Tips/Instruction Needed

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  1. iloveROGER

    iloveROGER New User

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    Please kindly help on my skill, any tips/instruction are all welcome, thanks.

    I've pick up tennis since late summer 2008, and soon addicted to it,
    so I become a weekend worriver ever since.

    I'm now 30 yrs old and my racquet history is
    Wilson $20 cheap racquet => Head MG Extreme => MG Prestige mid => K90
    (It's true my first wilson rac is bought @ US$19 = NTD600.)
    K90 => Babolat aerostrom 300g (all sold)

    Current Racket :
    HEAD speed MP & MPA 300g + Babolat purestrike 100 (290g) + Wilson Prostaff 97LS(290g)

    I guess I'm ntrp 3.0 or above but I do get bageled all the time >_<.
    Mental game suggestion will be nice too.

    2015_New racket speed MPA (300g) & Prostaff 97LS (290g)

    (Doubles with Vivik vs. Molik + Dhamendra)
    http://youtu.be/6DbicBbdOac

    (Doubles with Fulop vs. Siddo)
    http://youtu.be/8ql7mPP_g9g

    ( vs Indian 55+ champion Mr.Yogesh )
    part 1 => http://youtu.be/ZdyKLYg97aE
    part 2 => http://youtu.be/uvf_LTIpfpQ

    (11 points with Jayesh)
    http://youtu.be/oW76LCthZao

    (Doubles with Siddo vs. Jayesh & his friend)
    http://youtu.be/M93mYQxd0P0
    http://youtu.be/cTWZrnCirY4

    (Doubles with uncle vs colonel & Prayank)
    http://youtu.be/pyriCn-Wxco


    2014_New Racquet HEAD SPEED MP 300g 16*19
    http://youtu.be/BO2kHayGBBk

    2014_New Racquet : Babolat PURESTRIKE (290gram, 16*19) 5pts HL
    http://youtu.be/FXSKo_xjsQY

    2013/14_(vs Mr.Narendra 1 & 2, vs Siddo)
    http://youtu.be/YK9sCwEM6f4
    http://youtu.be/koyRIVqy7uU
    http://youtu.be/koyRIVqy7uU

    2013_(vs. Mr.Molik 1 & 2 & Remix)
    http://youtu.be/mGQdOGtVQBo
    http://youtu.be/Zm72-A_fBuQ
    http://youtu.be/nJk1PQF5MwY

    2012_(vs. Mr.Janett 1 & 2 & Doubles)
    http://youtu.be/G2OgAGd6jQA
    http://youtu.be/AO8og8IJlTE
    http://youtu.be/vmgSFC6du9A

    2011_(A 90 secs Serve Game)
    http://youtu.be/wXZZX23qsnw

    2008-10
    https://www.youtube.com/user/ezlov/videos
     
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  2. fuzz nation

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    One of the best things I've learned to help with my mental game is getting more comfortable with the fact that I'm going to miss. There's no getting around that, so when it happens, it doesn't necessarily shake me up so much. In fact, it's an absolute must for me to miss shots if I'm going to get better.

    You look like you're having some good fun with those strokes, but you might be trying to crush the ball a little too much - hard to tell. Consistency is your highest priority, so it might help if you're never looking to hit the ball at more than 75-80% of your full power.

    You really "trap door" that backhand slice with a severe high-to-low swing, your wrist breaks open, and you're flat footed. Since that shot will only help you in the future, you ought to solidify it.

    Get your weight transferred onto your left foot before you take the forward stroke and maintain a somewhat firm wrist throughout. At the completion of your slice, you want to still have that "L" that's formed between your forearm and the racquet throat. The tip of your racquet ought to be pointing roughly at your target instead of over at the right fence at the end of your follow through. Keep the "L" together and let your hand lead the racquet.
     
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  3. Dreamer

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    You often move through your shot in the forehand side. Considering that the balls are coming right at you, you shouldn't have to do this. You want a still head and a still stroke on contact so the racquet head won't be affected by your movement. You want to be steady before you hit the stroke. Right now you're jumping and moving mid air while hitting the stroke. This will lead to inconsistency and a lot of mistakes. It's an issue with your footwork.

    you also keep going airborne when it's not necessary. Stay grounded unless the ball goes over your hitting zone and you want to take it early.

    Work on staying grounded and balanced, also what will help is learning the proper pivoting off a neutral and open stance.
    I feel like a broken record, but many videos have shown the same errors.

    You also watch your shots instead of recovering earlier, probably a side affect of being used to not having a rally going.

    As mentioned by fuzzy earlier, your slice is breaking early

    Your strokes don't look half bad. Work on your positioning and footwork, I think you should also try taking the ball earlier.
     
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  4. iloveROGER

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    Hi Dreamer and fuzzy, really appreciated, men !!

    I thought the videos are too short for details but amazingly you've all
    pointed out many bad habits I've developed, I'll take note and try
    to improve and back for more advise, really thanks !!

    cheers : )
     
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  5. papa

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    You know, I really like to get players like you in my clinics because with a little help, you could become a very good player. My guess is that you've had some limited instruction but that "maybe" you've done a lot on your own which is fine.

    Seeing someone hit a few balls can be misleading but I like what I see.
     
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  6. iloveROGER

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    Hi Papa, thanks for the response, really!

    Just as you noticed, my skill are self-taught mostly, some senior member in my usual court gave me this Tennis Instruction CD made by China's sports channel CCTV 5, featuring former USPTA chirman DAVID T. PORTER coaching some chinese WTA players like "Zheng Jie, Li Na, etc ..." is my first enlightenment.

    I also check Nick's intruction manual and video/youtube afterward,
    I see many fed's game from 03~present and try to follow up the ATP schedule now as long as the Fed is in, but basically is try to get my lazy ass to the court as often as I can and hit the ball ...

    I often been to by some senior players that my UE is way too much
    and I overhitiing/airbone a lot (just like fuzzy and dremer said earlier).

    Also my winning percentage is better on double's game, but never
    the singles, probably results from I oftern rush to the net and gamble
    on each shot (to me is much fun and challenging), and I really dont have too much patience to have the rally going, lazy footwork and no stamina at all.

    Very unstable in short, I may do ntrp 3.0 when practice but fall to 2.0 when the game is on, my current focus is try to have the rally as long as I can.

    Lately I found that if I go about 60% and save some gas when warm up, I can able to do better when playing games later, also, I try to slow/calm down between points and it also helps....


    :oops:
     
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  7. Dominik

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    I absolutely LOOOOOOOOVE your forehand. It looks very Federer-esque, have you been watching a lot of those Federer youtube vids?

    The backhand you did looked like it was just arm though. Depending on what you're trying to do, turn more of your back to face the opponent and use your shoulder rotation for the stroke rather than your arm. It will be smoother, make power effortless, and best of all, will probably be much more reproducible. Make sure to have your arm straight at contact and your nondominant arm moving back to counterbalance.
     
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  8. papa

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    David Porter is very solid so you've found an excellent person to watch.

    I think your doing well, keep it up.
     
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  9. High Roller

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    Really nice form given your playing/training history -- keep up the great work. My only suggestion is to think about holding your ground/court position and not leaning/stepping back so much.
     
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  10. iloveROGER

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  11. 5263

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    way better than 3.5 ntrp stoke wise, but if you miss too much, you don't win.

    I noticed in your warm up how you pushed the racket head, which sort of defeats
    the purpose of warm up. When you limber up, work to really drag that racket face,
    which is really more like you do in match play. I do think you muscle the racket
    head around even in match play a bit too much, and that little bit is likely the
    problem that leads to many of your misses.

    also take a look at-

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=413112&highlight=smart+targets
     
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  12. iloveROGER

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    Hey 5263, really appreciate your kind suggestion, I did often try to muscle the racquet and hope to over power the opponent, and I'm lack patience and stamina to really constructing the points....

    Here again upload some of the videos recorded in 2013,
    I should actually upload those points I lost for you guys to
    making suggestion, but I think from below videos, you can
    find many of my limitation including :

    1. Afraid of attacking on those short balls which fall around the
    service line and bounce around shoulder high.

    2. Difficulty handling top-spin shots to my backhand side, and
    when I try slice it back, I do not get the ball low or skid or deep enough.

    3. K90 is now too heavy for me now (35 yrs old), I am also thinking
    to get a new racquet, which is more Head-Lighted compare to the
    aero-storm I'm using now, so I can generate more spin of my OHBH.

    I still like K90's comfort and its hit-through when hitting the sweet spot,
    but I really start to feel tired of my shoulder and almost feel like Im going
    to threw it out when serving, only after a few games.

    http://youtu.be/mGQdOGtVQBo
    http://youtu.be/Zm72-A_fBuQ
    http://youtu.be/mGQdOGtVQBo
     
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  13. iloveROGER

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  14. 5263

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    Looking pretty good overall...especially for self taught and nice tight serve!

    2 big points I'd like to make along with my earlier comments.

    first is you need to get a better feel having a great position for your contact point. think of a golfer and how much time they spend getting set just so. you don't have that much time, but need to make better use of the time you have. each ball seems to bounce up and surprise you a bit.

    Second is you swing reminds me of how too much wrist activity is a dangerous and sloppy thing. as in my earlier post, work on dragging that racket thru the contact with little or no wrist at all...when that feels good, you can let up and let the wrist work with the centrifugal force of the swing. first drag the racket towards contact, the right before your hand approaches contact, start change the direction of the hand to more across to the left shoulder....when you start to drag the hand across, the head will come out some on it's own due to the change of direction in the swing.
    This will also help you to attack the mid ct balls around the svc line if you just flatten the swing a bit for them...not very much low to high for these attacks
     
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  15. Fintft

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    Not too shabby :) How often do you play?
     
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  16. iloveROGER

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    Thanks for your precious analysis and suggestions, 5263 !!

    Regarding 1st point => When serving, after I complete the service, normally I will be standing 1 step ahead of the baseline already, and when receiving, I also like to push forward with my return, sometimes do the return and volley, so if opponent come back with the shot good and deep, I tend to find myself in an awkward position, and then wont b able to put myself settle and hit....

    Finding a comfortable positon to hit all the time is a diffcult job, so I'm constantly trying to do that and meantime hope to train myself to return
    all kinds of varieties shot that put in front of me in any place of the court.

    As for 2nd point, does this means that I need to be firm of my wrist before contact ?? and after the racquet head makes contact with the ball, then I can loosen the wrist and let it work naturally ??

    http://youtu.be/YK9sCwEM6f4
    here's another clip I took it this morning.

    Hi Fintft, here in India everyone play from 6AM to almost 11am,
    so I am lucky to play almost daily for atleast 1 hour.
     
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  17. 86golf

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    You tend to decelerate on you ts backhand. Work on your mechanics, face angle, swing path so you can hit that shot with more racquet head speed which will help you control the ball more. You tend to guide it, which will hurt you when you play better opponents that have more pace and spin.
     
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  18. iloveROGER

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    Thx 86golf, my OHBH is a always unstable, on/off all the time.
    Also true is that I tend to send the ball back to my opponent,
    is not that I want to , but some time I am afraid to pull the trigger ....

    http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=koyRIVqy7uU

    Here's few more clips I upload lately, any suggestion and instructions is
    really appreciated, thanks in advance. :)
     
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  19. mxmx

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    On the original video:
    Biggest thing I noticed, was that on 90% of your shots, your weight transfer was not forward enough. Your weight should go forward and not sideways or falling back.

    Run toward ball > stop & balance (if possible) > contact & weight forward into direction you want to hit.

    accelleration and decelleration can also look like this:

    Split Step before contact > larger steps > shorter steps > baby steps > stop > contact (cause wider stance/step) > baby steps > shorter steps > larger steps....Split Step before contact...(maybe someone can word this better?)
     
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  20. LiquidWhip

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    ^I was going to point out the same thing about the weight transfer. It’s particularly noticeable on your backhand side.

    As mxmx points out to really add weight and depth to your shots, thus creating a heavier ball, you need to be shifting your weight forward.

    Also, as Dreamer points out in an earlier post, you have a habit of going airborne too often (which I used to do) and if my past experience is anything to go by, I bet you find yourself shanking or mishitting the ball fairly often when jumping – particularly when going for a big shot.

    Staying grounded will help you not only feel more stable and more balanced as Dreamer pointed out but also help address the problem pointed out by mxmx regarding weight transfer, particularly as it seems that every time you are going airborne your body weight is going upwards and backwards a lot of the time.

    If you focus on loading up your legs and transferring your body weight forward (whilst staying grounded) rather than upwards/backwards (and therefore wasting the stored kinetic energy), I bet you and your opponent will notice a lot more weight/pace to your shots in no time.
     
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  21. shindemac

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    Unless you plan to take the ball on the rise, don't hug the baseline so closely. I would work on a couple things.

    1. Take a couple steps back from the baseline.
    2. Footwork.

    There's a recurring pattern in the video. Your opponent hits deep. You backpedal to get there. You cough up weak replies. Your opponent approaches the net and moves you around.

    Running forward is faster and easier than backpedaling. Improve footwork so you can give yourself more time to setup better. Do suicides, sprints, agility ladder, etc. Also work on tennis specific footwork drills. Seen you move laterally then move backward. Moving in a straight line is faster.
     
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  22. iloveROGER

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    Thx mxmx, I normally transfer my weight to the ball during the approach shot only, because I know that is the shot I hit when moving forward.

    http://youtu.be/nAXsBxhGv2I

    Here the "weight should go forward" on my basic shots, does it means that I should carry the momentum I generate from the ground and transfer it by stepping forward after hitting ? leaning forward on the time of hitting ? or ?

    I remember watch 1 drill introduced by a coach name Yang (FYB or ...), he instructs the same as carry your momentum forward, so basically what he do is that he will step 1 step further for every shot.

    My question is, I already find my shot tend to go out of the baseline often, I assumed it is because I use eastern FH, so compare to most of the player nowadays who use semi or full western FH, my FH is relatively flat already, and I have to keep reminding myself to use "SPIN" to return those really weak 2nd serve by my opponent. Or to use "SPIN" on those middle court short ball when hitting the approach shot.

    So Can I put my weight onto my baseline shot and still keep them inside ?



    Thanks liquidwhip ! My airborne problem must because I used to play basketball and always like to do a layup. Now I do it when I'm dealing with those crazy topspin shot which fall deep to the court and I really dont want to fall back too much and try to take it on the rise as you know I am using the eastern FH so for me the high-jump ball is really hard to hit once they are out of my normal hitting zone....


    Thx shindemac, I am still forcing myself I must learn to take the ball on the rise! I guess that how you see I got caught in an awkward position and have to return with some really weak shots.

    BTW, any suggestion on HOW to practice footwork during double's match ?
    you know my club members they dont really think about improving their game but come here for the matches only....

    http://youtu.be/YK9sCwEM6f4

    http://youtu.be/koyRIVqy7uU

    http://youtu.be/sII-_s4nzfg

    http://youtu.be/r8x_evGYdLU
     
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  23. mxmx

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    Weight transfer can be very similar as if one is about to approach the net, except one doesn't. One recovers back to the ready position at the baseline.

    Your weight transfer is from the back foot into contact and and onto front foot. I would say that it is almost safer to hit the ball on the front foot and never on the back foot. Sometimes one contacts when the weight transfer from the back to the front foot is in the middle...in other words weight on both feet and then front foot. In my opinion it can be "back foot > both feet > front foot (contact)"....or..."back foot > both feet (contact) > front foot" but never "back foot (contact) > both feet > front foot".

    My guess is that you are opening up the racket face too soon. You need to hit the ball with the racket 90deg with the ground. If you hit the ball at 110deg you are opening up too soon. If you are hitting at 70deg (and the ball is not heavily on the rise) you are too closed.
    So its 90deg on contact and then 80, 70, 60 etc on the follow through (either around the body, or around the neck, depending on the technique). For you, I would suggest to follow through around the neck at first. But learn both.

    The idea is not that one jumps because one wants to jump...but rather that one bends the knees so much, and that the energy is so much on your lift, that jumping is as a result. Based on your videos, you are not jumping as "a result" of good knee bend...you are just jumping into the shot. Rather focus on steadying your base and bending the knees...sometimes you will find that you lift from the ground as a result. Never ever try to jump to look good. I always tell my younger friends this. Your weight should be upward AND forward with the emphasis on forward and not upward.

    One good tip I can teach you when it comes to footwork in doubles...is that you always follow your partner. If he is drawn wide, you need to follow him to cover the middel of the net. If you approach the net, your partner should do the same. If you both are lobbed, both should move back. One should move in unison and one will cover most of the angles like this. Imagine being tied with a piece of rope of about 3 metres.
    The closer you are to the net, the lower your body positioning should be with the racket face height. Balls at the net that are fast and low are easier to contact this way. Anything high and hard above your face normally means out.
     
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  24. iloveROGER

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    Thx mxmx, do u mind posting any of your hitting or match video so i can learn from it more directly?
     
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    Re. the heavy topspin shots, you don’t need to jump to take it on the rise. If you’re truly determined to take it on the rise/early (therefore robbing your opponent of time) you want to be making contact earlier/lower and before it reaches a height which causes you to jump. It’s a very tricky skill to master, especially with heavy topspin shots and you’ll need to focus on watching the ball more intently, setting your feet up correctly and bending your knees properly before driving forwards and upwards into the ball as it kicks towards you.

    Naturally, though there will be occasions where you may need to jump and if this is required then try to follow the principles above of driving forwards and not just upwards to create more depth.

    Re. your shots tending to go out of the baseline often, an eastern FH grip really shouldn’t be the issue as it seems you already utilise a decent enough windscreen wiper motion which should in theory help to impart spin so perhaps it is as mxmx suggest something to do with opening up the racquet too soon. Perhaps you could adopt a modified eastern forehand grip (like Federer) if it’s comfortable to do so to help close the racquet a little as well as impart more spin and therefore give you a better chance of keeping the ball in.

    Re. doubles, one other tip which regarding positioning and footwork is that when at the net, as soon as your partner hits a weak shot (i.e. a weak lob) which allows the opposing net player(s) to really attack, you need to start stepping backwards to give you and your partner the best chance to defend. You’ll pretty much be a sitting duck otherwise.
     
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  26. GuyClinch

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    You need to work on the backhand - if I was playing you I would attack it a lot more then that guy did. You really need to get your self to step into it - straighten your arm and finish high.

    Part of the problem is likely the slice that will bail you out and win you some cheap points so your topspin one doesn't get enough work.

    The rest of your game looks excellent you would beat on 3.0s in the states I think and beat a lot of 3.5s too.
     
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    Yeah, excellent strokes for your level, and if you play some more, will get to 4.0 easily. Just stay more grounded when you hit, and power will come.
     
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    Hi there

    It took me years to get a serve video online...and almost 2 years have past since then where I could not even upload an updated serve video.

    I need a hitting partner, someone to take the vid and better internet to upload the large file, the latter a bigger concern. I don't wanna make any promises...
     
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  29. iloveROGER

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    Thx GuyClinch, I recently bought 2 new rackets, Babolat Purestrike 100 & HEAD Speed MP 16/19, before I make the decision about which to buy, I watch a lot of test video from tenniswarehouse like below :

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviewvideo.html?pcode=PS100&vid=rEoqlG2dfiI

    In the video, featuring below players :

    And the Playtester Profiles are :

    Tiffani: 4.0 level baseliner with a semiwestern grip on the forehand and hits a two-handed backhand. Currently playing with the Donnay Formula 100.

    Brittany: Open level player with a semi-western forehand and a two-handed backhand. She currently plays with the Yonex V-Core 100S.

    Mike: 5.0 baseliner with a semi-western forehand and two-handed backhand. His current racquet of choice is a customized Prince Triple Threat Warrior.

    Karly: 4.0 baseline player currently playing with the Volkl Organix 10 Mid. She hits with a semi-western forehand grip and uses a two handed backhand.

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/PS100/PS100review.html

    My question is, are those playtesters really NTRP 4 & 5 players ?
    Or this is rather a very subjective system to judge ?

    I re-arrange of my video link :

    1. 2011_(A 90 secs Serve Game)
    http://youtu.be/wXZZX23qsnw


    2. 2012_(vs. Mr.Janett 1 & 2 & Doubles)
    http://youtu.be/G2OgAGd6jQA
    http://youtu.be/AO8og8IJlTE
    http://youtu.be/vmgSFC6du9A


    3. 2013_(vs. Mr.Molik 1 & 2 & Remix)
    http://youtu.be/mGQdOGtVQBo
    http://youtu.be/Zm72-A_fBuQ
    http://youtu.be/nJk1PQF5MwY


    4. 2013/14_(vs Mr.Narendra 1 & 2, vs Siddo)
    http://youtu.be/YK9sCwEM6f4
    http://youtu.be/koyRIVqy7uU
    http://youtu.be/koyRIVqy7uU

    TBC .....
     
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  30. LeeD

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    I've seen the TW players on their vids.
    Yes, every single one would beat you easily.
    I watched your last vid. You swing too slow, actually hit push topspin balls, run thru a lot of shots, and need some help on the backhand slice, the most often used defensive shot.
    You hit like you are afraid to hit long, or make a mistake. Tennis does work with a lamb''s game, but it takes much more time, experience, running, and physical endurance.
     
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    @iloveROGER: You should check TW's doubles league on their blog. When they are a bit more competitive, they play nothing like in the reviews.I find the reviews quite deceiving, but it's normal: they're reviewing gear, not doing a bragging rights contest.
     
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  32. iloveROGER

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    Thx LeeD, even to Tiffany n Karly?:oops:

    You r right about im afraid to hit deep n make mistake, also my slice often float the ball n cant keep it low n skid.
     
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    Thx, lukhas, can u post a link here?
     
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    One problem most player's don't understand about playing against girls. While they usually have little power (Serena is an exception), they are more used to playing GUYS than you are used to playing GIRLS.
    Yes, in theory, 1/2 level differences at lower levels, and one whole level difference from around 4.0 and up, and a little more at the very top.
    But that is theory, dependent on how the two player's actually hit, and relying that the guy should somewhat overpower the woman with his best game, and he's able to bring it at will.
    Not all that happens in set play.
    Girls have nothing to lose playing against guys.
    Guys put all the pressure on themselves, have everything to lose, will feel more pressure. Can the guy perform under that much pressure?
    I can expound quite a bit more, mainly because I've lots of experience playing against girls.
    But, some guys here would ridicule such experience and knowledge.
     
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    You r right leed, i know that is first from Nickpolitery‘s video, also i play with womens, one regular female member from my court is good, i also upload 1 video featuring her already.

    But from tw‘s video, it looks like they are more like ntrp 3 but 4 or 5 so im asking.

    Regarding my swing too slow, i think is my natural swing already, i will muscle it if i want to go faster, can u suggest how to go faster?

    Thx for so many insight feedback!
     
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    Just go to their blog and type "doubles league" in the search bar.
    http://blog.tennis-warehouse.com
     
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    Your swing speed on groundies is probably just fine for now, but you hit with too much spin, so your balls move slow, giving time for any decent opponent.
    Your swing speed in serves is the problem. That's why your serves don't threaten anyone better than around 3.0 levels. Swing faster on serves, especially second serves.
     
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    What a bunch of nonsense. Your 'experience' came 30 years ago. The best female you have played with recently are low ranked juniors. Serena is the only one with power? Heck I know little 9-11 year old girls who can crack groundies harder than you can.

    You have no idea the levels of today's female tennis. The sectionally ranked girls you play with are light years away from the top talents. We see the best girls down here from around the world when they come to train with Macci, Saviano, Sanchez Casal and others. They would eat the 4th ranked Norcal 12 you play with, and big sis, for lunch. Even the #1 ranked 12 is not on their level as she chases points, wins by dinking, and has a game built to win in the 12s, not the WTA like these other girls. There are girls who are not worrying about juniors and training daily vs former 400-500 ATP guys....and they would destroy you or any 4.0

    I wish you lived in SE FL. I would personally pick you up and bring you to a TOP female tennis program. I would then set up a radar gun. After that I would have you play a 10 year old girl down here.

    And I guarantee the 10 year old girl would hit a harder forehand than you when measured on the radar gun, and beat you 6-0. And she and 5 other top 10-11 year olds would hit just as hard as ANY 4.0 man you could come up with.

    Your problem is you have a bad frame of reference in regards to when you last hit with TOP females. In 1978 females did not train 20 hours a week, proper technique, mental conditioning, top equipment, grueling physical training. There are tons more females training full time for tennis than in 1978, way, way more competition, way, way better players. The top 10 year olds these days hit way harder than most adult females did even 10 years ago.

    The FACT is that the ATP men and top D-1 guys are much better than the females. But that is where it ends. The 2nd best players on the planet are the top females, WTA and top junior 14s-18s.

    The top men are way above the top women...who are still way, way, way better than you or any 4.0 or any 4.5. The PRESSURE you feel is because they are way BETTER at tennis than you!
     
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    Good rant, but a rant nonetheless.
    Yes, Azaria lost to Black, 9 months ago 3-1. They were at 3 all. Azaria, according to her dad, just folded completely.
    A 10 year old hitting harder than a fully grown man? You are out of your mind. I hit with 5.5's MEN occasionally, and they don't hit any harder than I hit, but they have more control when hitting that hard.
    3 years ago, I hit with Aba, just after he graduated from Harvard. He was No.2 for Harvard aaaa.
    You are out of your mind. Those girls might crush YOU.
    And girls in 1978 or so, top 18 year olds, could hit with 5.0 men pretty evenly, and some had the ball speed to hit winners off Open level men....in 1978.
    Are you saying an 18 year old MareenLouie hit's softer than any girl today?
     
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    No, you are out of touch. Name just one top junior tennis program you have been around in the last 5 years.

    I have been to Sanchez Casal, Sy Blacks, Savianos, Maccis, IMG, Saddlebrook, HITS, ET Dumas. These coaches and academies get girls from all over the world.

    This is a worthless discussion simply because you have zero frame of reference. I watch several times a week Russian 9-11 year olds battle with former 400-600 ATP guys. I watch a Serbian girl crush balls side by side with a top D-1 player. I did not see girls this age hit this hard even 5 years ago.

    Unless you have been around top junior females lately, you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about.

    And the girl you play with? Saw her at the Jr. Orange Bowl, went out in the 3rd round. Got a nice early round draw as her high sectional ranking helped, but badly outgunned at the Orange Bowl, even by girls who are younger. Nice player....but dad is having fun with you if he is talking "WTA in a few years". She is a nice sectional level player but mid pack on the international level.
     
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    You're really going to compare Orange Bowl junior girls in the 12s to a couple of old, fat guys who got to 4.0 because they play USTA 4 times a week against other fat, old guys?

    At least make a fair comparison. Go to a ZAT for girls 12s. 90% of those girls are pusher/dinkers and unforced error machines. Those old guys hit harder.

    The 4.0s I play against hit harder than those Orange Bowl girls -- myself included.
     
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    I realize the girls at Zonals are nothing special. From what I'm getting, Lee thinks the Zonals girls he plays with are indicative of the top girls. Nowhere near the case. And you say you hit harder than the girls on the video. Where's your match video so we can compare? Is this the one where you play your rally ball less than three feet from the baseline without missing?
     
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    And even the G12s Jr. Orange Bowl is not the top level. Some of the best girls from around the world do not go to the Jr. Orange Bowl. They do not start to show up until the Sr. Orange Bowl for the 16s-18s.

    These Russian and Bosnian girls train solely with the best former ATPs their parents can afford. They totally crush the ball.

    There is no more delusional creature on earth than a 4.0 guy with an inflated ego. But the 4.0-4.5 guys that stand around and watch these Russian 9-11 year olds train respect them and know the would get destroyed by them. They have no false delusions that they nor any of their 4.0 buddies hit as hard.
     
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    Those posted "4.0's" are the sorriest, weakest hitting OLD FARTS I've seen to claim 4.0.
    Guess you missed my post on how to play girls. Lefty serves, net play, slice short angles, hit out on forehands, use drop shots to move them, not to win the point, but to run them.
    They don't take 4.0 men seriously anyways, so won't really try.
    Top 12's girls hit like 4.5 men.
    Hitting and playing sets are two very different things.
    A real 4.5 mens would crush me, as some of my 5.0 buds do.
    But a 12 year old girl, who might hit like a strong 4.5, is a very different story.
     
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    Oh, would I lose to a top 12 girls?
    YES. My two buds, both in the 40's who play that girl loses 2's mostly. But they are both righties, both don't have real serves, both don't volley well nor approach well, and both have no experience playing against girls.
    And both lose to the lesser older sister by about 3-4's.
    I beat the older sister 2's.
     
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    Please. If you don't think that a moderately competitive 4.0 can hit harder than Girls 12s... you are really deluded.

    Also, you're the last person who should be questioning anybody else about their claims. What did you say you were? A 5.5? I know I'm not the only one waiting for your competitive match video at that level.

    And you're going to get on me because you don't think I can repeatedly hit a loopy ball CC within 3 feet of the backhand lines with a good degree of accuracy?
     
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    You don't have to tell me. I regularly hit with a SuperChamps 14 girl. She absolutely crushes the ball, hits insanely flat, and I can't get more than two games off her. She crushes me. But let's be clear, the cream of the crop 14s are FAR different than your average ZAT girls 12 or 14.

    My point was that you guys can't compare a national level girls 12 to a 4.0 rec hack. It isn't a valid comparison. Compare the 4.0 rec hack to a ZAT girls 12 or 14. Much better comparison.
     
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    Out of curiosity have you posted and video of your match play?
     
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