end of that match. Federer doesn't even seem tired or sweaty when he loses.
     
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    I guarantee you that Fed is at home praying that Joker isn't in his half of the draw at Roland Garros.
     
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    On the contrary. Federer loves a challenge. He wants to play Djokovic and Nadal because he wants to prove he's the best. In fact, he wants to prove he's better than them at their own games. Why do you think he's spent all these years trying to beat Nadal from the baseline? And why he beat Sampras by serving and volleying?
     
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    Fed cannot handle either Joker or Nadal from the baseline. He will lose as soon as he faces either of these at Roland Garros and order will be restored.
     
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    Yeah, that's what you said before today's final in Madrid and before the US Open semis last year. :oops:
     
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    That's what I said Before the AO final. Before Madrid I said It was Fed's best chance ever due to Nadal's condition. But they have an extra days rest in the slams so no problems. :)

    Just wait and you'll see I'll be right again at Roland Garros.;)
     
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    Fed better hope for some dry conditions at RG. Otherwise Nadal will have plenty of time returning Fed's serve. Nadal knows how much better he is with slower clay. See RG 2008 for what Nadal is capable of.
     
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    Nah, you better hope for wet conditions. The guy already has $100 mil and 13GS - he's alright. It's you who we should be worried about. If Nadal was to lose you could commit suicide.
     
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    I'm just fine with Nadal losing. Please stop with the personal attacks. It is quite lame to go that way.
     
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  38. IvanAndreevich

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    You are fine with Nadal losing? Then, when he does, don't post a freaking excuse or say that his opponent didn't deserve to win. Or say that the real final was played yesterday. Or blah blah blah. You get the idea.
     
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    I tell it like I see it. I get very annoyed with Fed fans as well. They are very annoying when given the opportunity to be so. So many horrible threads after this match today.
     
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    Yeah, you have an awesome objective lens through which you see plenty of potential excuses (sometimes ahead of time) for every single Nadal loss.

    I am not doubting the fact that some of the Fed fans come with excuses too. But there isn't a single one out there who's come with more excuses for Fed than you've come with for Nadal.

    According to you, when was the last time Nadal was beaten fair and square by a better opponent?
     
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    Nadal rarely loses but Nadal lost without any problems but a bad attitude over in Miami to Del Potro. Humidity was overwhelming as well. Not that's an excuse. It's just not Nadal's preferred conditions. Get my point?
     
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    This is great. You have 2 reasons there which you claim had affected his loss there: bad attitude and humidity.

    Let me try this again.

    When was the last time Nadal lost when he played his best tennis and the ONLY reason you can give is that his opponent kicked his ass by playing better tennis?

    What I am asking is a player and a date, no sort of explanation. Otherwise there could be more reasons within the explanation.
     
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    Those are conditions and Nadal's fault to it getting to him. They are not excuses and Del Potro deserved that match. But if Nadal chose a hard court tournament to suit him, Miami is not it due to the humidity.
     
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    You have to admit, it's been a while. Currently, if he plays his best tennis, he's practically unbeatable. That's just a fact. The same was true of Fed a few years ago.
     
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  45. IvanAndreevich

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    Well, I don't have to admit anything I am just asking a question. Would you like to provide an answer from your perspective to my question?

    Alright, so what you are saying is that Nadal played his best in Miami 2009 and Del Potro was the better player?
     
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    No one beats Nadal playing his best. Nadal played respectable and Del Potro played great. I would say Nadal played very well against Verdasco and almost lost at the Australian Open.
     
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    Whatever. There is no way to verify such stupid things and they only exist in the minds of delusional fans. He was playing solid at AO 2008.. I remember Tsonga kicked his asss pretty good.
     
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    Nadal played horrible against Tsonga. He was hitting everything short. You are obviously a hater.
     
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    Stop hating on Rafa. I know you are trying very hard to paint a picture of him being a wuss, but we are not buying it.
     
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    When it was 15-40 I started shaking my head thinking "Here we f_cking go again" I had the control in my hand and was prepared to turn the tv off if Roger had lost the game because that would have all but been game set match for Rafa.
     
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