This video is ridiculous

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  1. raiden031

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    The NTRP ratings are *supposed* to be leveled out across the US by using benchmark ratings obtained during Nationals. So if a strong 3.5 player from Wyoming got bageled by a strong 3.5 from california, then the strong 3.5 player from Wyoming's rating should drop maybe towards the lower end of 3.5 and then the ratings of guys in his league should drop as well.

    But I think this has some effect, but not as much as would be ideal simply because too small a sample is being used to do this and someone's true rating cannot be determined by a few good or bad days at Nationals. So as a result sometimes different areas get skewed based on a few players' performance at Nationals.
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    Sorry but it's true. What happens in California is that almost everybody plays down because there are very few 5.0 and 5.5 teams. People don't like to play on the few teams that do exist because they only play 3 matches per meet, i.e., 2 doubles and only 1 singles, there's so few other teams to play against, and you probably have to travel far to play a match. So if you prefer to play only singles, you're probably not going to play very much. Thus, just about everybody plays below their true levels, e.g., 5.0's and 5.5's play in the 4.5 league, 4.5's and 5.0's play in the 4.0 league, etc., etc. Everything gets pushed down.

    This may also happen in some other regions, but in CA there are just so many good players that the lower levels are flooded with them, so it's not just a few people like maybe in the other sections. I know of ex-college players are that playing in the 3.5 leagues around here.

    The guys in that video that made it to the Southen 4.0 sectionals look like they'd be average 3.5 players at best in CA.
     
  3. Vision84

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    Apparently not... I never heard of adding up the ratings before.
     
  4. WBF

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    Breakpoint: I've heard that all before. Someone was trying to tell me that player X wouldn't do well in NTRP Y in california or some other strong area, despite the fact that the guy's team went farther in a *higher* NTRP than any of these strong areas. I agree that you might have more depth, but you obviously don't have a significant level difference if you aren't wiping the floor *every single match every single year*.
     
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    In florida currently for the weekend. Can gladly report that people here overrate too.

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  6. autumn_leaf

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    i want to bump this thread for the fact that i just saw the video. i thought they weren't that good. i consider myself around a 3.0 - 3.5. i do agree with jolly that no one looks as good as they think they would on video and i can see myself playing like them on the more consistent rallies. though i would like to say the single #2 in the 3.5 play a lot better than this video which stated they were singles #1. i also watched the 4.0 one and the guy stays at the back scratching position for too long in my opinion.

    watching this video really made me want to tape myself and see if i look this bad (prolly do lol)
     
  7. z-money

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    lol great post. Was very entertaining
     
  8. Djokovicfan4life

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    Those guys could easily be 3.5's, I just can't get past the butt shaking. I clicked on that link to watch TENNIS!
     
  9. obnoxious2

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    I always thought myself as around a 3.5 player on a GOOD day. But after watching that video I must be atleast a 4.0 player on a bad day.
     
  10. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    It just depends on where you live. Some sections are alot more difficult then others.

    Take my example. I live in Texas. Texas is probably the #3 best section in USTA. If I lived in let's say.. NEW JERSEY, I would easily be rated 4.0, but since I live here in Texas, I am most likely rated low 3.5

    Here is a video of my strokes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ePNiYGsSc
     
  11. obnoxious2

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    What kind of grip are you using on you FH? Is it eastern? Looks like you were spraying alot of your forehands long.
     
  12. Djokovicfan4life

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    Careful, this has already happened before.
     
  13. zebano

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    Yes and I expect to watch good tennis when Nadal plays too, insted all I get is a bunch of butt picking. :???:

    A video like this makes me wonder just how bad my game looks from the sidelines. I guess I'll have to ask my hitting partner if he minds me doing some video taping.
     
  14. Djokovicfan4life

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    Seeing IS believing sometimes. It's easy to confuse the things we THINK we're doing with what we're doing in reality. I feel pretty confident in my service motion right now, but I'm sure on video it's a "3.0 at best" kind of thing.

    I haven't really seen myself at all except for one time, in a VERY brief vid. It wasn't pretty. :oops:
     
  15. Stchamps

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    Hahahahha that guy in gray is so funny. i may not be great but at least i call balls in and out fairly.
     
  16. smoothtennis

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    Batman - give it a break kid - you know you aren't a 3.5 - yeah, I read the whole thread where poeple were giving you a hard time and all. You are minumum 4.0 even in TX.
     
  17. WBF

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    Sectional differences are probably more depth oriented than overall talent oriented, or else you would see the strongest sections win EVERY year, as opposed to a significantly elevated number of years. There are simply more players at all levels, so you have more high-end-of-their-level people. This DOES NOT mean that there is a difference in what you can rate in different areas. Hell, I know a '4.5' from NJ who would ****ing tool a good number of 4.5's, 5.0's, and probably even 5.5's in Texas and California.
     
  18. smoothtennis

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    Good point WBF. Another thing I see here in TX. Let's just talk 3.5. I have personally witnessed a skill gap from the worst 3.5, to the best one's I have seen on court, actual hitting --- to the degree that if you were to see video of bottom to top - you wouldn't rate them at the same level. There is a wide margin going around. I imagine the top 3.5's would look about like the top 3.5's in most other places. And the lowest ones, would look about like the lowest one's elsewhere.

    Guys go out and play a top rated 3.5 tournament tough guy, and think that this is what '3.5' is. Well, it doesn't quite workout that way in reality. Other legit 3.5's may be quite a bit worse than that top tournament guy. What is 3.5 many people ask...it's a LOT of things. And it is very hard to capture on a video of what a 'legit' 3.5 looks like. Way too subjective.
     
  19. spiritdragon

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    sry, but i doubt it. mind posting some vids?
     
  20. goober

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    He already has. His kick serve is sick if it is the same one I am thinking about. I am not qualified to judge the difference between a 6.0 and 7.0 serve based on video though.:)
     
  21. Djokovicfan4life

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    LINK PLEASE? Sorry, but my serve stinks, I'd really like to see WBF blasting away at will! :)
     
  22. WBF

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    I'm not saying my serve rivals the best servers out there, I'm saying I can serve better than some top players. Not all of the top players have serves like Isner.

    The rest of my game, including capitalizing on the occasional shots that come back, is obviously far, far, far, far, far removed from these players.

    My conclusion was that one should not analyze one specific aspect of a players game alone when determining a rating. I did exaggerate a bit, but I would imagine you could find a 7.0 (particularly women, maybe a small handful of men) with a worse serve.

    smooth: exactly. people often only think of the very highest players within that category, and then they don't even consider the fact that these players exist in most, if not all, sections (there are just - probably - fewer of them).
     
  23. obnoxious2

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    I want to see his kick serve vid too. Mind posting the link? I searched but too many threads to go through...since it wasn't in any threads he started.
     
  24. WBF

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    Arg.


    Practice Serves
    Service Games (Ignore the terrible footwork and point construction! Serves slow here due to idiotic swaying while serving)


    First serves from practice clip were mostly between 110 and 125 (some over, some under) using someone's FPS/distance/Frames calculator. Second serves mostly between 95 and 110. A little less for the service game clip, but that's roughly how my games go, with a few more aces and free points.

    *edit*: no more derailing. Apologies for letting it get this far to begin with.
     
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  25. zebano

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    In Iowa here, we almost never have NTRP 3.0 sections, that means that everyone below 4.0 gets dumped into my 3.5 section...
     
  26. Djokovicfan4life

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    Your serve is amazing, WBF.
     
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    How good is your serve placement?
     
  28. smoothtennis

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    Nice serves WBF. I saw those before...they look even better on second viewing, hehe.
     
  29. Djokovicfan4life

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    Are you serious? :confused:
     
  30. Bungalo Bill

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    Yeah, that was amusing. The out call was simply lame. That ball was at least three to six inches in and he yells out? Then points to an imaginary spot behind the line.

    Footwork is needs som help. I would not have rated him a 3.5.
     
  31. SFrazeur

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    Those look like 3.Xs. The guy in the far with blue shorts has a very consistent, albeit weak serve and the guy in front can really shake his ass. So yeah he's a 3.0 just by that alone.

    -SF (Not feeling very serious today, obviously.)
     
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  32. split-step

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    WBF, it seems from the service games clip that at that speed you still have a good first serve percentage. That's very impressive.

    I have a question for you? What is the grip on your forehand? It looks like an eastern to me. I like your stroke.
     
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  33. obnoxious2

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    Nice serves WBF. You seem to have a short windup like Roddick that is working really well for you. I gotta learn how to do a kick serve like that.
     
  34. spiritdragon

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    your serves are good WBF and may rival some pro women but not men. u can rival some of them in terms of speed but i dont think that u have as much variety or as good service placement as them. nevertheless, u have a very good serve.
     
  35. Rafael_Nadal_6257

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    Very cool WBF...how old are you anyway??

    Impressive pace and action on serves, pretty good groundstrokes IMHO...your opponent's shots at 3:19 and 3:46 were very nice....

    Do you play tournies, for a college, USTA...??
     
  36. Rafael_Nadal_6257

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    Oh yeah your serve at :37, and the next one were tight :D (on practice serves clip)
     
  37. GuyClinch

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    Hmm. I haven't read this board in a year but nothing has really changed. Those guys are absolutely 3.5 here in the east. And of course the worst kind of league players - cheaters.

    But watch a video of you in MATCH SITUATIONS and see how it compares. My guess is not well..

    The simple fact is people are used to viewing pro video - and when they see ANY amateur about half of them feel they are much better...

    It happens every single time a video is posted. Everyone feels they would "kill" player of x.x rating.

    Pete
     
  38. WBF

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    Absolutely. It's amusing how some people simply can't gauge the difference between real life and video, although in their defense, it can be difficult if you haven't had much experience comparing the two.

    24; yep; my first two years; father-son, open (not as much as I would like)

    *shrug*. The statement was made more as a means of highlighting the fact that an individual stroke can't define a rating, the entire *game* (as ones *game* generates results, which is the only objective way to rate someone) must be examined. I'd give up my serve in an instant if it meant other aspects of my game such as footwork or preparation would improve, but at the moment, my serve is well above pretty much everything else in the rest of my game (which remains at the 4.5 or 5.0 level IMHO).

    I think it's a semi-western, no idea though! Thanks :)
     
  39. Djokovicfan4life

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    Service returns are the worst part IMO. The butt-shaker hits prancer serves and the guy hits it into the fence! :confused:
     

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