This Would Be Nadal's Finest Hour

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  1. winstonplum

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    If he were to beat Gasguet and Nole or Wawrinka, this would be the finest hour in Nadal's long and illustrious career. I'm guessing that he rates Wimby '08 as the highwater mark so far, but I think that this would quite trump that. Two US Opens, very close to reclaiming the #1 (assuming Nole beats Wawrinka), two slams in a year, 13 slams total (the same amount Fed had at the end of his 27th year). It just will be damn near amazing. Sweeping the summer hc circuit.

    If he can pull this off, well, I don't know what as Nadal fans we could ever ask for again. Getting RG in 2012 and 2013 was just about the bees-knees, but if he can dig down deep and pull this thing off, we really shouldn't complain about anything ever for the rest of his career.
     
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    He doesn't have to dig deep. Best HC player this year, easy draw, there's no way this would be a tough win.
     
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    I haven't complained since this season in 2010.

    (Of course, I got to see that final live. :mrgreen: )

    Let's not jinx it though. Just like the Rafanator says, "Very happy to be in semis. Very good result. One match at a time."

    :-D
     
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  4. winstonplum

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    True, he is the best HC player of the year, but he will have to dig very, very deep if he beats Gasquet and plays Nole. That will be a war. Both Nole and Rafa caught big breaks in the draw. That's why they call it the "luck of the draw."
     
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    As far as the Nadal-Djokovic rivalry goes, I agree.

    In 2010, Djokovic was the weaker player (regardless of what the betting odds were), and in 2011 Nadal was the weaker player.

    This year, thanks to their match at the Rogers Cup, it's more clear how they stand against each other. Nadal won that match, but Djokovic has more experience in the finals of this event. I would reckon that the two players now are more equal in ability than in 2010 or 2011.

    A championship for Nadal here would bolster the impressiveness of his 2010 victory and give him the edge over Djokovic on this surface, sort of like his 2008 win at Wimbledon vis-a-vis Federer.


    With the French Open, though, Nadal is still battling against history. Next year, he has the opportunity to extend his championship count to 9. Lots of players can say they won the US Open 2 times, but how many can say they won any one slam 9 times?
     
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    I don't put this on par with 2008 Wimbledon. Novak has had a very iffy year, so I don't consider his fitness worthy of Wimbledon standards.
     
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    In what universe does he have to dig deep to beat Gasquet?! Nole maybe, but he's not playing anywhere close to his best. I think Rafa will be well rested, Djoker has a much much tougher match. It could be a close match and I hope it is.
     
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    The summer triple would be a mammoth accomplishment and it would also be a slap in the face to all those players supposedly "hard court specialists": Fed, Djoko, Murray who have never been able to do it. It would be the ultimate conquest of hard court for Rafa to achieve that. (With WTF as the next step of course).
     
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    He's not beating Djokovic.
     
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    Good question. :)

    Look at Wimbledon, Djokovic played in top form all the way up to the finals and then he simply disappointed big time.

    In Montreal it was clearly Nadal who ran the show.

    US open seems to repeat the same thing that happened in Wimbledon, so far he is playing with great form but what will the finals bring?

    I think the stakes are currently higher for Djokovic, I think he must prove himself to still belong in the top 3. For Nadal that is different, even if Nadal looses the US open his record for the year is still great.
     
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    He just did. Twice.
     
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    Djokovic is slumping. He is very beatable, while Nadal is showing absolutely no weaknesses in ANY parts of his game.

    Djokovic will have to come forward and beat Nadal, displaying his best tennis. I am not sure he wants it that badly.
     
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    Wasn't the Montreal match only won by Nadal by the thinest of margins? ie final set tie break.
     
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    When was the last time Nadal beat Djokovic on a hard court in a slam? Exactly..
     
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    2010. Not that long ago really. (And it was at the USO). He was also very close to beating Djoko at AO 2012. The match should be a beauty.
     
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    Djokovic is slumping? Uh, the guy has made like another SF of a slam backed up by a win, a semi and a runner up.













    BTW, I do believe people are fools to just hand Nadal the trophy. I understand he beat Djokovic (who at that time had literally no rest) on hard courts recently in Toronto, but take that win away and Djokovic has won the last 4 meetings on hard courts - a big factor when you consider they played arguably the two biggest MS titles (IW and Miami 2011) and the two slams. Djokovic is Nadal's worst matchup on every single surface, but is even harder on hard courts. Djokovic has proven himself to be the best hard court player since 2011, and probably in the last 6 seasons, if you add everything up with his slam in 2008 and various MS titles (along with WTF) then he has been the best all round on hard for the past 6 years. I really hope they both make the final, so Djokovic can put Nadal to rest one final time.
     
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    There's still 2 more matches left for him to win before we can talk about his finest moment.

    He will need to be at his VERY best to beat Novak. His first serve percentage needs to be much better than it has in his past couple of matches otherwise Novak will capitalise with his return ability.

    Of course, he needs to beat Gasquet first which he should based on their history and Rafa's form but the job still needs to be done.
     
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    I don't think it would be his finest moment. Nice achievement to beat Novak though (if it turns out to be Novak). I'd rate Wimbledon 08 as finer for sure.
     
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    2011 is ling history now. Djokovic isnt in god mode, and Rafa believes he can beat Djoker.

    That being said, this match would be close to a tossup, with a slight edge to the more in form Rafa
     
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    He barely beat Djokovic on his favorite surface. And Djokovic was off in Montreal. Just like Nadal was off in Monte-Carlo. The final will prove who is best on hardcourts.
     
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    +1. Nadal is not winning USO and is not beating Djokovic.
    Too much hype after couple of lucky wins and cakewalk draws.
     
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    UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH? Why would it be the ultimate conquest? It's not like he swept the entire HC season from AO till USO, like he does with clay.
    Djokovic has won AO, IW and Miami so he's already done a triple himself. So has Federer. So how is it unparalleled again?
     
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    It would indeed be Nadal's finest hour (although Wimbledon 08 will no doubt remain the finest match he has ever played in).

    To win a 2nd US Open would be huge. No man in the Open Era has been a multiple champion at all of the game's three biggest tournaments (Wimbledon, USO, FO).
     
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    I realize that it's a coin-flip. I'd say 52/48 Rafa right now. It will be a war. Nole 2.0 is the greatest challenge of Nadal's career. If is happens, this is it. Ground zero. The ultimate. To beat this new Nole at the US Open after having been beaten at the US Open and AO by new Nole. Their RG final was decided by Nole running into the net; their 2012 AO was decided by Rafa missing a sitter backhand. If this match happens it will be war, it will be long, and it will be a huge accomplishment for Rafa if he wins. The biggest of his career!
     
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    Well put, but I don't think you can separate out the spirituality. Challenges aren't meant to last forever. Challenges are a temporary imposition to test a person's strength, and probe for weaknesses under tough conditions. Nole 2.0 was the challenger, Ground Zero was Roland Garros, D-day: June 10 - 11th, 2012 & June 7, 2013. Nadal successfully overcame those challenges. His hardcourt run and this 2013 USO seem fitting rewards.

    This because within a challenge is the promise of some kind of payoff. Nadal defeating Djokovic on clay at Roland Garros isn't a big enough payoff - the Gods a much more generous than that.
     
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    I think Nadal is by far the favorite to win. This is the most aggressive I've ever seen him play. Every shot is a weapon for him at the moment - even his backhand.

    Also Nadal is damn near gauranteed to make the final, but Djokovic might not even get by Wawa.
     
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    Montreal, Cincy, and USOpen. Not many folks have done that.
     
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    Who's going to win the tournament, Bertie?
     
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    Just because you think so, doesn't make it so.

    People didnt think Rafa would win Grass, he did. People didnt think Rafa could win on HC, where he won Olympic Gold! Rafa has won 8 FO, which at this point, isn't so surprising. I doubt the Montreal, Cincy, USOpen ranks ahead of those other matches.
     
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    <blush> I'm no fortune teller.
     
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    I mean...are you for real? The only thing he has to prove that his slump is temporary and he's No.1 for a reason.
     
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    You did say that Cvac wouldn't win it, but I wouldn't stand by that if I were you. Lol.
     
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    What would you think of a Stan-Richard final..... Either both playing lights out, or Rafa-Novak saying eff-u to USOpen for how horribly the treat the players. Both know a Monday afternoon final gets less visibility for tennis. Which is a bit dismissive to the finalists. The USOpen has banked on the SF, more than the finals. Personally, I would love to see a Stan v. Richard final. I doubt that will happen, so, I'm going to have to stick with rooting for Nadal.
     
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    Yes, this is true. Novak is in the middle of his down cycle - "slump" as his fans like to call it. This cycle has a full 12 months yet before completion.
     
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    I hope and wish Nadal loses in the finals in 3 or 4 sets, may be lose again at WTF and AO 14 and finally FO.
     
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    It would be hilarious and a nice change, no doubt. Problem is, would it deliver? And I don't trust Gasquet.

    He can easily revert back to his usual boring percentage play at any given time.
     
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    Well, I do agree on the Gasquet point. On one hand I would love it! Ironically, if it happened, Fed would be bumped out of the race to London! Obviously, Fed could get more points, but so could Gasquet and Wawa!

    Edited..... And it would give USOpen as the tourney where there's been a new winner since 2008!
     
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    I would love to see Wawrinka in the final and playing his best. Unfortunately the chances of him not mentally capitulating in the final would be very VERY small. Just can't trust him there, same with Gasquet.

    So have to go for Djoker/Nadal.
     
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    I don't even see Federer making it to the WTF this year. He'll play a tournament or two but that's it before turning all intentions to AO'14.
     
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    After you made your post regarding Fed not making it, I checked out the race. Given that Tsonga is a no show for the foreseeable future, and that bothe Gasquet and Wawa needed to pick up points, it made my whole scenario, a win, win, win. Of course, I truly expect the final to be between Rafa and Novak.
     
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    If he plays Djokovic in the finals, it would be his finest 5 or 6 hours.

    The Robredo match was his finest hour.
     
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    #TeamRafa is on the cusp of a glorious time :)
     
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    I doubt it, dude.
     
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    You doubt everything when it comes to Rafa, knowing, as a fan, it's about the dumbest thing you can do when it comes to the guy. He'll continue to prove you and the haters wrong.
     
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    I'll be glad if he proves me wrong, but I know I won't be holding my breath.
     
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    This is Nadal at his absolute peak...The best he has ever played in his life...If he loses to Novak, it's going to be very interesting on this forum. :twisted:
     
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    We all know you don't hold your breath! You do know Nadal doesn't win just for you, don't you?
     
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    This is not Nadal at his peak. We've seen that in 2008 and 2010. He has been doing really well in 2013, but during the clay season, he benefitted from others not playing as well. He's had an awesome HC post Wimbledon, but he's benefitting by his schedule, and not playing AO and W, except for 1 match. He's definitely not as tired as other players.
     
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    Djokovic isn't playing like he was in 2011 when he was brutalizing the competition impressively. Nadal's best chance is now. Quite well rested and an easy draw. Djokovic also benefitted from a super easy draw but he's played many more tournaments than Nadal has. Nadal took off the grass season while Djokovic made the Wimbledon final after an epic 5 set war.
    Pressure is on Nadal to win the US Open after getting this far. Would be a big letdown to sweep the hardcourt Masters only to come up short in the final against a Djokovic who is only playing about 70% of his best right now.
     
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    I forgot to bump my thread. It was his finest hour. He did it. Hopefully, Nadal's hangover from this victory isn't as long as his fans, or he's going to be in big trouble in China. Hopefully, he's put it away and focused on making the final and getting to #1.
     
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