Thoughts on Kevin Trudeau?

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Is kevin a snake-oil seller?

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  1. No, hes trustworthy.

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  2. Yes, dont deal with him.

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  1. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    Sorry, didnt know where to place this, but down to the point, Kevin Trudeau is an entrepeneur who supports natural cures for a healthier lifestyle for the community.

    My question (and poll) to yall is: do you think he's a fraud, scamming our money, or is he the real deal?

    I've read his book, and i can see his stand point-of-view. He discusses of corruption among government officials, the corruption of the FDA, the hazards of medicines (very true, look at the side effects), how our food is being purposely contaminated, and goes on to tell us what to do: eat organic, get colon cleanses, etc., to remove the "poison" from the human body system. This in turn, is supposed to make you feel great, energetic, and enjoy your life as your supposed to.

    On the other hand, skeptics simply say that Kevin Trudeau wants to convince us to hand our lollipops over to him like babies. Basically, they call him a charlatan, snake-oil salesman, whatever you wanna call it.

    I'm at a loss to which side is the "brighter" side, but I am more supportive of Kevin Trudeau, after reading his book you can relate to what hes describing in the book (ex. Cigarettes were known to be toxic a long time ago, but nobody stood up to say that they were, so that companies and individuals could make huge profits. Now it's indisputable that cigarettes are harmful to the human being.

    Decide for yourself (and me ;)), based upon your experiences in life, do you think Kevin is someone that is ringing the bell, or is he another snake on the block? If you need more information about him, just holler, i've done some extentive studies on Kevin. And please, lets keep the arguements to a minimum. That being said, happy new years and happy discussing!
     
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  2. mary fierce

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    What's this about cigarettes? The first Surgeon General warning appeared on cigarette packs just about 50 years ago. When did Mr. Trudeau arrive at that particular party? And as for colon cleanses to remove things from your body.....anything that's in your colon is already in the process of being removed from your body.....for free!!
     
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  3. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    I dont know too much about cigarettes since i'm only 16, as for the colon, he talks about how the food we eat today gets stuck somewhere in our system, building up and giving women their "pouch", resulting in less waste extracted from the body, and it continues to build up in your system.
     
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  4. dave333

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    Snake oil salesman.

    Enough said. He's a complete fraud. Complete utter BS.
     
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  5. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    I'd love to know why you think this, not being offensive, i'm just gathering information, did you have a bad turn with him and his products?
     
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    The most effective charlatans wrap their message in a few obvious truths, like the value of eating healthy food and the dangers of cigarettes. This makes them seem more credible. It seems like he promotes a few obvious, familiar messages and then comes on with some nonsense about colon cleansing, a practice that itself can have dangerous consequences (removing most of the usual bacterial flora from the colon is potentially dangerous as it clears the way for overgrowth by bacteria not usually found there.)
     
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    The guy spent 2 years in federal prison for credit card fraud. He has been banned from airing informercials by the FTC. He paid a settlement of $185K in a case where he was accused of running a pyramid scheme.

    The guy is a criminal and everything he says is BS.
     
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  8. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    Just info. for everyone, he says that the reason he went to prison was for a "secret mission", and for the the frauds, he stated that he accepts his fault and is supposedly a good-being now.
     
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  9. raiden031

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    Did you study his products or his extensive criminal background?
     
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  10. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    yes, read my other reply.
     
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  11. raiden031

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    He is still a con-artist, but maybe he might be conning people legally now.
     
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    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/10/trudeau_infomercials.html
    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/trudeau_informercials.html

    The guy got himself banned from infomercials. Twice. How do you do that? Not to mention he has to pay a ton of money.

    You can probably go to wikipedia and find all sorts of fun stuff about him.
     
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    His natural cures book includes a quote from a dead doctor that he never met that appears to endorse the book. He seems like a complete fraud to me. He's smart enough to seperate people from their money, it's a shame he's not using that intelligence for good.
     
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  15. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    Well looks like everyone's unanimous decision on Kevin, throwing this out there for everyone: if Kevin is indeed telling the truth, the government obviously wouldnt like it. They would attack him and try to bring him down as hard as possible. Anyone gotta say in this?

    What if the government used people to express their negative "thoughts" on Kevin. What if you were payed to say a statement, then happily live your life with a little cash on hand?
     
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    'the government' told Trudeau to put the quote of a dead man on his crummy book?
     
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  17. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    I think you missed my point, the government wants Trudeau down so they hire lawyers, ordinary citizens, to make him look bad. I just looked at all the feedback, and it looks like Kevin's a top notch scammer.
     
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    We've got a kabillion dollar deficit and 'the government' can afford to pay people to say stuff about Trudeau? Damn, why have I been doing it for free? I miss out on EVERYTHING!
     
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    I'm not a fan. I think I'll create a website where people can donate to my Wimby 2010 vacation. Crap...if everyone on here donated a single dollar to my worthy cause, I would even fly first class. I'll post the site once I get it up and running so you all know where to find it. :twisted:
     
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    ^ Best answer by far.
     
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    Complete and utter Liar/Swindler

    He was interviewed by 20/20, or some other news agencies for obvious inconsistencies in his book and for some of the things he has said.

    1.) The journalist conducing the interview checked out a few of his sources for the research he claimed supported his thoughts and when he contacted the university they told him no such research had been conducted at their institution. He then lied through his teeth claiming otherwise.

    2.) Furthermore he was banned by the FCC for false claims, unsupported statements etc. You can check up on this yourself, the vast majority of his statements are unsupported by any research whatsoever, and are not supported by the FDA.

    3.) There are also numerous horror stories for people who have followed his suggestions and have become more sick

    4. He has been arrested twice for fraud related charges, and reprimanded by the FCC numerous times.

    3. My own assessment of his claims, behavior, and the subsequent numerous demonstrations of the unsupported facts he endorses leads me to believe he is a compulsive liar with serious delusions of grandeur...and no regard for the lives he is effecting by publishing such utter BS.


    Here is the link to the 20/20 interview, I hope you watch it. It is eye opening.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms
     
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  22. Leelord337

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    i think kevin trudeau's attempts to get more viewers by having playboy playmates in his infomercials are just really funny. i never watch them but i see them on the tennis channel sometimes "debt cures they dont want u to know about" etc...but the guy is very sharp and can sell anything
     
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    total used car salesman. just my impression. wasn't he doing mega memory one day then miralce cancer cure pill the next?
     
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    I'm not going to defend Kevin Trudeau, but ABC News (or any mainstream news agency) and the FDA are certainly not examples of credible entities.
    Mainstream news agencies and the FDA are quite corrupt themselves, and should not be held up in a positive, honest light.
     
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    And have you considered that Trudeau paid people off to say that it worked for them?

    I don't see the point of debating this. Trudeau bases virtually all of his claims on unverified anecdotes, theories, and the conspiracy like above. To believe him, you really just need to take a leap of faith and take his word to be correct.
     
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    4. He has been arrested twice for fraud related charges, and reprimanded by the FCC numerous times.

    lol
     
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  27. lainey80

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    He's an incredible person.
    He's not B.S. give me a break.
    He's giving out information that is helping.
    He may have had some out-ethics in the past, but he's cleaned that up.
    Kevin Trudeau contributes a lot.
     
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    Are you sure about that? Why are there hundreds of complaints about his company charging people's credit cards each month without their approval?
     
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    Why would you pay money for a free idea?
     
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    How is he incredible? What information is helping and who is it helping? What has he contributed and to whom (other than his wallet)?

    If you have read one of his books cover to cover and have directly benefitted from the information in there, please share the specifics with us. I am very curious.
     
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    When I saw Kevin do Mega Memory I thought, this guy is just trying to make a buck. After I saw his latest ****, I thought, this is a guy trying to make a buck with scams. Guilty. Used car salesman all the way, but with the balls to trash his name on national tv. Pathetic.
     
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  32. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    I honestly expected more controversy over his credibility, he actually had many good points, I do wonder though, does linseed-oil actually cure breast cancer faster than chemotherapy?

    Also may I point out: the issues that he talks of are gray areas, for ex. he says that the sun is good for your skin, and you shouldnt use sun block because its full of hazardous materials, and recommends using "organic" sun block. One of the posters may be right though, he may just be using a couple facts to establish his fake credibility.
     
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    How does he define 'organic sunblock'?
     
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  34. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    sunblock without the nasty chemicals inside, there was a thread on here about using sunblock. Basically anything organic is something that wont hurt you (based on what i've learned).
     
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    ^^^my ex was into the whole organic/whole foods thing bigtime actually, she was very healthy nonetheless, she even refused to use regular mosquito spray as deet is terrible for your skin, she used garlic, lol
     
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    That doesn't really tell me anything. Does he name specific ingredients to use or avoid? Does he mention name brands? I've been reading about and studying sunscreens for years and the term 'organic' applied to sunscreen just doesn't make sense. Does he mean mineral sunscreens like zinc oxide?

    There have been about 20 threads here on sunscreen, by the way.

    As for linseed oil curing breast cancer, surely Mr. Trudeau cited a published, peer-reviewed, double blind scientific study to back up is claim that something used to polish hardwood floors is also a cancer cure? It must be listed in the footnotes/sources section of his book somewhere.
     
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  37. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    I think it was zinc as you stated, as for the linseed oil he said its unpatented so the drug companies couldnt make money off of it, so they keep the information secret and keep it away from public, Kevins evidence is "people" have used it and got cured all around the world (but the oil comes from Canada).
     
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    Oh, okay, 'people'. Good to know. So you are reading his book cover to cover and taking his advice?
     
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    The reason i made this thread is to determine whether i can trust him or not.
     
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    The first portion may be true, but the bold part makes a leap of logic.

    Just because one man committed a crime in the past doesn't mean everything he's saying is wrong. This is just a cheap attempt to discredit some very good ideas.

    If anyone is a charlatan, it's the pharmaceutical industry and the health industry in general. Humans can fend off and cleanse themselves of any ailment naturally. Most of what I've heard Trudeau say is absolutely true. People talk about the criminal past of Trudeau, but I never hear anyone talk about Bayer's AIDS tainted hemophiliac drug or the absolutely toxic array of vaccines that flood clinics every year. Let's put things in perspective.

    There are many criminals who say the world is round. Does this mean it's flat? Kevin Trudeau is not the essence of natural cures. He is only a spokesman and a businessman. Do your own research.
     
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    Do you really think that linseed oil can cure breast cancer? This is one of the leading killers of US women today, and it's an extremely costly disease. Don't you think that every health insurance company in this country would DEMAND evidence if there was a real possibility that something so cheap could be a viable treatment? It's easy to say 'oh big pharma wants to make money' and the government is conspiring against us and all that other paranoid BS, but the insurance companies drive a lot of health care decisions these days and I would bet my car that if linseed oil could honestly cure cancer the insurance companies would be all over it like white on rice.
     
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  42. ThA_Azn_DeViL

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    well, why dont you try it for yourself, its not going to kill you or anything, I was simply asking for people's results on these forums of his credibility, but its known that corruption is around, and its not going to get better from here.
     
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    I don't have breast cancer, why would I use linseed oil?
     
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    I have presented evidence in support of what I previously posted based on the mans character as evidenced by his numerous arrests and reprimands, and based on a journalistic investigation. Furthermore, I will agree with you to a certain extent that bias exists in the media. However I have no evidence to support corruption within the FDA, especially to the extent that Trudeau claims, I therefore will not state that there is corruption within the FDA when I have no credible evidence to back up my statements.

    I also want to comment on the news story which I linked too. In no way did they explicitly side with the FDA in the story, though one can assume that by discrediting Trudeau they have sided with the FDA, this is an assumption on the viewers part and may or may not be true. The best part of the clip occurs when the Trudeau is confronted with the fact that the University of Calgary has conducted no research pertaining to the claims that Trudeau has made. If there is a way to discredit Trudeau in a more powerful manner, I don't know what it is.

    Therefore, without evidence to support your claims from credible sources I will assume that your thoughts on the FDA have no merit.

    The irony is quite comical in this case, because you have basically done what Trudeau does, which is make claims with no evidence or support whatsoever to back up those statements.

    However, I would be interested in hearing how the FDA is corrupt provided you refer to credible sources, as I said previously, I am aware of the bias demonstrated in the media.
     
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    We are waiting for evidence to support your claims, the evidence to the contrary is vast.
     
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    I dont know Fee, go test on on someone and please send me your results, I would be interested in knowing =), on a more serious side, I think only results can prove that he is wrong, and whether or not a past full of crimes has anything to do with it or not.
     
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    Okay. I'm not sure what you are getting at anymore. Perhaps you started this thread because you wanted the people here to provide the answers for you instead of helping you to think it through and figure it out for yourself?

    I used to be very into 'natural cures' and honestly believed that I wasn't seeing results because I 'wasn't doing it right'. Then I learned about things like real science, published peer reviewed double blind studies (even participated in one of those myself), and the danger of anecdotal evidence. I've saved myself a lot of money in the last few years.

    Good luck on your quest.
     
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    Is the above not a leap of logic, and do the pharmaceutical industry and health industry in general not deserve the second chance you are awarding Trudeau?

    You mention good ideas, we would be happy to entertain those good ideas provided they are supported by credible research and or sources. Anecdotal evidence does not generalize to the greater population.

    How can we fend of AIDS naturally, or Cancer, or Parkinson's, or Alzheimer's? I would really like to know, especially as a future medical researcher. Without citing any evidence for you claims you essentially repeat what Trudeau has been accused of doing...which is making claims without evidence to back them up.
     
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  49. Chauvalito

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    Your statement is quite damning of the health and medicine industry, as well as the FDA, but you do not provide any evidence to support your statements.

    What corruption, define it describe it, show us what it is, you can't just say that something exists and not provide some evidence of it.

    I hope you understand that I am not disagreeing with you, I am just asking for evidence....
     
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  50. Chauvalito

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    If your going to wait for research to prove Trudeau wrong, your going to be waiting for the rest of your life.

    In other words, the medical community will not likely spend valuable research and grant funds to determine whether a man with no scientific background, no education in science, no research to his name is right concerning claims about curing disease that he created out of thin air.
     
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