To 4.5 Guys: "Get Out And Stay Out!!"

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Cindysphinx, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

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    Well . . . Better = more competitive. Closer scores. The opposite of domination.

    That's it? That's all ya got?

    You say that conventional doubles strategy won't work, but you don't say what *will* work. You know why?

    'Cause pretty much nothing will work. If my 4.0 partner and I had the mad tennis skillz to hang with a good 4.5 guy, we wouldn't be 4.0s. So the match becomes one player (you) dominating the court until we give your partner something she can put away.

    Look. The rules allow you to play 8.0, so OK. But let's not pretend that it is a fair fight when you come across me and your average 4.0 guy and the problem is simply that we don't use the right strategy.
     
  2. OrangePower

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    What I think:

    ave 4.5 M + ave 3.5 F > ave 4.0 M + ave 4.0 F
    top 4.0 M + top 4.0 F > ave 4.5 M + ave 3.5 F
    top 4.5 M + top 3.5 F > top 4.0 M + top 4.0 F
     
  3. Angle Queen

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    I agree, Orange.

    And, from my experience, I see/saw way more of the third combination as overwhelmingly successful combos...at least around here (mostly because the 8.0 captains felt that to have a "3.5W" on the roster, they needed a "top" 4.5M to carry her...and realistically, only the "top" 3.5W would even consider playing 8.0).

    Funny, though, how you had to add the "M" and "F" (shhhh, USTA uses "W") to create those equations. Kinda sums up what this whole thread has evolved to. Good job.
     
  4. SwankPeRFection

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    While I agree with this, where do you think a Top 4.5W + Top 3.5M would stack up to? We had a couple like that in our area and they tended to win pretty well at 8.0M.
     
  5. travlerajm

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    Touche. See my contrite post above.
     
  6. OrangePower

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    Hmm I think a top 4.5 W and top 3.5 M might be the best combination... if the 3.5 M is close to a 4.0 then there is really no weakness for the other team to exploit.

    But then again I think this combination is going to be very rare. Not that many top 4.5 women around and I would think they are more likely to be playing 9.0.
     
  7. SB

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    Way back when there was no rule at all about rating discrepancy, I played a 9.0 match in which our opponents were a 5.5 man and a 3.5 woman. IIRC, he was also the top-ranked player in his nat'l age group at the time. It was pretty hilarious.

    We managed to win a set by breaking his serve the first time ... just hit every ball back to his partner, who flubbed it. But I think that was the last time he let us touch his serve all day. :D

    We played pretty well, all things considered, but the most difficult thing is that you have to think way too much, because trying to hit every single ball (and I do mean EVERY SINGLE ball) to one person makes you hit some really unnatural shots, shots you would never ever hit in a regular match. There is no flow, no letting go and just playing. By the third set, we were kind of a mess.

    But I'd never played a real match against an opponent as good as he was, so it was fun in that way.
     
  8. Texas Scrambler

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    Mixed Doubles Emotion, Always a Mystery. I play a lot of mixed doubles both for recreation and in club competitions. I find the recreation mixed dubs interesting that the ladies usually do the recruiting and they like to recruit high on the talent level. This tends to make the game even more polarized with two players much better on the court. I hear the ladies say they like to play with the power of men but their consistency drops off rapidly. That can't be fun is it?

    I know when I get thoroughly outplayed I learn from the experience but never really feel like I have an answer for the talent and hence nothing to work on.

    Wouldn't recreational mixed be much better with 3.5 dudes and 4.0 ladies? It never seems to be that way though.

    The competition adds another level of emotion and i agree the 4.5 M + 3.5 W are likely to do well. You need power to neutralize a 4.5 M otherwise they cover the court too well. If faced with the situation, mix it up lots with lobs over the dude and shots to the 3.5. All is fair the talent level is different.

    My lady partners get lots of attention and I tell them to get every shot they can and I will cover the rest. If I see them not being aggressive, I will let the ball go by and say your shot. You gotta take it.

    BTW, you have to mix it up. When I see every ball going to my partner, makes it super easy to poach. You know where the ball is going.

    No help to your problem but on the flip side, must feel pretty good when you beat one of the 4.5 M in mixed dubs. It happens.
     
  9. Costagirl

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    So your logic makes perfect sense. But do you feel you are getting a good and fun match playing 4.0 when in essence your a stones throw from 4.5? You don't have much time, so you certainly want to make it outstanding when you get out there. How ya doing with that?
     
  10. MeHere2PlayTennis

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    I personally think 2 top 4.0s will beat any type of 4.5/3.5, as long as the 3.5 and 4.5 are really just high for their level not a self rate/ high .5 higher.

    It would be interesting to know across various sections if any of the winning teams from their states play all 4.5/3.5 a combination or all 4.0s
     
  11. MeHere2PlayTennis

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    Texas it used to be 6.5, 7.5, 8.5 etc.... a long time ago, but it changed. I agree that the men's rating are about a step higher than the ladies.
     
  12. damazing

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    Alright, you got me curious so I looked at the levels of the various teams that played at 8.0 mixed nationals for 2012. These are the semifinal and final matches. The current 2013 ratings are what I've listed which shows that most of the players were ready to be bumped and in some cases may have gotten bumped two levels:

    Team (W/L) [Male current level/Female current level]

    SoCal ----- Middle States
    4.5/4.0 (L) ------ 4.5/4.5
    4.5/4.5 (W) ------ 4.5/4.0
    4.5/4.5 (W) ------ 5.0/3.5

    SoCal ------ Southern
    4.5/4.5 (W) ------ 4.5/4.0
    4.5/4.5 (W) ------ 4.0/5.0
    4.5/4.0 (L) ------ 4.5/4.0

    Southwest ------ Middle States
    4.0/4.0 (L) ------ 4.5/3.5
    4.0/5.0 (W) ------ 5.0/3.5
    4.0/4.5 (L) ------ 4.5/3.5

    Only two matches where the stronger male team lost, but in the first one I listed he played with a 3.5 partner and the other team had basically a 9.0 team. In the other one they also played against a basically 9.0 team with the woman being 5.0.
     
  13. goober

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    I went through the data one year for 8.0 mixed in my district.

    4.5M/3.5F won 80% of the time against 4.0M/4.0F

    The losses were all high 4.0M/high 4.0F against weak/average 4.5M and 3.5F. High level 4.5M never loss against a 4.0/4.0 team.
     

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