Tiger or Fed: Who Dominates More?

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  1. snapple

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    Tiger or Fed: Who Dominates More According to SI

    Thought the below excerpt from today's Sports Illustrated online gave an interesting perspective and makes for a compelling arguement:
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    With Roger Federer and Tiger Woods both notching impressive victories over the weekend, the natural question arises -- Who is more dominant? My answer: It depends. If we rely on the straightforward, dictionary definition of "dominant," Federer is your man. After winning six of the past seven Grand Slams, you'd have to give Federer at least an 85-90 percent chance of winning any non-French Open major that started tomorrow. Even the mighty Tiger would be, perhaps, a 50/50 choice. By that measure, Federer's iron grip over his sport (including a 36-match winning streak) is clearly greater than Woods'.

    Yet when placed against the context of their sports, Tiger's triumphs are slightly more incredible. Tennis is a one-on-one contest, like boxing, in which a competitor can directly affect (and dominate) his opponent. If Federer is on his game, he can hit the ball where his opponent can do nothing with it. If Federer plays well, his opponent's chance to perform well is directly diminished. There's a reason why tennis (and boxing) lend themselves to long winning streaks and stretches of sheer dominance. Five tennis players, two men and three women, have won the Grand Slam a total of six times, as recently as Steffi Graf in 1988. In addition, nine men have won three of the four Grand Slam tournaments in a calendar year a total of 11 times; eight women have turned that trick a total of 17 times.

    In golf, on the other hand, all players compete against the course. If Tiger hits a terrific shot, for example, it doesn't simultaneously knock his nearest pursuer's ball into the rough. It might not seem it from the way his rivals often shrink when he's on the leaderboard, but Tiger can't directly impact his competitors' performance. There's a reason that golf's Grand Slam has been won just once, in 1930 by Bobby Jones, and that included two amateur titles. Only twice has a golfer won three of the four professional majors in the same calendar year -- Ben Hogan in 1953 and Woods in 2000. Golf, unlike tennis, simply does not lend itself to dominance. Against this context, the fact that Woods has won 11 of the past 29 majors (37.9 percent) he has played trumps Federer's admittedly awe-inspiring run of 10 majors in his last 15 tries (66.7 percent).
     
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  2. caulcano

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    In addition, someone who plays golf has a longer career than a tennis player.
     
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  3. ATXtennisaddict

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    Two different sports, two different worlds. I hate comparing apples/oranges.
     
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    golf channel chatting this up lately. golfers make good point, tennis is usually 1 person dominate sport.
     
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  5. Nick Irons

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    Golf isn't even a sport

    1. You play against a course, not a person
    2. You sweat only because you are wearing Khaki Pants in the summer
    3. Does the heart rate go overboard at all ? Maybe when anticipating the 20' putt ? Maybe when John Daly tried to walk up a green ?

    Golf is a fun game, but not a sport.

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    On topic ?

    Federer is the more dominant. He has to actually fight thourgh to the final with 7 other people trying to physically stop him.

    Tiger get's to play 4 times, the same course, with no obstacles. It must be nice to be able to hit the same shot, over and over again and on top of that, practice the course.

    Golf a sport. Pffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. It's an insult to call it a sport for all of the atheletes
     
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    LMAO!!! What an ignorant post. Definition of a sport.

    Hit the same shot over and over again...like a serve, forehand or backhand...really?!
    No obstacles...like trees, lakes, sand...really?!
    Practice the course...like hitting balls over and over again with a machine or partner...really?!

    Anyone who's played both equally will say golf is tougher. A tennis court has the same dimensions...every time, everywhere. Try hitting a 2 inch ball using a club with a 3 inch face into a 4 inch hole 500yards away. Oh yeah, easy. You've obviously never played golf.

    As for who is more dominant...my only reply is that they both dominate as much as one can dominate their respective sport. 2 different sports. No way to compare.
     
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  7. FiveO

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    I disagree. Let's look at the last 21 years for instance:

    World Golf #1's............................ATP #1's

    2006 Tiger Woods (1)...........2006 Roger Federer (1)
    2005 Tiger Woods................2005 Roger Federer
    2004 Vijay Singh (2)............2004 Roger Federer
    2003 Tiger Woods................2003 Andy Roddick (2)
    2002 Tiger Woods................2002 Lleyton Hewitt (3)
    2001 Tiger Woods................2001 Lleyton Hewitt
    2000 Tiger Woods................2000 Gustavo Kuerten (4)
    1999 Tiger Woods................1999 Andre Agassi (5)
    1998 Tiger Woods................1998 Pete Sampras (6)
    1997 Greg Norman (3)..........1997 Pete Sampras
    1996 Greg Norman................1996 Pete Sampras
    1995 Greg Norman................1995 Pete Sampras
    1994 Nick Price (4)..............1994 Pete Sampras
    1993 Nick Faldo (5)..............1993 Pete Sampras
    1992 Nick Faldo...................1992 Jim Courier (7)
    1991 Ian Woosnam (6)..........1991 Stefan Edberg (8 )
    1990 Greg Norman................1990 Stefan Edberg
    1989 Greg Norman................1989 Ivan Lendl (9)
    1988 Seve Ballesteros(7) 1988 Mats Wilander (10)
    1987 Greg Norman................1987 Ivan Lendl
    1986 Greg Norman................1986 Ivan Lendl

    World Golf rankings from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_World_Golf_Rankings
     
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  8. Moose Malloy

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    But, FiveO, how many of those guys won multiple majors in one year?
    I'm no golf fan, but the all-time list of major winners is rather small compared to tennis, so it must be harder to dominate. tennis has guys that
    won 8 majors, 3 guys that won 7, 4 that won 10+, etc.

    what are the numbers with golf? Its Niklaus with 18, Tiger with what 10? then what? how many guys won even 4 or 5 in their career, not many I guess.

    and golf doesn't have any open era controversy with it, so the best were always allowed to play. with that in mind they should have much higher totals. guys like laver, rosewall were still able to win 8-11 majors with out competing in many majors. many are certain we'd have many players with more than 14 if there wasn't that amateur/pro issue.
    the best golfers didn't have that issue & didn't miss many majors in their prime years, so why aren't there more multi-winners? because its that hard to do.
     
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    I never said it wasn't difficult but the comparisons are not as skewed as you seem to see them. Here's the list up to 5 majors. At four, three and two there are many, many more.

    Name.............. Masters U.S.O. British Open PGA TOTAL

    Jack Nicklaus.........6...........4.........3...........5......18
    Tiger Woods..........4...........2.........3...........3......12
    Walter Hagen........NA..........2.........4...........5......11
    Ben Hogan............2............4.........1...........2.......9
    Gary Player...........3............1.........3...........2.......9
    Tom Watson..........2...........1.........5...........0.......8
    Harry Vardon........NA...........1.........6...........0.......7
    Gene Sarazen........1............2.........1...........3.......7
    Bobby Jones.........NA...........4.........3...........0.......7
    Sam Snead............3............0.........1..........3........7
    Arnold Palmer.........4............1.........2..........0........7
    Nick Faldo..............3............0........3...........0.......6
    Lee Trevino............0............2........2...........2.......6
    Seve Ballesteros......2............0........3...........0.......5
    James Braid............NA..........0........5...........0.......5
    Byron Nelson...........2............1........0..........2........5
    J.H. Taylor.............NA...........0........5..........0........5
    Peter Thomson........0............0........5..........0.........5
     
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    Tiger has been more dominant throughout his career but Roger has been more dominant in the last 3 to 4 years than Tiger or any other athlete for that matter. Tiger will probably win more majors than Roger only be the sheer fact that he will play a lot longer.
     
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    I agree with the op, there aren't as many dominant golfers as tennis players historically, and that is telling. lets' compare approx last 39 years-the time of the open era in tennis(& I am not really into to golf so correct me if my timeline is wrong)

    Most majors, 6 or more, tennis
    sampras 14
    borg 11
    federer 10
    lendl 8
    connors 8
    agassi 8
    mcenroe 7
    wilander 7
    edberg 6
    becker 6

    most majors, 6 or more, golf, since 1968(had to use wikepedia)
    Woods 12
    Nicklaus 11
    Watson 8
    Faldo 6
    Trevino 6

    looks like more dominant tennis players than golfers in that timeframe, and consider how much longer golfers play compared to tennis players, so they had more chances to win more majors, yet didn't. tiger woods is rarer to golf than federer to tennis. we did have sampras, borg, laver not too long ago. golf only had nicklaus & he never did what tiger woods did, as far as dominating so thouroughly-4 majors in a row, winning multiple majors by what, 10 or more shots?
     
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    Nick Irons is right. I am getting sick and tired of all the comparisons between Federer and Woods. Golf is not a sport more like a competition, and Woods is not even close to the athlete Federer is.
     
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  13. Moose Malloy

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    yet tiger makes more prize money in one year than federer can win in several(did you see when espn flashed the career prize money comparison between tiger & federer? they are close in age, but Tiger almost tripled Federer's $) tiger is far more famous world-wide than federer.

    i'm not a golf fan, but just dismissing a sport(or whatever you want to call it), when one sport has so much more prize money than the other, is a bit absurd. its kind of like dismissing nba/nfl when comparing it to a smaller sport like hockey or something.

    and tiger almost single-handedly drove the prize money through the roof. I don't see Federer doing the same for tennis, which is struggling, judging by all the attempts to make it more popular-replay, roundrobin, & the many tournaments that are struggling to break even, etc.
     
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    Golf's popularity is based primarily on its popularity in the U.S. Since Tiger is an American superstar that is an easy solution. He is popular around the World too, but the only thing that matters is that he is so popular in the U.S, which is easier being an American who dominates which Americans love, since money in golf revolves all around popularity in the U.S.

    Tennis is struggling in the U.S since Americans arent on top anymore. Roddick and Blake are contenders but left in the dust of Federer. Serena is still a contender in womens, but there is nobody else now that Venus is done as a contender and Davenport, Capriati, Seles are gone foor good, and the up and comers sucks. So of course tennis is going to struggle in the U.S, all that matters to Americans is seeing Americans on top unless it is a sex symbol(Kournikova, Sharapova). Since Federer is neither he is out of luck.
     
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    This is not an ignorant post at all. Most people I know agree with Iron. Golf is hardly an athletic sport. Your crazy if you think golf is harder then tennis. The tennis ball is always on a different angle, speed, height, depth and as far as I know a golf ball sits right there is front of you on a tee and never moves. If playing on a fairly high level, a tennis player player is always on the move where a golfer stands stationary when he hits the ball. There is no comparison as far as I am concerned. Oh, and I have played both golf and tennis.
     
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    Tennis is struggling in Europe and even in Australia, too. I just read that the tv ratings in Australia for the AO final went down, after they had decreased last year in contrast to Hewitts final in 2005.
     
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    I would say you are talking about 1 and 1a in terms of dominance they both make the pros in thier respective sports look silly. In my lifetime perhaps the most dominate athlete in his sport as a pro for at least a couple years would be Mike Tyson now that is crazy dominance when he was on his run.
     
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    Ski-ball and horseshoes also sports?
     
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  19. Moose Malloy

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    Very lucky to be in that era, possibly the weakest era in heavyweight history. Trevor Berbick & Michael Spinks are no Ali/Norton/Frazier/Foreman, let alone Lewis/Holyfield(& we saw how he matched up with them)

    Tyson gets my vote for most overrated athlete of all-time. Was fun to see him knock out tomato cans, though.
     
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    My opinion on Golf has always caused some panic but it is not meant too. I have played both; I really enjoy golf; it is a fun game

    Especially when stopping for a beer and hotdog after the first nine holes.

    =

    My underlying jist is comparing a world class athelete like Roger to a golfer. Golf is called a sport by many people, but I won't subscribe to it. I work out regulary, running 4 miles a week, lifting, playing tennis twice a week, I still try and play basketball as much as I can get away with, but golfing ?

    Come on

    Here is a world class golfer currently Ranked Number 79 on the PGA Tour:

    [​IMG]

    Anyways. Not downplaying the skill involved in the game, but calling it sport would require actually carrying your own clubs while racing the other players between holes.

    :p
     
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    The reason for this is that golf can appeal to anybody because just about anybody and there 50 year old mother, providing they are not crippled can play it. You do no need to be an athlete to play it and most people are not. Most people play it to relax and because there is no physical exertion when playing it hence the relaxation part. Who do you think makes up the majority of amatuer golfers around the world. I would think it is safe to say retirees and older people in there mid 40's. Tennis on the other hand is much more physically demanding and like someone else said no Americans are on top right now and that is why tennis is unpopular here in the states.
     
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  22. grand slam federer

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    it to hard to compare tennis to golf. with tennis you can only play
    until your mid 30s because of fitness . tennis is more running so you
    have to be really fit. with golf you can play until your mid 50s to early
    60s . so of course your going to win more titles and you don.t have to
    be fit . tennis has more injurys people have to pull out of events .
    federer or woods federer every day
     
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    That beer guzzling tubby not only is ranked #79 now but he has won 2 majors!!!! Golf a real sport, LOL! The popularity of the sport, even with Tiger is mystifying, who wants to watch a so called sport where over half of the players are out of shape, fat 40-something who waddle around a course. Even Tiger's big rivals like Mickelson and Els are pudgy looking guys, you wouldnt even get into challenger events on the ATP tour looking like Mickelson or Els.

    Tiger is one of the only golfers who looks like a real athlete to some degree.
     
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    i back your words good picture to prove it
     
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    Brings up an interesting point is Fed just playing against a bunch of "tomato cans" I am sure this will get flamed but where does Nadal, Roddick etc,,, rank all-time? If who Rog is whipping all the time are not that great then what does that say? Flame away
     
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    This is where I fall too. Tiger is older and has been on the scene for a longer period of time, but if you look at 2004-2006, the numbers don't lie.

    Tiger Woods:
    2004: 19 Events entered, 1 win, 14 top tens, 0 majors
    2005: 21 Events entered, 6 wins, 13 top tens, 2 majors, 4 major top tens
    2006: 15 Events entered, 8 wins, 11 top tens, 2 majors, 3 major top tens

    Obviously any golfer (or athlete of any kind) would love to have those numbers, but they're devastated by Federer over the same span.

    Federer:
    2004: 16 Events entered, 11 wins, 3 grand slams, 1 grand slam semi
    2005: 15 Events entered, 11 wins, 1 runner up, 2 grand slams, 2 grand slam semis
    2006: 17 Events entered, 12 wins, 4 runner up, 3 grand slams, 1 grand slam runner up

    Over the last three years it's pretty obvious to see who has dominated more, but the Tiger slam in 2000-01 is still something that Roger needs to match Tiger (by winning the grand slam). Passing Sampras' slam total wouldn't hurt either. That should end the discussion once and for all, unless of course Tiger wins 12 events in a row and wins the calendar slam this year...
     
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    Also...Golf is a sport. Probably the toughest mental sport, is extremely technical and requires a ton of shot variety. It's not a demanding physical sport, although many golfers are following Tiger's lead by becoming very fit. To say golf isn't a sport is just as stupid as the people who say only gay guys play tennis, and no one watches because it's for wimps. Give credit where credit is due. Tiger is on another level in golf, as Roger is in tennis. Both men are amazing and to have the chance to even debate this issue (who is more dominant) is awesome.
     
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    Yeah I would class Golf as a sport too but I wouldn't say it's the toughest mentally, there is no doubt that it is tough mentally but I would say Cricket is tougher. You have to concentrate so hard for 7 hours a day for 5 days straight with balls been bowled at you at 90mph all day long. It's tough.

    As for who's the most dominant, well as someone said it's just like comparing apples and oranges.
     
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    LMAO!!! He should hook up with the 250lbs, 88th ranked player in the world that just claimed another major.
     
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    Point very well taken. As an American, I don't know much about cricket, but I can imagine the difficulty of the game base on the little that I've heard.

    I'll reword my post to say I think Golf is the mentally toughest individual sport.
     
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    Golf is not a sport period, so fed wins.
     
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    A previous post had a good point, it's a lot tougher to win a golf major then to win a slam. As if winning a slam is easy.
     
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    Here is a world class golfer currently Ranked Number 79 on the PGA Tour:

    [​IMG]




    Actually this is Karsten Braasch just prior to beating the Williams sisters.
     
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    I think slams are much more physically demanding, if you looked at Gonzalez in the final he was pretty worn physically so that area is tougher than golf. Also one bad match in tennis and your gone, one bad day at a major doesn't necessarily mean that you are out of it. Also in tennis you go head to head with people and not just a course. You also get days when you aren't playing at slams which can let your mind wonder, can you imagine what would of been going through Gonzalez's mind in the day between the semi and the final knowing he had to play Federer in the final of a slam? He would of been going mad.

    Another point is that look at the winners we have had in the Open championship in the past few years, guys like Hamilton and Curtis. When do you ever see a guy like Alex Bogdanovic winning a slam in tennis, let alone making the second week! (equivalent of the cut)

    I would agree with that :)
     
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    Here's another thesis looking at how to compare between tiger and roger:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16895018/page/2/

    in addition to the "it's different physically, and geographically", it's also the income factor and how maybe... (maybe) income can be a way to measure competitiveness and thus dominance.

    anyway... it's just interesting to see people coming up with parameters to compare between two things that, honestly, can't be fairly compared with each other.
     
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    He should start working out with Serena.
     
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    In addition to whats been said, Federer can't afford to have a single bad day. Tiger can (and does) have bad days and is just fine.

    As a rule, most people are fat, lazy, stupid and incompetent. They'd much rather sit on the couch and watch the golf channel. Everybody likes watching golf because its something they can aspire to, something they can see themselves doing, as opposed to a real sport with real physical exercise. They can then spend thouands of dollars of scam products to 'fix their swing' and pretend they are a sportsman.

    As a spectator sport, golf has no redeeming values. Its populated by middle aged men who are dressed like its 1960 and can't be bothered to carry their own damn equipment or walk. There are no cheerleaders. The only thing remotely tolerable about golf is that for some unfathomable reason, every single movie based on golf (Caddyshack, Tin Cup, Bagger Vance etc) has been good.
     
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  38. FedFan_2007

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    What is more aesthetically pleasing:

    1. Tiger hitting an iron shot
    2. Federer flying around the court hitting ridiculous FHs and BHs.
     
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    wow...golf not a sport???? ever play before??? im not even gonna get into it...its a sport.... Tiger and Federer..this is really cool..healthy for both guys to battle it out in seperate sports...and in the end your not really playing each other,but the record books in your own sport...this is good for Fed in the U.S for people to notice Roger...if Tiger acknowleges Fed,We Should!! anyways who Dominates more..well Tiger has been at it for a while,Fed is on his way..I dont think its possible to really tell you,thats why its a great debate..

    ofcoarse they both have to keep dominating the way they are...

    I dont think its fair to say things like Tennis is easier than Golf,or the oppasite.. they are both challanging in different ways,thats why Golf is Golf and Tennis is Tennis... its hard to do anything the greatest..thats the point...

    when so many fellow pros work their butts off to catch up these guys jump farther ahead...
     
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    So Federer has never won on a day where his serve was off, had too many unforced errors, was statistically losing?! I think he has. Anyway, besides Tiger I believe there are very few players that have ever had a "bad day" and won a major. It just doesn't happen nearly often enough to support your opinion.

    Because it's a good game...duh. You'd know if you played it.
     
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    LOL! You're trying to compare a plain iron shot vs "rediculous" FHs and BHs. No bias there...bwahahahahaha. Oh wait, here's a fair comparison. How about.

    1. Federer sitting down on the change over
    2. Tiger Woods walking up the 18th fairway with the entire gallery following him as he claims a Major.

    There we go. That's a fair comparison.
     
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    GAME being the operative word, NOT a sport anymore than chess or poker is a sport though they might very well be good games. And the fact that they've been some good golf related movies does not change this from being the case.
     
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    It's not even worth arguing because the whole world has declared golf a SPORT. Let's not quibble over opinions. Just stating a fact.
     
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    I do think Roger has his share of bad days, for his standards, and comes out on top.
    That is part of being the best at your craft, Tiger has that luxury, but Roger always has the same luxury.

    Here is just a starting list:

    2004 Wimbledon finals vs Roddick
    2004 U.S Open quarters vs Agassi
    2005 Canadian Open semis vs Johansson
    2005 Wimbledon-3rd round vs Kiefer
    2005 U.S Open semis vs Hewitt, 2005 U.S Open final vs Agassi
    2006 Australian Open-4th round with Haas, quarters with Davydenko, semis with Kiefer, finals with Nadal, every one of his last 4 matches basicaly
    2006 Halle-every match he played here basicaly
    2006 Canadian Open-finals vs Gasquet
    2007 Australian Open-quarters vs Robredo
     
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  45. snapple

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    Ok, but at least let's not be so naive to call participants of this so-called sport "athletes" when half the players on the tour would get winded reciting the alphabet.
     
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    No one denies that physical fitness has never, in the past, contributed to the skill of a golfer. In tennis, physical fitness and strength can be a deciding factor. It's just not the case in golf. The major components of successful golf is precision and consistency. Only until Tiger showed up did golfers feel they needed to raise their strength and fitness level because he hit the ball so much further. No one ever really felt that Tiger had that much more skill (well, they're all wrong about that now) but only the fact that he could hit the more accurate clubs a longer distance. That's why the evolution of the golfer as an "athlete" has been slow. Out with the old, in with the new. If you watch many of the young D1 golfers, you'll see that emphasis has been placed on fitness and strength. No, they may never achieve the fitness level of highly conditioned tennis player, they don't need to. Tennis players don't strive to be as big and strong as NFL linebackers or world class sprinters...they don't need to. Think: point of diminishing returns.
     
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    You don't compare Tiger and Fed head to head, and you don't compare golf to tennis, head to head. Golf and tennis are different sports just like football and basketball are different sports. Each individual sport requires different levels of skill, fitness, concentration, teamwork, mental strength, focus, creativity, perseverence, patience, etc.

    You can compare what Fed has done in tennis to what Tiger has done in golf...compare them to past participants in their respective sport and the impact that they are having. I think this article makes some good points about their respective dominance.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16890047/

    Also, anybody who downplays or trashes any sport just shows an inablitiy to appreciate the challenges and skills required of that respective sport. I understand having a preference for one sport over another. However, it is still possible to try to understand the challenges inherent in other sports that you may not enjoy. Maturity is shown when you can have a disagreement over opinions and still respect the fact that other opinions are just as correct as yours.
     
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    [QUOTEI do think Roger has his share of bad days, for his standards, and comes out on top. That is part of being the best at your craft, Tiger has that luxury, but Roger always has the same luxury.
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    Think there is a key difference here. Fed (or any tennis player) must overcome a bad day DURING the match itself against an opponent who seeks to defeat you directly through his own play. No chance to regroup and shoot a better round the following day. Tennis champions need not just realize their own abilities and overcome a passive golf course but instead must find it within themselves to overcome an opponent by changing tactics and strategy when their game is off due AND also to counteract the player opposing them.
     
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    Yes, that is absolutely a key difference. On the flip side, in golf you are all battling the course and mother nature. How much effect do you think a 10mph wind has on a tennis ball going 50-75 feet for a second or two? How much effect do you think it has on a golf ball traveling 300 yards in the air for 5+ seconds? In golf, you don't just need to be better than just 1 guy. There are usually 20+ players close enough to leapfrog you on a single day. The closest way I can relate tennis to golf would be if everyday, everyone tried to serve 100 times into a circle on the court twice the size of the ball. After every day, the people with the most serves in the circle would gravitate towards the top of the list. Then the next day, the circle would move to a new location. It's kinda different when you only can rely on yourself and not gamesmanship, rattling your opponent into unforced errors, hoping he/she is having a bad day. If you did this, do you think Federer would come out on top all the time? In tennis, you can stop your opponent from beating you. In golf, you cannot.
     
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    I remember Pete's answer to a similar question. He was not taking anything away from Tiger, but he said you cannot dominance of the two sports. He went on to say that in tennis you can be playing great over all but have one bad day and your tourney is over. However in golf, a great player can have an off day and still come back the next day to win.

    Considering the aforementioned, I'd have to give the nod to Federer.
     
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