Tiger or Lion? (Strength or just your preference)

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Lion or Tiger???

Poll closed Nov 15, 2005.
  1. Question 1: If they fight, Lion wins

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  2. Question 1: If they fight, Tiger wins

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  3. Question 2: I like Lion better

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  4. Question 2: I like Tiger better

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  1. Tenny

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    Just for fun!

    Which do you think will win if they fight? I know there are lots of factors (1 vs 1, group vs. group, jungle or plain...). Just post your scenario.

    If you are a pacifist, just tell us which beast you like better (total 4 options - 2 for which animal wins, and the other two is for which animal you like. Of course, you can vote for both question).


    Edberg is a Tiger, Becker is a Lion. I feel Tigers are slightly bigger and stronger. I think Tiger is way cooler than Lion. Stealthy killing machine.
     
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  2. vkartikv

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    Tigers attack from behind and at night, lions are braver. I prefer tabby cats :)
     
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  3. Tenny

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    vkartikv, I am not sure about this since I was never attacked by a tiger from behind and at night. ;)

    BTW, some scientists have showed their low frequency growl can actually paralyzes the preys (they tested with animals and they couldn't move their feet!). Pretty cool and scary, isn't it?
     
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  4. vkartikv

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    I used to read these books by Jim Corbett, an Englishman who spent a lot of time in northern India helping small villages get rid of maneating tigers, which had become that way because they were deprived of their natural prey (by man) or some inexperienced hunter shot them in the paw and they couldnt hunt for their natural prey anymore.

    Anyway, they prefered to attack by night and from behind - this came from Mr. Corbett himself, who killed plenty of maneaters during his time, so I know it is true.
     
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  5. vkartikv

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    BTW, did tennis save your life from a predator? :p
     
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  6. Tenny

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    Of course they did!

    Er...kind of. THE Aliens and The predators are two ugliest alien species in this galaxy. We'd given up!:(

    They just don't know how to live peacefully with others. For more information, check out these links. They are very informative.

    Once my fellow Tennis save my life when I encountered a nasty predator on vacation in a jungle of some remote planet...:rolleyes:

    Tenny, a Tenni from planet Tennisia.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00012FXAE/104-8933403-7495931?v=glance&n=130&n=507846&s=dvd&v=glance

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000244EMO/104-8933403-7495931?v=glance&n=130&s=dvd&v=glance

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AP04P6/104-8933403-7495931?v=glance&n=130&s=dvd&v=glance
     
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  7. Tenny

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    Again, POGO is everywhere, eh?! :confused:
     
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  8. @wright

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    I prefer a Liger - a half lion/half tiger, bred for its skills in magic.
     
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  9. Tenny

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    Lion and tiger habitats only overlap in one area, the Gir Forest of India, and both are extremely rare.

    Liger?
    http://images.google.com/images?q=liger&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=ii&oi=imagest

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hybridacademy.com/images/hobbs.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hybridacademy.com/liger.htm&h=214&w=200&sz=12&tbnid=zTtp2mZzcEkJ:&tbnh=101&tbnw=94&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dliger%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

    And about Tigon and Ti-Tigon?

    http://www.shambala.org/biographies/patrick.htm

    Oh, Noelle is a Tigon!
     
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  10. stc9357

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    Tiger is physically stronger than a Lion and if introduced to Africa they would be the real kings.
     
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  11. tonyjh63

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    the Discovery Channel did a "scientific" study on this, and concluded that the lion would win, 'cause while tigers sneak up on and kill their prey very efficiently, lions are always having to actually fight to keep their territory and "harems," thus, they (lions) are better at actually fighting. I don't think a tiger could kill a fully-grown lion with a quick strike like it does its regular prey.
     
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  12. AAAA

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    I'm bettin' on the Sabertooth tiger.
     
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  13. scotus

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    There was nothing scientific about that show on discovery. They made some robot cats that simulated the big cats' biting power, but the whole show struck me as bordering on ridiculous.

    Pound for pound, tigers are stronger and more agile than lions. There is a video that features an actual cage fight between a tiger and a lion, staged by some sickos in N. Korea. The smaller tiger knocked out the lion with a single paw strike and then killed it.

    But in my opinion, it would usually come down to which cat is larger. A typical African male lion should outweigh a bengal tiger by 100-200 lbs and should be able to defeat it in a fight. But the same lion would be no match for a Siberian tiger which is usually 100-200 lbs larger than the African lion.

    By the way, the lions having more fighting experience is just pure nonsense. Most hunting is done by females, yet it is clearly the case that males can easily beat the much more "battle-tested" females. Male lions do not engage in many fights against other lions, either. When trying to take over a pride, fights are usually decided by pure intimidation factors, and even when actual fights break out, they do not last long. Usually one party submits and flees. Lions know that if they actually do engage in fierce fights against each other, one or both parties would die, either directly from the fight or from infections that ensue.

    Tigers need to use stealth, because they are solitary hunters. Lions in the prairies of Africa, on the other hand, do not have trees to hide behind. So they usually team up. A few lionesses do the chasing, and a few others ambush. Either way, there's not much of a fight. The prey always runs. Females do all the work and when the hunt is successful, the males come to claim the meal.
     
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  14. tonyjh63

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    "Lions know that if they actually do engage in fierce fights against each other, one or both parties would die, either directly from the fight or from infections that ensue." - scotus

    Hmm, I wonder exactly how a lion "knows" about infections, and just how deeply they think about "one or both parties" dieing.<G>
    Btw, there's a reason why I had the word scientific in quotation marks.
     
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    You should ask seigfred and roy.
     
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  16. legolas

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    in discovery channel, they said lions would win, lets put it this way, lion is federer, tiger is nadal, good in one surface, clay aka jungle, u dig bro?
     
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  17. DanN

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    I did a little research on this a while back and found some interesting stuff but nothing really conclusive. Here's the link:

    http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict4.html


    In summary, sometimes the lion wins, sometimes the tiger wins.

    On a personal note, I love cats and it sickens me a bit that in some cultures, fights like this are arranged and carried out :(.
     
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  18. scotus

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    Let's just say that lions are conditioned--both by hereditary conditioning (or instinct) and experience--to know that cuts and injuries, even seemingly minor ones, can lead to debilitating conditions, which in the wild basically means death. Animals know about infections pretty much the same way our human ancestors knew about infections. They did not know the exact causes and the germs involved, but they knew that some wounds just do not heal but get worse and lead to more serious conditions, often leading to death. Lions grow up seeing this all around them.

    This is why predators hesitate to fight each other when they are evenly matched, and they usually observe their own boundaries. Even a pride of lions tend to pick on preys that would pose no real threat to their health, and when bigger and stronger animals, such as elephants, come their way, all the lions regardless of sex run their tails off.

    You seem to think that animals think very little about their livelihood. I beg to differ. Tigers and lions kill for their own survival, and they try not to get into fights that would endanger it. These animals are more shrewd than we give them credit for.

    But I apologize for not noticing the quotation marks around the word 'scientific.'
     
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  19. AAAA

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    Don't forget to say many mammals lick their wounds because saliva can kill minor germs. I supspect this is the origin of the expression 'lick ones wounds'.
     
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  20. jaskey

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    i believe the tigers attack with both paws while lions attack with one. in a case where lion could be surprised tiger might be able to win, but other wise more stable attack of the lion would be better imho. it's like a pusher and a aggressive baseliner, where lion is the pusher (safer but less effective attacks) and tiger is the aggressive baseliner. (risky but more effective attacks)

    so i think lion would win in a fair fight, but i like tigers better.
     
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  21. legolas

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    its like ptting an 800 pound mako shark against an 800 pound great white, one is fierce an scary, the other fierce and hungry
     
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  22. Camilio Pascual

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    Plus, the most feral ones have been and are selected against and do not contribute their feral behaviour as much to the gene pool.
     
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  23. stc9357

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    The tiger will win hands down I can't even believe somebody would say a lion would win. Tiger have a distinct weight advantage they are far more powerful and the Lions can't compete against it. It would be like roddick firing 140 mph serves at the average rec. player they wouldn't even touch the ball.
     
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  24. vkartikv

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    How about man (without firearms or weapons) vs. tiger+lion? Would that finally teach man not to hunt down defenseless creatures?
     
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  25. Noelle

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    :lol: I can't believe you actually went and did research on that, Tenny. You busted me; I have a lioness for a mother and a tiger for a father. :D
     
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  26. Tenny

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    Do they get along well, Noelle, the Tigon? Seems you gotta help your father from time to time :D

    Check this out.
    http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict4.html (Thanks to DanN, It's very helpful, thanks DanN!)

    * Seated next to a tiger, the lion is composed. The tiger, on the other hand, is usually nervous and apprehensive. The tiger does not seem to have the lion's capacity for calm analysis and appraisal. This puts him at a disadvantage in a fight with a lion."

    * The tiger has no rival as a pure predator, but hates the idea of a fight. As a lone predator, fighting for the tiger is an extremely bad idea and injury from a fight could spell starvation.
    Predation for food should not be confused with ability in battle. It is a common misapprehension that being the better solitary hunter automatically means the tiger will also be the better fighter. This is incorrect as the techniques used and experiences involved are quite different.
    *In the case of a lion killing another maned male many have learnt to attack beyond the mane, usually at the back of the front leg.
    This happens particularly in southern areas where the lions have very thick manes. It is a purely learnt behaviour and the tiger would not know this technique, having never needed to use it.


    *Famous tamer Clyde Beatty made his name for working alone in a cage surrounded by forty wild lions and tigers. He is quoted as saying:
    "I can cite a few instances of male tigers whipping male lions, but I can't think of one such case where the tiger didn't have a distinct advantage. I also recall a case where a tiger had a marked advantage and lost the fight. The lion seems to have no fear of the tiger.

    Conclusion:

    *The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters. Paradoxically this has made him a poor predator.

    It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts. The ultimate conclusion is up to the reader, and this article seeks not to give you a definite answer, only something to ponder on. Perhaps the final comment should come from animal trainer Louis Roth, who once said he had "seen enough fights to conclude that none of the theories is accurate; sometimes a lion would win, sometimes a tiger".
     
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  27. Tenny

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    But the winner is...Grizzly Bear!

    Grizzly bear pit fights:

    The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.
    Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.
    The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.
    The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion.
     
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  28. DFoo

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    LOL, another forum used to do fights exactly like this. I vote SILVERBACK MOUNTAIN GORILLA, or a Utah Raptor/or cousin rather(Jurassic Park raptor)
     
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  29. Tenny

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    Raptor? How about Raptor vs. Grizzly Bear? I might sound like a idiot roman citizen at the collesseum but just curious. Or, even though I saw a video of Killer Whale killing a Great white shark, I still wonder what would happen if those two animals of same size fight each other.
     
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